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QueenZipp - 2013-01-12 4:15 PM

I managed to run 11.4 miles in 2:01 today, I may not be in position to chase down my sub 2 half marathon goal......but I am in position to be able to finish respectably.


"Respectably" I never finish respectably - I prefer to whoop and holler and act like a jackal when I finish. Oh, wait - you didn't say "respectfully."

See you in February!


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Fred D - 2013-01-12 6:55 AM
Experior - 2013-01-11 11:22 PM Dag nabbit. Love it! My aunts (with whom I grew up) used to say that all the time. That and 'Dad Gommit'.

Racing single sport stuff can be a really great way to make progress in tri. It gives you a great perspective on what is possible.

I managed one of my favorite workouts today (dictated by the fact that I had only 25 minutes including the shower afterwards). I call it 'broken 5K'. Run 1 mile hard, then 6x1/4 mile hard, then 1/2 mile moderately hard, then .1 easy. Rest about 30s after each interval. I mainly use it to fantasize about how fast someday I could run a 5K. Those rests have a huge impact. Injury potential is quite high however....
Very cool. Michael I think we should try to come up with some 30' total type swim and bike workouts for the time compressed out there. I'm going to think about that one.

Before I hit the "I cannot think about anything except continuing" part of my workout today, I thought a bit about this.  Of course, especially on the run, a lot of times if you have 30 minutes the best thing is just to run easy for 30 minutes.

Bike and swim are a bit different, and I think one could use 30 minutes pretty effectively.  IME (others may of course have a different experience), warm-up is overrated in workouts (not in races!), so I'd keep that part of it very short 3-5 minutes.  Then I'd tend to do intensity on both the bike and the run.  The trick, I think, is to mix it up and make it interesting.  (That's what I like about the broken 5K workout.)

For swim, I'd want to minimize the time spent at the wall.  An obvious but not terribly interesting thing to do would be

WU: 200, 50 kick

MS: 10x100 on 5-10s rest (adjust number to suit available time and speed)

CD: Take a shower.

For a more interesting workout, I'd consider something like a ladder and I'd let the first 2 rungs of the ladder be my warm-up.  The goal would be to maintain pace throughout the main workout.  Exactly what ladder one could do would depend again on available time and speed, but something like this would work for me, for 30 minutes:  50-100-200-400-400-200-100-50 with about 10-15s between intervals.

There's a swim workout that I actually love doing, but it takes longer than 30 minutes.  But here's a shorter version of it that would fit in 30 minutes if the send-off was every 60 seconds.

12x50 every 4th HARD

9x50 every third HARD

6x50 every other HARD

3x50 all hard!

This (and its longer cousin, which goes 16,12,8,4) is a tough one.

Oops, gotta go.  Maybe I'll share some bike ideas later.

2013-01-12 4:52 PM
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norcal_SAHD - 2013-01-12 1:51 PM
drfoodlove - 2013-01-12 8:43 AM Things I need to work on...

1.) Figuring out how to efficiently shift to use leg power-I gave up after about 30 min and rode out the last hour in first, which I know wasn't good because I couldn't get any traction on the downhills, so I just had to coast untill my pedals bit again...losing inertia.

Not quite sure what you mean here.  Are you saying you aren't able to shift gears?  Sounds like you were stuck in a really low gear, is that right?  If so, what kind of bike and what type of shifters does it have, I'm sure we could help out with the "how to's" if you like.

No, shifters weren't stuck...just my brain. I know, conceptually, how to shift and what I need to do, I'm just not very comfortable on a bike yet. With the exception of a short one mile ride while setting up my bike, before today I haven't been on a bike since I was about 10. I just gave up on trying to figure out shifting today to focus on staying upright and moving forward (albeit slowly).

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Experior - 2013-01-12 9:41 PM

Fred D - 2013-01-12 6:55 AM
Experior - 2013-01-11 11:22 PM Dag nabbit. Love it! My aunts (with whom I grew up) used to say that all the time. That and 'Dad Gommit'.

Racing single sport stuff can be a really great way to make progress in tri. It gives you a great perspective on what is possible.

I managed one of my favorite workouts today (dictated by the fact that I had only 25 minutes including the shower afterwards). I call it 'broken 5K'. Run 1 mile hard, then 6x1/4 mile hard, then 1/2 mile moderately hard, then .1 easy. Rest about 30s after each interval. I mainly use it to fantasize about how fast someday I could run a 5K. Those rests have a huge impact. Injury potential is quite high however....
Very cool. Michael I think we should try to come up with some 30' total type swim and bike workouts for the time compressed out there. I'm going to think about that one.

Before I hit the "I cannot think about anything except continuing" part of my workout today, I thought a bit about this.  Of course, especially on the run, a lot of times if you have 30 minutes the best thing is just to run easy for 30 minutes.

Bike and swim are a bit different, and I think one could use 30 minutes pretty effectively.  IME (others may of course have a different experience), warm-up is overrated in workouts (not in races!), so I'd keep that part of it very short 3-5 minutes.  Then I'd tend to do intensity on both the bike and the run.  The trick, I think, is to mix it up and make it interesting.  (That's what I like about the broken 5K workout.)

For swim, I'd want to minimize the time spent at the wall.  An obvious but not terribly interesting thing to do would be

WU: 200, 50 kick

MS: 10x100 on 5-10s rest (adjust number to suit available time and speed)

CD: Take a shower.

For a more interesting workout, I'd consider something like a ladder and I'd let the first 2 rungs of the ladder be my warm-up.  The goal would be to maintain pace throughout the main workout.  Exactly what ladder one could do would depend again on available time and speed, but something like this would work for me, for 30 minutes:  50-100-200-400-400-200-100-50 with about 10-15s between intervals.

There's a swim workout that I actually love doing, but it takes longer than 30 minutes.  But here's a shorter version of it that would fit in 30 minutes if the send-off was every 60 seconds.

12x50 every 4th HARD

9x50 every third HARD

6x50 every other HARD

3x50 all hard!

This (and its longer cousin, which goes 16,12,8,4) is a tough one.

Oops, gotta go.  Maybe I'll share some bike ideas later.

Depending on individual pace it may take a little over 30 minutes, but I really like the very simple ladder of 1 length, 2 lengths, 3 lengths etc. If you take it up to 11 lengths it's a mile without really noticing.  You don't have to do it fast, but it's a nice endurance set.  I usually do 10s rest intervals.

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Got in a really nice 3 miler today.  Beautiful sunny 37*F.  Really enjoyed it. 

And THANK YOU to all in this group, because without the accountability and encouragement of being in this mentor group, I would have blown off my run today.

2013-01-12 7:18 PM
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Ann-Marie,

I took your quote for my signature if that is okay with you!   I sure need the reminder! Smile



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Fred D - 2013-01-12 12:11 PM

Anyone else getting out there training?

I didn't get outside, but I did do 80 minutes inside on the bike tonight.

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deehtz - 2013-01-12 7:18 PM

Ann-Marie,

I took your quote for my signature if that is okay with you!   I sure need the reminder! Smile

Sweet!
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This morning I ran an easy 3 mile recovery run and followed it by an hour on the trainer. Hopefully, next Sunday we won't have the morning fog we've been having and I can actually ride outside. This is the perfect time of year for it down here, so I hate to be stuck on the trainer.


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Last night's swim session was interesting.  I usually swim in lane 2 (of 4), but I sit somewhere just between there and lane 1 (the fish).  Last night, because of relative numbers in the various lanes I got bumped with another guy into lane 1.  It was a real eye opener.  They basically do the same set as lane 2, but just more times with less recovery in between.  The two of us were hanging on the back making the most of the draft to try to keep up.  It was a fun session, but very challenging.

Today was an easy (and very slow) 5 mile run.  I can feel the fatigue building in my legs, so I'm trying not to overdo it.  I've also been doing some pilates, which I'm finding quite energising.

I have a question for the group about strength training.  I really want to add some effective strength training in, but I struggle knowing what's the best thing to do.  I'm not a member of a gym because I do most of my training outside.  The council recently closed most of the gyms in our town, and so the only options left are really expensive with minimum 12 month contracts etc.  What I'm looking for is something I can do at home.  I don't mind buying some equipment if needed.  Does anyone have any suggestions of what is the best thing to be doing?

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Rachel, 
I would start with body weight exercises.  You can do push ups, squats, lunges, leg raises, core work and such just on body weight.  Upper body triceps/ biceps can even do some body weight stuff like a triceps dip off a chair.    If you want to buy hand weights, buy something that you can adjust and increase weights.  However, you could start with soup  cans and progress to milk jugs and gradually increase the amount of water in the jug.  There are a lot of good online body weight workouts, I can try and get a couple to post. A good DVD to demonstrate some moves could be worthwhile.  You really don't need a huge amount of "stuff" or space for this! 
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I went back to Boot Camp today. Definitely a fun class and worth keeping in my calendar.  Did a little recovery swim cause I was gassed (lack of nutrition since breakfast was a factor)  It's a gorgeous day, but I doubt that I will want to go outside on the bike cause I just don't have it in me.....will do stuff around the house then hit the trainer later.
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Fred D - 2013-01-13 7:38 AM I have a really fun thing happening this am.... My youngest daughter has swim practice at 10 and my oldest does to because the team is at an away meet that we decided not to do. As a a result I'm going to swim with Megan for the hour. I bet she whips me on some stuff. She's only 10 btw. Anyone get to train with their kids?

How'd the swim go?

Sometimes my kids bike along while I run.  Sometimes I take them to the pool, but they aren't at all serious.  And I do run with them, but they're in the 9-11 minute mile territory, so not really hard training for me, but probably it does me some good.

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Got in a ride outside with hubby on Saturday, then a run yesterday with some unexpected speedwork...

I went out for a run in the gorgeousness and went longer than I was planning because it was so nice. Wrapped it up around 5 miles and then was taking a nice little walk back home. I looked down at my watch and realized that I needed to take my eldest to soccer practice in a few minutes, so I sprinted the last 1/2 mile home. Holey crap. (But we did make it to practice just fine.)

Unfortunately, in my haste, I happened to grab a bad gatorade (G2) - yes, those can go bad. I think it was enough to turn me off G2 FOREVER. ('ll spare you the details of bad gatorade.)

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QueenZipp - 2013-01-13 2:23 PM Rachel, 
I would start with body weight exercises.  You can do push ups, squats, lunges, leg raises, core work and such just on body weight.  Upper body triceps/ biceps can even do some body weight stuff like a triceps dip off a chair.    If you want to buy hand weights, buy something that you can adjust and increase weights.  However, you could start with soup  cans and progress to milk jugs and gradually increase the amount of water in the jug.  There are a lot of good online body weight workouts, I can try and get a couple to post. A good DVD to demonstrate some moves could be worthwhile.  You really don't need a huge amount of "stuff" or space for this! 

Rachel,

I second this.  Body weight resistance for most beginning strength training is a great place to start.  Focus on movements that use multiple muscle groups as Judi suggested.  If you're interested in equipment, I think several of us use a TRX suspension trainer.  If you have the space, its a great tool.

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Had a nice easy recovery run today.  Still not sure if I like the Pure Connects that much, they are okay for shorter runs but Iwon't use them for a run over 3-4 miles.  Think there needs to be some core work tonight .....and yoga.
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Welcome back to classes (for all those who started back today--like me)!

It is COLD here (9F) and we had some sleet last night, so workouts were indoors only today.  I got in 48 minutes on the stationary and 24 in the pool right afterwards.  My legs were dead in the water.  Back to teaching tomorrow, so back to early am workouts--I can't wait!



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Pool is officially open here, unfortunately I had some registration issues that I didn't know about so I couldn't swim today.  Going to try wednesday, should have it all in order by then.  I'm nervous to get back in the pool!  Last time I so much as put a toe in the water was at my last race in September.
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Short early TM run for me and then work travel.  I got my first global project and am pretty psyched about it.  Carry on.
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