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2015-06-02 1:18 PM
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Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 

We have a lot of tapering athletes among us this next little while.

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2015-06-02 1:50 PM
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Originally posted by popsracer

Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 

We have a lot of tapering athletes among us this next little while.

BEWARE

That's great!!  There'll be some Mountain Tapers in July (me) and August (Salty, Erin, TJ, and J) and some Lowlanders in a variety of places. Yanti's her own special breed. 

2015-06-02 1:56 PM
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2015-06-02 2:08 PM
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Originally posted by 4agoodlife Where's the Manateapir?

(a) Aren't they related somehow?

(b) I started thinking of what that would look like, switched from tapir to teepee, thought of a manatee in a teepee, then thought Manateepee.  Oh dear.  I think I'd better go to lunch.

2015-06-02 2:24 PM
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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by 4agoodlife

To update on Mak:

-whispered all day yesterday...on her own volition

-stayed relatively inactive...not on her own volition

-coughing fits have subsided, breathing fairly normal, voice almost back

-I'm supposed to take her to the urgent care to show the PA she survived. J said he specifically asked we bring her to say hi...guess he was pretty worried too.

-And if a pic says 1000 words...

 

It looks like she so wants to jump in.  So glad she is on the mend.

Sure does!  Lightens my heart to see this pic - thanks!

Matt

Awww, she's being so good!!  Hope she continues her quick recovery.

She really, really wanted to get in. I figured the pjs would deter her, but...

I walked across the yard to empty the doggy pool, and when I turned around she was trying to get back in...au natural.   The girl cracks me up.




Erin, I just spit iced tea all over my computer! Tell Mak thanks as I needed that!

Darren, just to make you feel better, Disney changed their system so you would still have to wait in the line. However, I do think Fin deserves about 10 Disney trips for everything he's gone through and will be going through. Give him hugs from all of us!
2015-06-02 2:40 PM
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Erin, I'm glad to see more Mak feeling better photos!  I hope that she is continuing to improve.

Darren, I'm sorry to hear about Fin.  I'm glad that you and Hannah are on top of it.  He's lucky that you have is back.  (P.S. It's not too late to schedule another trip to Disney, just saying!)

I am keeping y'all in my thoughts and prayers, as much for Moms and Dads as for the kids.



2015-06-02 2:41 PM
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Originally posted by popsracer

Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 




I'm not Sean and I don't pretend to play him on TV, but I can tell you what my weekend before a 70.3 usually looks like. Last year the week before the Boulder 70.3 I did the following:
Saturday I did a 2 hour ride race prep: 15 min easy/30 min mod/30 med/30 MAD/15 minute spin in the morning. That evening I did small builders on the trainer: 15 min easy/ 15(1 min hard HR 150+/1 min harder HR 155+/30 seconds all out/2 min easy spin) 15 min cool down

Sunday was: 30/30/30 on the bike again for 2 hours total followed by a 20 min easy OTB run.

Monday: 4500 meter swim followed by a 20 min easy run.

For the Harvest Moon 70.3 in September it was a little crazier and I'm not sure you want to know what I did. In fact, I'm not sure I want to look back at it again because at the time I thought it was insane, but it worked really well for me.

Not sure what I get to do this weekend as my coach is playing each day by ear for me right now. I'm having trouble with The Limb so we're playing it safe right now.
2015-06-02 2:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?)
Originally posted by popsracer

Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 




No I did not, and we actually had a pretty good conversation here in the thread about the plan being a little too aggressive at the end.

I ended up doing a straight 1000 yard open water swim followed by 1.5 hr on the bike on Saturday. Then Sunday I ran 60 min (~6.3 mi), with 3x8' @ HIM pace. I think that run was actually a little too much, I was sore for a couple of days after it. In general the plan didn't have nearly enough running the last 1-1.5 months IMO, but at this point it's best to just not overdo it.
2015-06-02 3:29 PM
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Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?)

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Originally posted by popsracer

Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 

I'm not Sean and I don't pretend to play him on TV, but I can tell you what my weekend before a 70.3 usually looks like. Last year the week before the Boulder 70.3 I did the following: Saturday I did a 2 hour ride race prep: 15 min easy/30 min mod/30 med/30 MAD/15 minute spin in the morning. That evening I did small builders on the trainer: 15 min easy/ 15(1 min hard HR 150+/1 min harder HR 155+/30 seconds all out/2 min easy spin) 15 min cool down Sunday was: 30/30/30 on the bike again for 2 hours total followed by a 20 min easy OTB run. Monday: 4500 meter swim followed by a 20 min easy run. For the Harvest Moon 70.3 in September it was a little crazier and I'm not sure you want to know what I did. In fact, I'm not sure I want to look back at it again because at the time I thought it was insane, but it worked really well for me. Not sure what I get to do this weekend as my coach is playing each day by ear for me right now. I'm having trouble with The Limb so we're playing it safe right now.

That sounds like a lot.  You must have been putting in a lot of work building up to that point.

This last weekend I did race prep ride of a little over 30 miles (wanted to do 40 but was time limited).  Same time of day as race, similar terrain, same nutrition/hydration.  Was a bit faster than race pace but it actually felt pretty easy and I didn't have my disc or aero helmet on.  Next day did the same with an 11 mile run and again it felt pretty easy.  Just had a 2,000 yard swim and it felt great.  Was considerably faster than target race pace.  Maybe I'll repeat next weekend and extend the bike out a little, put on the disc, and throw a quick brick run on the end and then cut the long run back a mile or two.

2015-06-02 3:37 PM
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Originally posted by popsracer

Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 

No I did not, and we actually had a pretty good conversation here in the thread about the plan being a little too aggressive at the end. I ended up doing a straight 1000 yard open water swim followed by 1.5 hr on the bike on Saturday. Then Sunday I ran 60 min (~6.3 mi), with 3x8' @ HIM pace. I think that run was actually a little too much, I was sore for a couple of days after it. In general the plan didn't have nearly enough running the last 1-1.5 months IMO, but at this point it's best to just not overdo it.

Gosh, I don't remember the conversation but then again I don't remember what I had for dinner last night.

Yeah, the plan has quite a few flaws.  I like parts of it and modify the rest.  I think I got the extra run miles in and feel good there.  I wasn't able to keep up with the mileage on the bike though because it just takes more time than I've had.  I tried to make up for it with intensity on the trainer but haven't gotten in the long rides I should have.  I have altered my race expectations on the bike accordingly and will race it down a notch (that is the plan anyway).  I am hoping I have half the success you had in your race.  You really killed it.

2015-06-02 3:46 PM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by popsracer

Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 

We have a lot of tapering athletes among us this next little while.

BEWARE

I should like to be the Malayan one.

Glad to hear Mak is feeling better.  

Darren, sorry to hear about your wee Fin.  Hope things are not too tough on you all--hang in there.



2015-06-02 3:54 PM
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Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 

No I did not, and we actually had a pretty good conversation here in the thread about the plan being a little too aggressive at the end. I ended up doing a straight 1000 yard open water swim followed by 1.5 hr on the bike on Saturday. Then Sunday I ran 60 min (~6.3 mi), with 3x8' @ HIM pace. I think that run was actually a little too much, I was sore for a couple of days after it. In general the plan didn't have nearly enough running the last 1-1.5 months IMO, but at this point it's best to just not overdo it.

Gosh, I don't remember the conversation but then again I don't remember what I had for dinner last night.

Yeah, the plan has quite a few flaws.  I like parts of it and modify the rest.  I think I got the extra run miles in and feel good there.  I wasn't able to keep up with the mileage on the bike though because it just takes more time than I've had.  I tried to make up for it with intensity on the trainer but haven't gotten in the long rides I should have.  I have altered my race expectations on the bike accordingly and will race it down a notch (that is the plan anyway).  I am hoping I have half the success you had in your race.  You really killed it.




Thank you! I'm sure you are going to kill it as well!

The conversation was more focused around the intensity that the plan calls for on that Sunday run.

You've got a great base of running that I didn't have that I think really hurt me with the plan not having much at the end. Glad you have been able to get some extra running in too. Intensity will definitely help in lack of duration on the bike imo, you're in great shape. Can't wait to hear how it goes, and don't go too crazy this week! Be sure and give us a bib#
2015-06-02 4:33 PM
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Originally posted by jmkizer

Originally posted by popsracer

Hey Sean, before your HIM did you follow along with the plan and do the three hour ride, 45 minute swim, and 90 minute run over the weekend before your race?  Seems like a pretty big effort for 6-7 days out from the event.

Did you modify your taper at all per the plan?  Whatever you did seemd to work quite well.  Anything you would have done differently from the plan that last week?

Thanks, I'm just entering the crazy zone. 

We have a lot of tapering athletes among us this next little while.

BEWARE

Is it bad that it took me a few cups of coffee to get this one?  Maybe I can still claim jet lag...

2015-06-02 4:45 PM
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Originally posted by 4agoodlife Where's the Manateapir?

Maybe Manatees don't taper.  Maybe we're tippers. (Credit to DH for finding this.)

ETA: Or if there's alcoholic consumption during Taper (tapir?) Week, we could be tipsy, tapering Manatapirs.



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Originally posted by laffinrock

Originally posted by 4agoodlife Where's the Manateapir?

Maybe Manatees don't taper.  Maybe we're tippers. (Credit to DH for finding this.)

My line of thought went: manatees=sea cows->cow tipping=manatee tipping

Guess I wasn't too far off. Those sea cows sure acted surprised. lol



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2015-06-02 7:49 PM
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Salty your fancy pack IG post reminded me of questioning wanted to throw out here. On my weekend trail runs I've been wearing my camelbak backpack. I have it as snug as I can get it but it bounces when I run. DH mentioned that it could be caused by the weight of having my pistola in there. I don't really want to wear an additional pack or holster for that. I need to test it without that in there to see if that's the problem. DH mentioned a bungee around it and me. In not sure how that would help in addition to the belts that are on the pack. Thoughts?


2015-06-02 8:07 PM
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Hmmmm. Really any pack will bounce a little. I'd suggest trying some different things but yeah, likely the pack wasn't designed for much more weight than the water. in the end, like most things, you probably just need to experiment a little and see what works for you. There are a lot of trail running pack reviews out there that can serve as a place to start.
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I should say that for me, if I am doing something that requires enough water I can't hand carry it, I wear a proper backpack so I can bring the survival essentials. I don't have huge issues with bouncing and for the st. Helens run I probably had 15 lb in there. This is also the pack I use for run commuting. Osprey talon 22. Oh and try the bungee, ya never know! Oh aldo, try to pack the weight close to your body near the center of pack. NOT on the bottom.

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Originally posted by rrrunner Salty your fancy pack IG post reminded me of questioning wanted to throw out here. On my weekend trail runs I've been wearing my camelbak backpack. I have it as snug as I can get it but it bounces when I run. DH mentioned that it could be caused by the weight of having my pistola in there. I don't really want to wear an additional pack or holster for that. I need to test it without that in there to see if that's the problem. DH mentioned a bungee around it and me. In not sure how that would help in addition to the belts that are on the pack. Thoughts?

Ugh...bouncing water pack was killing me last week! I have got to somehow adjust mine better.

Do you carry in the back now? Is there a way to "holster" on front strap comfortably so not all weight in pouch area? More balanced maybe if that's the issue.

2015-06-02 8:15 PM
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Ps day 3 of no running, been on the couch all day. I'd say I am behaving myself! Must shake this cold!
2015-06-02 8:16 PM
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Originally posted by 4agoodlife

Originally posted by rrrunner Salty your fancy pack IG post reminded me of questioning wanted to throw out here. On my weekend trail runs I've been wearing my camelbak backpack. I have it as snug as I can get it but it bounces when I run. DH mentioned that it could be caused by the weight of having my pistola in there. I don't really want to wear an additional pack or holster for that. I need to test it without that in there to see if that's the problem. DH mentioned a bungee around it and me. In not sure how that would help in addition to the belts that are on the pack. Thoughts?

Ugh...bouncing water pack was killing me last week! I have got to somehow adjust mine better.

Do you carry in the back now? Is there a way to "holster" on front strap comfortably so not all weight in pouch area? More balanced maybe if that's the issue.

That could be intetesring...some sort of a holster on the shoulder strap. Makes it convenient to access too, if need be.


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Originally posted by AsalzwedI should say that for me, if I am doing something that requires enough water I can't hand carry it, I wear a proper backpack so I can bring the survival essentials. I don't have huge issues with bouncing and for the st. Helens run I probably had 15 lb in there. This is also the pack I use for run commuting. Osprey talon 22. Oh and try the bungee, ya never know! Oh aldo, try to pack the weight close to your body near the center of pack. NOT on the bottom.
Hmmmm I see that REI carries it too. They have a great return policy
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Originally posted by rrrunner Salty your fancy pack IG post reminded me of questioning wanted to throw out here. On my weekend trail runs I've been wearing my camelbak backpack. I have it as snug as I can get it but it bounces when I run. DH mentioned that it could be caused by the weight of having my pistola in there. I don't really want to wear an additional pack or holster for that. I need to test it without that in there to see if that's the problem. DH mentioned a bungee around it and me. In not sure how that would help in addition to the belts that are on the pack. Thoughts?

Depends a bit on the pistol.  A Desert Eagle isn't going in much less than a frame pack, but a small 9mm (Shield or such) opens some options.

I know some folks who run with a belly band (there are several models out there, but that search will get you going) or if it's a very small weapon a Stowaway (not sure if that one would be good for anything more than a short run, though).  Also know several who run with a small weapon in a fanny/belly pack (that one seems like it would also bounce, but doesn't seem to bother some people).

The belly band would put the pistol closer to hand if needed (unless your weekend runs are overnight ones and you just want something in camp, then just a more secure packing method might suit, but it didn't sound like that from the question), but still concealed and not bouncy during a run. 

Agree the pack strap idea is interesting.  Would need to be a pretty secure strap, I'd think, unless it's a mini-pistol...

Is it primarily for two or four legged critter protection (no pressure to answer - just curious)?

Matt

2015-06-02 9:21 PM
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Originally posted by Jet Black Wow, some awesome pics Adrienne and Erin! Sorry you're sick though Adrienne and sorry about the scare with your baby Erin! Just registered for my first masters swim meet. Going to do 50 free, 50 fly, 50 breast, 100 free & 100 breast. Should be fun.

Awesome!  Really curious to hear how it goes.  Seems like a really cool addition to the racing menu (at least if you're a swimmer - I admit that I'd be embarrassed doing my big, sloppy, slow, open turns at something like that!!). 

When's the meet?  Doing any specific training for it?

Oh, and I was actually wondering the same thing as your comment on the fur-aero penalty.  I've actually asked that in the past and been poo-pooed as a crackpot (true enough, but perhaps for other reasons).  All I know is that Andy Potts - who didn't shave his legs for years as he didn't believe in any advantage on the bike - was wearing one of those tops (M2 maybe) on the bike to cover his arms/shoulders.

If covering them with some slick fabric works, I'd have to think that taping a bunch of brillo pads on one's shoulders before a ride would have the opposite effect...   

Anyone have any thoughts on that (seriously - the top vs. no top vs. fur for aero)?  I imagine it's slight, as are all of these, but I wonder if it's of a similar magnitude to the gains of one of those bike tops?

Matt

2015-06-02 9:39 PM
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Originally posted by mcmanusclan5

Originally posted by Jet Black Wow, some awesome pics Adrienne and Erin! Sorry you're sick though Adrienne and sorry about the scare with your baby Erin! Just registered for my first masters swim meet. Going to do 50 free, 50 fly, 50 breast, 100 free & 100 breast. Should be fun.

Awesome!  Really curious to hear how it goes.  Seems like a really cool addition to the racing menu (at least if you're a swimmer - I admit that I'd be embarrassed doing my big, sloppy, slow, open turns at something like that!!). 

When's the meet?  Doing any specific training for it?

Oh, and I was actually wondering the same thing as your comment on the fur-aero penalty.  I've actually asked that in the past and been poo-pooed as a crackpot (true enough, but perhaps for other reasons).  All I know is that Andy Potts - who didn't shave his legs for years as he didn't believe in any advantage on the bike - was wearing one of those tops (M2 maybe) on the bike to cover his arms/shoulders.

If covering them with some slick fabric works, I'd have to think that taping a bunch of brillo pads on one's shoulders before a ride would have the opposite effect...   

Anyone have any thoughts on that (seriously - the top vs. no top vs. fur for aero)?  I imagine it's slight, as are all of these, but I wonder if it's of a similar magnitude to the gains of one of those bike tops?

Matt

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