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2010-06-21 3:23 PM
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Monty - 2010-06-21 4:15 PM Not to dispute your buddy, but weather.com said the actual high in LP yesterday was 76. Tomorrow it is 79 then nothing over 76 in the next 10 days. Ok...I see Saturday was 84, but that looks like an anomoly to the rest of the month.


I can verify that it was a bit toasty on the course Friday and Saturday.  Was it 80 or not, maybe...but I was cooling myself off a lot with water and I am use to 90+ heat.  The big thing is just be ready for conditions and have a plan adjustment ready ahead of time.

In regards to the taper.  Bryan said it best and I want to repeat it:  You reduce the Volume but you KEEP the intensity.  That is huge!  Your workouts will feel horrible and you will put down some of the slowest times you have all year.  Do NOT test your fitness...this will only hurt you.

Trust the work you've done, trust the taper and most of all...Trust yourself!


2010-06-21 3:40 PM
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Monty - 2010-06-21 4:15 PM Not to dispute your buddy, but weather.com said the actual high in LP yesterday was 76. Tomorrow it is 79 then nothing over 76 in the next 10 days. Ok...I see Saturday was 84, but that looks like an anomoly to the rest of the month.


and what the temperature says it is and what it actually is are two different things

http://www.accuracyproject.org/heatindexchart.html


76 could be 85.....or, I mean it could feel like 85....and what it feels like is far more important than what it actually is, because our bodies could give a $hit what weather.com says.

just sayin'......

 

 

2010-06-21 3:57 PM
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Marvarnett - 2010-06-21 4:23 PM
Monty - 2010-06-21 4:15 PM Not to dispute your buddy, but weather.com said the actual high in LP yesterday was 76. Tomorrow it is 79 then nothing over 76 in the next 10 days. Ok...I see Saturday was 84, but that looks like an anomoly to the rest of the month.


I can verify that it was a bit toasty on the course Friday and Saturday.  Was it 80 or not, maybe...but I was cooling myself off a lot with water and I am use to 90+ heat.  The big thing is just be ready for conditions and have a plan adjustment ready ahead of time.

In regards to the taper.  Bryan said it best and I want to repeat it:  You reduce the Volume but you KEEP the intensity.  That is huge!  Your workouts will feel horrible and you will put down some of the slowest times you have all year.  Do NOT test your fitness...this will only hurt you.

Trust the work you've done, trust the taper and most of all...Trust yourself!

I can't tell you how many times I've read:  "You will feel horrible" ... and ... "Don't test your fitness".   I'm just going to take it as Gospel and have faith and do as I'm told.

Note to self:  Keep intensity; we will feel horrible; and dammit don't test fitness!! 

WHAT DO THEY MEAN BY DON'T TEST FITNESS??  

2010-06-21 4:09 PM
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This quote keeps running through my head:

We do not rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training.

Archilochus, Greek Soldier, Poet, c. 650 BC

 

2010-06-21 5:47 PM
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I rode the course on Saturday with a friend who had a thermometer on her bike.  We were up there with a training group.
It was reading high 90s even after taking into account that she said it reads about 5 degrees higher than actual (so actually the figures she was shouting to me were higher and we were subtracting 5).
I think the "official" temps they take are in the shade and we were definitely not in the shade - especially with the heat radiating off the tarmac/ black top (whatever you americans call it   )!  The locals at the gas station told me they were expecting record temps on Sat.
My coach said it was the hottest she had ridden in up there (and she's trained on and raced that course a total of 51 times).

So, regardless of where you get your numbers from I'm telling you it was darn hot!  Stiflingly so. Normally the speed of cycling is a bit of a cooler but this cooler was warm.

Now on Sunday when I did my long run up there it was beautiful and cloudy and in 70s I think.  Much more manageable
2010-06-21 6:15 PM
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I rode the course Saturday and it was very hot....Power Bar melting in my cycling jersey hot. That was good though. It simulated one scenario for potential race day suffering while also making me rethink my plan of relying so heavily on chocolate Power Bars. Sunday was a mix of everything: heat, rain, clouds, etc. Again, not a bad reminder to see how volatile the weather can be up there. Oh and the heat gave me a nice opportunity to completely screw up my nutrition. When it is hot I tend not to want to eat and that is just not going to work....

We rode to Ausable on the potential "new" out and back. It is not horrible but felt very much like a net climb on the way back and that is a bit of a bummer because it comes right before you turn onto 86 and those hills. BTW, I now completely agree with those on this site who say that 86 to Haselton is the worst part of the course (followed closely IMO by the climb out of town.) The ride back into LP is tough but felt more tedious than anything else....


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2010-06-21 6:31 PM
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Yes, it was very hot Saturday. I drank almost 4 bottles of water/gatorade for just 1 loop of the course. Pretty hot Friday, too.

Um, I know we've covered this already, but since this was the first time I've ridden the course, I would like to say: the bike course is hard. Amazing, but hard. I can't wait till race day!!

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2010-06-21 7:07 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2010-06-21 3:09 PM

This quote keeps running through my head:

We do not rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training.

Archilochus, Greek Soldier, Poet, c. 650 BC

 



Yep, your race will be EXACTLY what you trained, no more, no less.
2010-06-21 7:12 PM
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Monty - 2010-06-21 4:15 PM Not to dispute your buddy, but weather.com said the actual high in LP yesterday was 76. Tomorrow it is 79 then nothing over 76 in the next 10 days. Ok...I see Saturday was 84, but that looks like an anomoly to the rest of the month.


and what the temperature says it is and what it actually is are two different things

http://www.accuracyproject.org/heatindexchart.html


76 could be 85.....or, I mean it could feel like 85....and what it feels like is far more important than what it actually is, because our bodies could give a $hit what weather.com says.

just sayin'......

 

 



I understand what everyone is saying. It was hot....I beleive you. I just want to pull back a little on the "it's going to be hot so let's train in a full sauna suit and do your long runs in the heat of the midday sun kind of thought process I am hearing a little bit. It is very dangerous to go out and push yourself too hard during unsupported runs and rides in the middle of a 90 degree high humidity day. Not saying you avoid the heat altogether and not get acclimated. Just saying be thoughtful about your training and at this point in the game don't get heat stroke or severe dehydration a month before the race. We've all worked too hard. Just want to throw that out there.
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PennState - 2010-06-21 9:15 PM

in 4 days we hit the 1 month out point


Wow...one month from right now I will be packing the car and we will be driving up in the morning!


2010-06-21 8:36 PM
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PennState - 2010-06-21 6:35 PM

bryancd - 2010-06-21 8:07 PM

Dream Chaser - 2010-06-21 3:09 PM

This quote keeps running through my head:

We do not rise to the level of our expectations. We fall to the level of our training.

Archilochus, Greek Soldier, Poet, c. 650 BC

 



Yep, your race will be EXACTLY what you trained, no more, no less.


Which is why I train so friggin' hard!


It's the only way. I'm the poster child.
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2010-06-22 7:30 AM
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greyguy - 2010-06-21 7:15 PM

I rode the course Saturday ...

We rode to Ausable on the potential "new" out and back.


Is the bridge still out then?
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Monty - 2010-06-21 8:36 PM
PennState - 2010-06-21 9:15 PM in 4 days we hit the 1 month out point
Wow...one month from right now I will be packing the car and we will be driving up in the morning!


Um.. that just freaked me out a little. I am doing well, but am always under-confident with my training.  I'm sure I'll make it, and taper will help, but.. 
2010-06-22 10:11 AM
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Cappy - 2010-06-22 7:30 AM
greyguy - 2010-06-21 7:15 PM I rode the course Saturday ... We rode to Ausable on the potential "new" out and back.
Is the bridge still out then?



yup.  We rode the course Saturday, too...the out and back to Ausable really isnt bad.  Its gently sloping downhill the 5 miles out, and gently sloping uphill the 5 miles back, but not too much work to spin up....great place to get nutrition in.  It wouldnt be a bad alteration to the course if need be!


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PennState - 2010-06-22 12:21 PM OK, 2 solid days of ironman training and here are a few thoughts: 1. I am somewhat less of a fan of the 6 hour ride these days. ust a long time to be on the bike. Needs to be done, but one reason why 2011 will likely be a non-ironman year. 2. Long runs are much easier to bear as they are not much more than 2-2.5 hours for me. 3. Starting to get excited for LP 4. Running in thunderstorms makes your shoes much heavier.


the 6 hour ride is not so bad....its the final 2 that hurt....

j/k...I agree, the 6 hour ride is a grind....but absolutely needed......

what was a wake up call for me during training thus far was the difference between a 3 hour ride and a 4 hour ride.  one would think there isn't much a difference, but going from 3 to 4 was a true test.

than, stepping it up to 6 hours, with a good bit of tempo in there, was/is a battle.  2 more 6 hour rides on the schedule for me....26th and 2nd.

The best part is, a 3 hour today is actually quite easy and I really have to push the effort to make it unpleasent....6 hours, not so much....just ride and it'll start to hurt eventually....Smile

cannot believe the shape I am in right now.....



with regard to getting excited...I'm, just a little bit!.....I cannot even imagine what the week of July 19th will be like.  I should really just take it off, 'cause it's safe to say I won't be getting much done!!

2010-06-22 2:38 PM
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I figured tapering will soon become the main topic of discussion (or maybe already is) hence the below article I wrote before:

Tapering is nothing more than reducing training load enough to allow your body to recover while doing enough to sustain the maximum amount of gained fitness. Every time you train you get fitter but you also can get proportionally more fatigued. Think it like this, every time you train you earn fitness and fatigue points. Usually fatigue points worth more than fitness points in the short term, however fitness points worth more in the long term. This means that while you are proportionally more tired after a session, the recover should be relatively shorter when compared with the adaptation gains (fitness) which will last longer for days/weeks.

The reasoning behind tapering is that you want to keep as much as possible of the fitness that you have work so hard to achieve through months of training, but at the same time you also want to get rid of as much of the accumulated fatigue. When you taper you get rid of that fatigue but you can also start losing some of your hard earned fitness hence while the volume is diminished we still perform some intensity to generate enough load to ‘maintain’ your fitness – this will allow your body to recover through the process.

We seek to taper because our main goal is to perform at our very best on race day. When athletes race with partial or no tapering it just means that while they will strive for the best possible performance on race day; given their fitness-fatigue, the result won't be as good as if they were optimally rested (or tapered).

Most long course athletes in general require a significant training load achieved through months and months of consistent training and because of this, it usually allows them to achieve a few peak performances every season. For that reason it is wise to allocate priorities to races. Taper 100% only for the few you want to achieve peak performance, partially taper to achieve a solid performance on another few less important ones and don’t taper for those with little importance that you want to train through.

Tapering is very personal hence the fitness and training load of each athlete should be considered (plus genes, scheduling, life priorities, etc). Also, tapering varies for ALL 3 sports which means while and athlete might need 2+ weeks of tapering for running, he/she might only need 10 days for cycling and 5 days for swimming as an example. An optimal tapering schedule will consider all this and the profile will look different for every athlete athletes; this in turn will avoid the traditional “I feel like crap through tapering” stage many athletes experience.

In general fitter athletes could taper for a shorter period of time because their bodies tend to adapt and recover faster, however they tend to do more training hence might end up needing more days to recover to offset the fitness – fatigue = performance equation. Less trained athletes usually will require more tapering days because they tend to adapt and recover slower than fit athletes, however they usually tend to do handle less training load hence they might be race ready with lesser tapering days.

The whole arbitrary taper 3 weeks schedule is nothing more than a gross generalization made popular by some coaches/books. It basis has little to do with physiology and more with old misinformation provided by a general survey published many many years ago. This doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, as luck would have it does in many cases; hence many general plans use it. Still, one could argue that those coaches who apply this tapering approach for all their athletes as a "one size fits all" doesn’t really understand basic physiology or how tapering works.

Remember, tapering will vary for every athlete AND sport based on fitness, experience, genes, life priorities (work, family), etc. Through your training pay attention as to how fast or not you recover from hard/long sessions and heavy load weeks. Somewhere along you’ll learn how much tapering you’ll need.

2010-06-22 3:54 PM
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You are the man Jorge.  Was wondering when you were gonna pop in again!

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