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2008-04-29 9:57 AM
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DeannaS - 2008-04-29 6:53 AM

chirunner134 - 2008-04-29 6:42 AM how is it easier to upgrade with campy where most places carry shimano? Campy seems harder to find.

My understanding is that Campy has more "plug and play" options. I'm not in any way, shape, or form a bike mechanic. But, from what I've been told, when you upgrade Campy, you can do pieces parts, where as with Shimano, it's sort of all or nothing. There were some posts that were more articulate about this topic earlier in this thread. 

Deanna is right here.  Generally speaking, with Shimano, you need to replace everything to upgrade from say 105 to Ultegra.  This is not so for Campy.  You only need to upgrade what you are changing.  Let's take the Parma for example.  Say you want to go from the Mirage/Xenon mix to a Centaur upgrade and lets say you want to jump up to 10 speeds vs. the 9 that it came with.  With Shimano, you would have to replace everything, the shifters, bottom bracket, chainrings, Front and Rear Derailer, Chain and Casette.  At the point that you do this, you might as well buy a new bike as the component set for an Ultegra is going to cost you a bunch (I was quoted at $1500 going from Sora 8 Speed to Ultegra 10sp).  If you cvan do the work yourself you can save a great deal. 

Campy is not this way - changing from the Mirage 9sp to Centaur 10sp will cost you just under $250 because you don't need to replace everything.  In the case of the Parma you only need a right shift lever, a new casette and a new chain.  Everything else is interchangeable. 

As a side note - Shimano is taking steps to change this limitation in their system. 

Also - everyone seems to have forgetten about SRAM components.  They are the up and comers, but you pay for them.  The higher priced Trek Madone's for this year integrated SRAM components.



2008-04-29 10:31 AM
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I see what you mean about the upgrades. There are things you can change in shimano but maybe not as easy.

Plus I think it might be easier to buy race wheels that are shimano but I could be wrong.
2008-04-29 10:56 AM
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epicstruggle - 2008-04-29 7:48 AM

Thanks for the info, I really mean it. I was quite lost before, still lost in all the lingo but at least stumbling in the right direction. I think I will go with the varese. For a second I was also considering the Narni but they didnt have my size. Ill double check this morning when I call Dave

As to what I have equipment wise. Not much.... really nothing. I have a cheap, cheap bike helmet, some cheap shorts Ive been using to exercise in, and running shoes. Currently dont have a water bottle (other than aquafina bottles). So what order of things do you suggest getting, something like: pedals, better helmet, bike computer, water bottle, tri-shorts/top? Missing anything?

At what point is there need to upgrade campy equipment/bike? 

Basically all you need for tris are something to swim in, a bike to ride on (and a helmet...mandatory!) and running shoes.  The rest just makes life that little bit easier.

A helmet is a helmet, at least in so far as it protects your head from injury should you crash.  The cheap ones work just as well as the expensive ones in that regard.  When you start looking more at the aeordynamics of it, that's when you start looking more at the helmet.  Til then, the one you have should probably be fine (provided it hasn't been crashed, etc...any time you crash, get hit, replace your helmet).

Do you have bottle cages for your non-water-bottle water bottle?  If not, those are useful for carrying hydration.  Other hydration carriers include aerodrink and behind the saddle holders.  All depends on your comfort level in reaching for your bottles.

Since you need to buy pedals anyway...lol...I would put that at the top of your list.  What type you buy...that'll be up to you.  Start with some cheap platforms (you could probably take the ones off the bike you currently have) and go from there.  As far as speed, clipless would be one great way to give yourself a little boost because it increases the efficiency and efficacy of your pedal stroke.

You can get a relatively inexpensive wired bike computer...that's always fun if you like crunching numbers and competing with yourself (as we triathletes are so apt to do). 

2008-04-29 11:18 AM
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Also - everyone seems to have forgetten about SRAM components. They are the up and comers, but you pay for them. The higher priced Trek Madone's for this year integrated SRAM components.

Here, here! I actually am planning on swapping out my Campagnolo components for (eventually) SRAM Red (or Force, if my bankroll is on the skimpy side -- which it is).

However, being Italian, my ancestors phantasmagorically causes my computer to crash anytime I look up SRAM components on  eBay.

2008-04-29 11:21 AM
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MoquiVA - 2008-04-29 12:18 PM

Also - everyone seems to have forgetten about SRAM components. They are the up and comers, but you pay for them. The higher priced Trek Madone's for this year integrated SRAM components.

Here, here! I actually am planning on swapping out my Campagnolo components for (eventually) SRAM Red (or Force, if my bankroll is on the skimpy side -- which it is).

However, being Italian, my ancestors phantasmagorically causes my computer to crash anytime I look up SRAM components on eBay.

hahaha, that's funny!  i was in a bike shop recently and saying i was doing a frame swap, from a trek onto an italian frame and just moving all my shimano components over.  a guy in the shop said, "you realize it's a sin to put shimano components on an italian bike, right?  also, did you know the pope blesses all italian bike frames?"  

hahaha

2008-04-29 11:26 AM
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I jsut want to find the conversion kit so I can run campy on my shimano trainer wheel.


2008-04-29 3:00 PM
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Just ordered the varese.
2008-04-29 4:05 PM
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Actually most shimano 9 speed will work with all other shimano 9 speed and even 8 and I think some 7. The problem is when you want to go to 10 speed, everything needs to be new.

Campy stuff the 9 and 10 are compatible.

Not to start a fight but most would consider Campy stuff to be better than Shimano. (at a comparable level)

Base level Shimano Sora shifters have a thumb shift like the Campy stuff.

Campy Cassattes have different Hub interface. So Campy stuff needs a Campy compabtible hub, Shimano and Sram use the same hub interface (I think).

2008-04-29 4:05 PM
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Anybody know where I could pick up a spare low/high adjustment screw for a front derailleur, I was putting my bike together, and removed the screws to start from scratch, and all of a sudden, can't find my adjustment screw! I'm thinkin just go to a bike shop and pick one up, or a hardware store?
2008-04-29 7:27 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-04-29 11:26 AM I jsut want to find the conversion kit so I can run campy on my shimano trainer wheel.

The conversion kit is built into the (bar end) shifters. It's called friction mode Wink

2008-04-29 10:54 PM
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First post here with my first tri bike coming way, and hopefully my first tri later this year. Got a 48cm Varese with 650c's after debating with myself for quite a long time. I'm 5'5" with a 28" inseam, and saw that someone my height barely got away with a 51cm, but he had an inch more inseam than me. I'm kind of nervous that it might be too small, but I'll just have to wait and see. My reasoning is that I know that to get that really good aero position most people have really high seat posts in relation to the bars, and I can't accomplish that without a fairly small bike.

Someone said they've run out of 47cm Parmas and they are correct, so I went with a 51 in one of those, and saw that someone 5'6" is doing pretty well on a 51 Fara, and those bikes share the same geometry.

I'm really anxious and nervous about the fit - I really hope these bikes work out for me. Can't wait to see them next week.



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2008-04-29 11:11 PM
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I'm really anxious and nervous about the fit - I really hope these bikes work out for me. Can't wait to see them next week.

Feeling the same way. This is my first tri bike and I just hope I dont regret going this route over a good road bike.

2008-04-29 11:58 PM
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Yeah, even though we can get some idea on how we'll fit the bike, I know that the only way we'll truly know if it fits well is once our bikes come in. Gonna be pretty anxious until then...hope yours works out for you.
2008-04-30 8:23 AM
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camy - 2008-04-29 7:27 PM

chirunner134 - 2008-04-29 11:26 AM I jsut want to find the conversion kit so I can run campy on my shimano trainer wheel.

The conversion kit is built into the (bar end) shifters. It's called friction mode Wink

Camy - I think he is talking about the Shimano hub on his trainer wheel not working with the Campy cassette.  Am I right on this?

2008-04-30 9:22 AM
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jdwright56 - 2008-04-30 8:23 AM

camy - 2008-04-29 7:27 PM

chirunner134 - 2008-04-29 11:26 AM I jsut want to find the conversion kit so I can run campy on my shimano trainer wheel.

The conversion kit is built into the (bar end) shifters. It's called friction mode Wink

Camy - I think he is talking about the Shimano hub on his trainer wheel not working with the Campy cassette.  Am I right on this?



my shimano capatible bike trainer wheel will not take the cassette correctly. I think I found a good replacement though. American Classic has a rear cassatte that will let you run campy on a shimano wheel. I am excited about this. I am only going to run this my trainer so I do not worry if the cassette is poorer quality.
2008-04-30 11:06 AM
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AnthonyF - 2008-04-30 12:58 AM

Yeah, even though we can get some idea on how we'll fit the bike, I know that the only way we'll truly know if it fits well is once our bikes come in. Gonna be pretty anxious until then...hope yours works out for you.


Honestly at these prices I dont think that you will have problems getting rid of these bikes if they don't work.

I bought my wife the last 47cm Parma (sorry guys) and it fits her perfectly. Much better than the 47cm Trek 1.2 that was more than twice as expensive and the Parma has better level of Components.


2008-04-30 11:30 AM
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What makes Shimano/Campy incompatible is the spacing between the cogs on the cassette. It's not going to match the indexing of the shifter. But, if you run your (bar end) shifter in friction mode (ie no clicks), you can run a Shimano cassette (wheel) on an otherwise Campy equipped bike or vice versa. This doesn't work with the ergo/sti shifters since there's no friction mode.
2008-04-30 1:06 PM
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rbriggz - 2008-04-18 10:30 AM

My bike is supposed to be here today!!
Thanks to gygyhawks post - not sure i would have checked the fedex tracking so soon if i hadn't seen that her bike got made it to her in 2 days. I AM SOOOO STOKED!!


Got the bike, had the LBS build and set it up for me. I've done a couple quick rides and a 30 miler this past weekend. It's awesome!!
2008-04-30 1:44 PM
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TheyCallMeTiny - 2008-04-30 9:06 AM

Honestly at these prices I dont think that you will have problems getting rid of these bikes if they don't work.

True - but the thing is, I want the bikes to work out so I can ride the heck out of them. Laughing

2008-04-30 2:49 PM
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camy - 2008-04-30 11:30 AM

What makes Shimano/Campy incompatible is the spacing between the cogs on the cassette. It's not going to match the indexing of the shifter. But, if you run your (bar end) shifter in friction mode (ie no clicks), you can run a Shimano cassette (wheel) on an otherwise Campy equipped bike or vice versa. This doesn't work with the ergo/sti shifters since there's no friction mode.


A Campy cassette will not fit on a shimano wheel (HUB). And Vice Versa--- Or at least that is my understanding.
2008-04-30 8:04 PM
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davhamm - 2008-04-30 2:49 PM 
 A Campy cassette will not fit on a shimano wheel (HUB). And Vice Versa--- Or at least that is my understanding.

Correct.

The point I have been trying to make is that since Chi has a Shimano trainer wheel (which I assume already has a Shimano cassette), he should use it as-is and put his Campy shifters in friction mode and ride away. There's no need to buy a conversion kit or even a new cassette. It will work.



2008-05-01 3:28 PM
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Cool Bike got delivered today. Hoping to get it assembled tonight.
2008-05-02 1:44 PM
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Trying to find out what size bike I'd need in cm... A Large in Giant bikes feels pretty good, however, I can't figure out which measurement on this chart references a size that I could translate into a Javelin.

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2008-05-02 2:03 PM
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Based on that, I would say you are probably 54cm to 57cm on a Javelin.

But it really goes beyond just the top-tube, and into reach, inseam, aero-ness (hey, it's a word!), etc. 

2008-05-02 2:06 PM
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Yes, apparently the reach on Javelins is longer then most bikes.

My bike would have been perfectly sized for me if the top tube was shorter. We had to shorten the stem on the handlebars when I went for a fitting and even still it's just a wee bit long of a reach. Luckily my flexibility is very good so it works well enough for me.

If in doubt and you think reach might be an issue I'd go for the smaller size.
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