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2011-10-15 10:47 AM
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kuotaguy - 2011-10-14 9:14 PM Who knows if we can trust a 15 day forecast, but I'll take this on race day with a smile on my face: http://www.myforecast.com/bin/expanded_forecast_15day.m?city=25359&...

Unless I am looking at it wrong it says 100% of heavy rain.  Hopefully they are wrong.

Ignore that one.  That site is clearly run by fools!  Find a better forecast and believe that one :-)

The current one from Accuweather doesn't look bad.

b2b-15day

Mostly sunny with a high of 61 and a low of 36.  Winds NW at 15 mph.  NW winds are good.  That pushes us back on 421.  From mile 71ish we are on 421!



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gabrelsj - 2011-10-15 9:27 AM

kuotaguy - 2011-10-14 9:14 PM Who knows if we can trust a 15 day forecast, but I'll take this on race day with a smile on my face: http://www.myforecast.com/bin/expanded_forecast_15day.m?city=25359&...

Unless I am looking at it wrong it says 100% of heavy rain.  Hopefully they are wrong.



Changed horribly in one day! I'm going to stop looking until Wednesday of race week
2011-10-15 1:01 PM
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way too far out to believe any forecast.   The 10 day forecast changes dramatically as well.  My last 70.3 was a test to that.  Went from 75 and sunny ten days out to 89 and sunny on race day.
2011-10-15 2:02 PM
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I think the wind direction question is kind of interesting...Would you rather have the wind at your back the first 70 miles and headwind the last 40? Or, headwind until you make the turn at 421 and a tailwind back into town, which is what we had last year.

As ugly as the the first three and a half hours of riding was last year because of the wind, it was pretty danged special having that push at the point when your legs start to wear out a little. The pavement on 421 was butter-smooth to boot - In short, the last couple of hours was pretty sweet riding.

Weather at B2B has been beautiful all three years - fingers crossed for a quartrieme.

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I will take that tailwind we had for the half last year everytime!
2011-10-15 3:13 PM
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If you ride with power, the wind is completely irrelevant. Obviously speeds will slow into a headwind, but if you are riding with an idea of what sort of power you should average you just need to stick to that wattage and not worry about the wind. Same thing with HR as your metric.

It is a bit demoralizing to ride into the wind for hours on end, but if there is wind everyone has to deal with it. If the wind is a headwind initially, don't try to focus on speed or you will pay for it at end of the ride and on the run.

 



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alltom1 - 2011-10-15 2:02 PM I think the wind direction question is kind of interesting...Would you rather have the wind at your back the first 70 miles and headwind the last 40? Or, headwind until you make the turn at 421 and a tailwind back into town, which is what we had last year. As ugly as the the first three and a half hours of riding was last year because of the wind, it was pretty danged special having that push at the point when your legs start to wear out a little. The pavement on 421 was butter-smooth to boot - In short, the last couple of hours was pretty sweet riding. Weather at B2B has been beautiful all three years - fingers crossed for a quartrieme.

If I had my pick I would go with tailwind coming in. 

2011-10-15 6:11 PM
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natethomas2000 - 2011-10-15 4:13 PM

If you ride with power, the wind is completely irrelevant..

Agree the goal should be riding same power regardless of wind conditions, and just accept that wind will hurt your overall time.  All else being equal (e.g. ave power, aerodynamics), wind will decrease overall speed since more time is spent riding upwind (slower) vs downwind (faster).  This article estimates that a 10mph wind will increase time by 5-7% on an flat out & back course: 

homepage.eircom.net/~Swordsccpics/Aerodynamics.pdf

Or run different wind condition scenarios on AC's site here:

http://www.analyticcycling.com/DiffEqWindCourse_Page.html

And since I am not a perfect bike handler, I expend some effort controlling the bike in gusty cross winds. 



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2011-10-16 6:48 PM
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Oldteen - 2011-10-14 9:55 AM

As the saying goes- better under- than over-trained when you hit that start line.

 

x2.  Remember, we're two weeks out and you should tapering.  During the taper, your fitness level for the race is pretty much set (assuming you don't completely stop training).  That being said, make sure you REST!  I'd highly recommend people take it easy, especially on the running from this point on as it looks like a few people might be overdoing it a little bit.  At this point, you've either put the time/work in or you haven't and there isn't anything you can do that is going get you get you more prepared for the race.  Sit back a bit and let your body recover from your hard work and get ready to have a terrific race in two weeks!

 

r u talking to me? lol

I have been resting a lot this week plus for some reason I want to sleep more than usual! Body is feeling ok; next to weeks are easy spins/run/swims...

x2 with u! nothing to gain at this point

 

lol, perhaps.  Smile  The 4hr ride is a bit long, but I can live with that.  But I'd really be careful about that 2hr run on Sunday.  Running puts the most stress on your body of the 3 disciplines.  Less than 2 weeks out from an IM, I wouldn't do a run longer than an hour and half, tops.

Its extremely natural for you to feel extra tired during your taper.  You're finally giving your body a real chance to recover from all the training you've done.  This might be a stretch and I don't have any proof of it, but I honestly also think your body knows what your about to put it through and wants to be as well prepared as possible for the big day so it wants to sleep as much as possible.  If that's the case, listen to your body and rest, rest, rest! 

 

Before my first race of the season (HIM) I was in a wicked shape and I could tell that my body knew something was up...

thanks for advise tho!

did my bike and run as expected and I felt super good!!!!!

Now is all about relaxing and recovering as much as I can

2011-10-16 7:44 PM
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Anyone know water temps?
2011-10-16 8:18 PM
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mdfahy - 2011-10-16 8:44 PM

Anyone know water temps?


Matthew, here's a nice site I found for Wrightsville Beach to get a water temp idea:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=jmpn7

Hope it helps! Nice pic....GO Bucks!!!



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Tri bike is getting boxed up today and I'm shipping it out tomorrow. I'll be riding the roadie for the next ten days or so before the race.

We're getting close!!

2011-10-17 9:31 AM
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natethomas2000 - 2011-10-17 7:06 AM

Tri bike is getting boxed up today and I'm shipping it out tomorrow. I'll be riding the roadie for the next ten days or so before the race.

We're getting close!!

DW & I are driving so I'll have my Slice until race day.  Still messin' with wireless cyclocomputer set-up, although that's just a BU for my Garmin. Everything else is GTG.

2011-10-17 1:58 PM
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I'm still looking for a race entry.  If anyone knows anyone who is out, please contact me.  I will be in Wilmington from Friday morning on.  I'm offering a cash contribution you may give to your favorite charity.  I will be very responsible with your number.  

Bill

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kuotaguy - 2011-10-16 9:18 PM
mdfahy - 2011-10-16 8:44 PM Anyone know water temps?
Matthew, here's a nice site I found for Wrightsville Beach to get a water temp idea: http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=jmpn7Hope it helps! Nice pic....GO Bucks!!!

Any thoughts on max water temp for neoprene swim cap? This is my first cold water (and salt water) OWS. Water temp is currently 73 degrees - seems borderline.

Also, can someone link me to the bike elevation map for the Half (else Full)... would like to see how flat is "flat."  

Many thanks. 

2011-10-17 8:36 PM
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http://www.mapmyride.com/s/routes/view/bike-ride-map/north-carolina/wilmington/1490114

 

That is what I found on mapmyride, a little elevation but not much at all



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http://www.mapmyride.com/s/routes/view/bike-ride-map/north-carolina/wilmington/1490114

 

That is what I found on mapmyride, a little elevation but not much at all

 

I would say that certainly qualifies as flat

2011-10-18 7:27 AM
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JB....I swam The Half last year in 63 degree's without one my feet and face were the only thing cold and that didn't last long, so my thought is you don't need it. I also scuba dive and don't wear a hood unless it's below 70, and your not trying to exert any energy down at dept.

That said I am going back to the beach again this weekend, I'll post an update Monday.

Still looking to see if anyone want to swim the course ( Saturday) we will have race type current around 1pm

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kenbert61 - 2011-10-18 8:27 AM

JB....I swam The Half last year in 63 degree's without one my feet and face were the only thing cold and that didn't last long, so my thought is you don't need it. I also scuba dive and don't wear a hood unless it's below 70, and your not trying to exert any energy down at dept.

That said I am going back to the beach again this weekend, I'll post an update Monday.

Still looking to see if anyone want to swim the course ( Saturday) we will have race type current around 1pm

the booties are useful for the run from the swim to T1

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I did a test swim the day before the race last year w/2 others guys, and we were all very cold.  We all went and bought gloves & booties, and the other guys bought hoodies also.  I did not buy a hoodie.   Even with the benefit of gloves,  I realized in T1 that my hands were too cold to do fine more tasks like zippers.   Just my n=1, YMMV
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lakeview - 2011-10-18 8:43 AM

I did a test swim the day before the race last year w/2 others guys, and we were all very cold.  We all went and bought gloves & booties, and the other guys bought hoodies also.  I did not buy a hoodie.   Even with the benefit of gloves,  I realized in T1 that my hands were too cold to do fine more tasks like zippers.   Just my n=1, YMMV


I've heard folks mention that booties cause a bit of drag on your legs...Any thoughts?


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lakeview - 2011-10-18 8:43 AM I did a test swim the day before the race last year w/2 others guys, and we were all very cold.  We all went and bought gloves & booties, and the other guys bought hoodies also.  I did not buy a hoodie.   Even with the benefit of gloves,  I realized in T1 that my hands were too cold to do fine more tasks like zippers.   Just my n=1, YMMV
I've heard folks mention that booties cause a bit of drag on your legs...Any thoughts?

no they don't... u need to get the right size!

I am usually L or XL for shoes/socks but I bought M booties They should fit fairly tight or else they are going to be full of water while you swim (kind of like a wetsuit)!

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I think properly sized booties & gloves would increase your buoyancy and water displacement (on both the kick & pull), both improving swim time.    But my very slow 1:22:29 swim last year may be the proof otherwise!  (I don't profess to be a swimmer, always MOP, then pass everyone on the bike, they then all pass me back on the run!)
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lakeview - 2011-10-18 10:38 AM I think properly sized booties & gloves would increase your buoyancy and water displacement (on both the kick & pull), both improving swim time.    But my very slow 1:22:29 swim last year may be the proof otherwise!  (I don't profess to be a swimmer, always MOP, then pass everyone on the bike, they then all pass me back on the run!)

You wore gloves during the race?  Last time I checked gloves were illegal in USAT events.  Booties are legal upon the RD's discretion, but I didn't think you could use gloves.

I did an OWS yesterday and my friend and I estimated the water being around 60 degrees or a little less.  I wore a neoprene cap, but no booties.  Besides the initial shock and when I was waiting for my face to numb up during the first 100-200 yards, I was fine and had no problem taking off my wetsuit/functioning after the swim.  However, my friend, who didn't wear a neoprene cap, just 2 regular caps, called it quits after 1 loop (I did 2).

Everybody is different.  Your size is often a factor, but some people can function fine under colder conditions while others can't.  The best recommendation I have is to try to simulate the race conditions before the race if possible.  That way you should have a good idea as to how your body is going to respond on race day.

Also, on race day, I highly recommend you get wet before the start and get your face in the water, especially if its cold.  You want to try to get your body acclimated before the race starts.

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camaleon - 2011-10-18 10:22 AM

alltom1 - 2011-10-18 10:04 AM
lakeview - 2011-10-18 8:43 AM I did a test swim the day before the race last year w/2 others guys, and we were all very cold.  We all went and bought gloves & booties, and the other guys bought hoodies also.  I did not buy a hoodie.   Even with the benefit of gloves,  I realized in T1 that my hands were too cold to do fine more tasks like zippers.   Just my n=1, YMMV
I've heard folks mention that booties cause a bit of drag on your legs...Any thoughts?

no they don't... u need to get the right size!

I am usually L or XL for shoes/socks but I bought M booties They should fit fairly tight or else they are going to be full of water while you swim (kind of like a wetsuit)!

Did you go for tri booties, or something from a dive shop?  I've heard dive stuff holds up better (i.e. for running on asphalt).

BTW- Water temp @ Wrightsville Beach NOAA buoy has been 72.7-73.4 F past 24hrs.  I may be a tough old Michigander, but that doesn't have me rushing out to get hood/booties/gloves.  Last 2 OWS's I've been fine in just my sleeveless & latex cap for >1hr in 74 & 70 F water.

And +1 on face-planting the water for acclimatization just prior to swim start.  Helps me a lot- esp when I can't get in a practice swim.



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