Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread (Page 18)
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2009-12-29 5:48 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Expert 1128 Boston | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Just started week 5. How bad can 5 intervals be? Owweee...owwweee...owwweee! |
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2009-12-29 9:36 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Expert 671 | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Jorge--your plan looks like a lot of fun especially if you like pain. I have two questions though before I get too deep into your plan. Thanks by the way for providing this free. That is a huge service and clearly shows your commitment to improving the sport for everyone. Question 1: I'm racing IM St. George May 1st. I intend to substitute your plan for my weekday rides and still keep my long ride very long on the weekend. My question is: If I'm scheduled to complete the plan three weeks prior to IM, will the plan help improve my bike or am I better off sticking to an IM specific plan for weekday rides? Question 2: I really enjoy my lunchtime rides. These rides lack structure as it is often difficult to focus or follow an interval regime on the road. If I follow your plan, can I still keep my lunchtime rides twice a week if I keep them at recovery (social) pace or am I risking overtraining with junk miles even though they are slow and minimal effort? Thanks in advance. Cameron |
2009-12-29 9:37 AM in reply to: #2581411 |
Expert 671 | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Seren - 2009-12-29 4:48 AM Just started week 5. How bad can 5 intervals be? Owweee...owwweee...owwweee! Depends on how long they are and at what effort. I'll bet you were wiped after them! |
2009-12-30 9:23 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread OK, Jorge's mean-ness is still alive and well - got the W9Q1 done at 5:00AM - there should be a law against that much pain that early in the morning.... |
2009-12-30 11:44 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Veteran 147 SC | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread I'm glad to see that everybody else is hurting also. I started wk. 8 last week, but Christmas kind of screwed the workout schedule up. I decided to start this week over with wk 8. Sweet Moses! Those 4' intervals are KILLING me! |
2009-12-30 3:14 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Member 41 | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread I have to agree those 6 by 4' intervals are killing me. week 9 Q1 was definitely for me the hardest workout to date. My 18yo son and 12yo nephew were lifting in my house of pain (the basement) near where I was on the trainer. I know my nephew was thinking WTHell is all the sweat flying and moaning and groaning about. My son is used to it, he has seen me training hard at different sports for years. I did it yesterday afternoon and was glad to do a lot of pulling when I got in the pool this morning. My legs were toast. Going to try to get in a 4-5 mile run this afternoon, don't know that there is much left in the tank. This 14 week plan is going to overlap for two weeks of my Boston marathon 12 week training which comes in mid - January. Between that and coaching swimming and teaching full time there will need to be a lot of planning involved and luckily a supportive family. |
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2009-12-30 5:12 PM in reply to: #2581794 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread cayrip - 2009-12-29 9:36 AM Jorge--your plan looks like a lot of fun especially if you like pain. I have two questions though before I get too deep into your plan. Thanks by the way for providing this free. That is a huge service and clearly shows your commitment to improving the sport for everyone. Question 1: I'm racing IM St. George May 1st. I intend to substitute your plan for my weekday rides and still keep my long ride very long on the weekend. My question is: If I'm scheduled to complete the plan three weeks prior to IM, will the plan help improve my bike or am I better off sticking to an IM specific plan for weekday rides? Question 2: I really enjoy my lunchtime rides. These rides lack structure as it is often difficult to focus or follow an interval regime on the road. If I follow your plan, can I still keep my lunchtime rides twice a week if I keep them at recovery (social) pace or am I risking overtraining with junk miles even though they are slow and minimal effort? Thanks in advance. Cameron 1. as long as you get to do your specific IM ride (long rides), build to the distance AND you can cope with the intensity then yes you can follow the plan and it should help your power threshold quite nice while increasing your endurance at the same time. Just see how it works and go from there 2. yes if you can get to complete all your other sessions with no trouble. If you are failing to get other sessions cuz you are too tired then take one of the easy spins out. Good luck! |
2009-12-30 5:36 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Hey guys, Date Sets Average New Base line Weight W/Kg 12-07-09 261, 262, 260, 260, 265, 268 262w 266w 144 pounds 4.06 As you can see in 4 weeks my 20MP has increased 23 watts and since I some lost weight my w/kg has increased 0.46 which is VERY good! Train Hard people! |
2009-12-30 8:51 PM in reply to: #2584174 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Lo-Daddy - 2009-12-30 11:44 AM I'm glad to see that everybody else is hurting also. I started wk. 8 last week, but Christmas kind of screwed the workout schedule up. I decided to start this week over with wk 8. Sweet Moses! Those 4' intervals are KILLING me! Good for you - an extra week of the 4minute intervals... tell me how that works out for ya |
2009-12-31 8:44 AM in reply to: #2493671 |
Veteran 141 Wolverine, Michigan | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread The 6 x 4's are bad enough, but by the 4th one I can't rember if I am on the 3rd minute or 4th minute. Not wanting to short change myself I usually assume the lower. I am pretty sure some of my sets were 5 minutes. This reminds me of my boxing training years ago. 3 minutes is a short time ... unless you are hitting a heavy bag as hard as you can untill you can't lift up your arms. Ahhh, that is it. Jorge used to be a boxer. Seriously this program is great! |
2009-12-31 9:14 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread I'm getting a late start, here.... Just got a new POWER METER for Christmas! YAY!!! I've done Q1 of week 1 and Q2 of week 2 (thinking maybe I can skip ahead a bit?) Is that a bad idea? |
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2009-12-31 11:05 AM in reply to: #2586052 |
Veteran 141 Wolverine, Michigan | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread jsnowash - 2009-12-31 9:14 AM I'm getting a late start, here.... Just got a new POWER METER for Christmas! YAY!!! I've done Q1 of week 1 and Q2 of week 2 (thinking maybe I can skip ahead a bit?) Is that a bad idea? Yes, it is a bad idea. Leave now and don't start or you will regret it at week 8. Actually, there are people at all stages of the program if you read all of the msg's. I am a week behind. So I think I would do the program as designed. It is working for me. |
2009-12-31 11:36 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Expert 1128 Boston | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread X2. The plan works as written. I wouldn't skip steps...you'll only be cheating yourself in the weeks to come! |
2009-12-31 11:04 PM in reply to: #2585938 |
Veteran 147 SC | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread NorthernNewbie - 2009-12-31 9:44 AM The 6 x 4's are bad enough, but by the 4th one I can't rember if I am on the 3rd minute or 4th minute. Not wanting to short change myself I usually assume the lower. I am pretty sure some of my sets were 5 minutes. I can promise I'm watching my bike computer so hard I don't go one second over 4'! Cheers to you if you are pushing this pain for 5'!! |
2010-01-01 9:17 AM in reply to: #2586052 |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread jsnowash - 2009-12-31 9:14 AM I'm getting a late start, here.... Just got a new POWER METER for Christmas! YAY!!! I've done Q1 of week 1 and Q2 of week 2 (thinking maybe I can skip ahead a bit?) Is that a bad idea? Like the others have stated, I would start from week 1. I am seeing a huge difference. The weeks I don't think I did properly I redo. If you want to play with the new PowerMeter, I would try and get a feel for how to pace myself on the 5 and 20 min tests. Establishing an accurate FTP seems to be key since it is what is going to be used to determine the levels at which you will train for a few weeks. If your 5 min test is below what you could do, your FTP will come out high and you will suffer more. If your 20 min test is below what it could be, your FTP will be low and you will not be getting out as much as you can. I screwed up the testing so redid the weeks I felt I did wrong. But there is no doubt about it my numbers are improving. And I now have a feeling for what 250 vs 280 vs...means. I cringe when I see the workouts to be done, but the feeling of satisfaction when they are done is incredible. The structure is just amazing. You will enjoy it. No use skipping steps, enjoy the full 14weeks of hell. |
2010-01-02 10:27 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Expert 1128 Boston | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread week 5 Q3 done. However, my butt hurts from being in the saddle so long! |
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2010-01-02 9:13 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread |
2010-01-04 8:01 AM in reply to: #2590083 |
Master 1736 Midcoast Maine | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread JorgeM - 2010-01-02 10:13 AM Week #10 is up! Ummm.../sarc Thanks /sarc Any advise on keeping in the seat for the longer rides?...if I'm out on the road, I'd have no problem (I can stand up in the pedals, move around a bit more, even clip out for a bit for a break), but after about 1.5 hours on the trainer, I get really antsy. This has been a great program for me so far...on week 10 starting tomorrow. Thanks (really this time)! |
2010-01-04 9:40 AM in reply to: #2591939 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-01-04 8:01 AM JorgeM - 2010-01-02 10:13 AM Week #10 is up! Ummm.../sarc Thanks /sarc Any advise on keeping in the seat for the longer rides?...if I'm out on the road, I'd have no problem (I can stand up in the pedals, move around a bit more, even clip out for a bit for a break), but after about 1.5 hours on the trainer, I get really antsy. This has been a great program for me so far...on week 10 starting tomorrow. Thanks (really this time)! Unless I am out on the road I don't like to ride the trainer more than 1:30-2 hrs tops! I just don't enjoy it, for that reason I either try to ride outside as much as possible or if it is rainy/snowy outside I'll do a tempo session (like repeating a Q3 session) |
2010-01-04 10:08 AM in reply to: #2591939 |
Extreme Veteran 1942 In front of computer when typing this. | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-01-04 9:01 AM JorgeM - 2010-01-02 10:13 AM Week #10 is up! Ummm.../sarc Thanks /sarc Any advise on keeping in the seat for the longer rides?...if I'm out on the road, I'd have no problem (I can stand up in the pedals, move around a bit more, even clip out for a bit for a break), but after about 1.5 hours on the trainer, I get really antsy. This has been a great program for me so far...on week 10 starting tomorrow. Thanks (really this time)! I'll click to the hardest gear I have and stand up for a minute or two as necessary. It makes for a nice change from sitting still on the trainer for long periods. |
2010-01-04 12:30 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
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2010-01-04 4:25 PM in reply to: #2592738 |
Champion 5522 Frisco, TX | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread trotpntbll - 2010-01-04 12:30 PM And I'm back, will be repeating W7Q1 and the rest of that week starting tonight..... After my swim I'm pretty sure tonight will be the most painful trainer ride to date. Oh, just way for week 9 Q1... Muhahaahah.... its brutal.... Going to try to hit W9Q3 tonight to finish off the week... Did a couple of longer rides on Fri / Sat - Fri was a 2:03 topline Z3 ride that left me sore afterwards, Sat was a 1:40 Z2 movie watcher.... |
2010-01-04 5:43 PM in reply to: #2492759 |
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2010-01-04 6:36 PM in reply to: #2591939 |
Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread itsallrelative_Maine - 2010-01-04 8:01 AM JorgeM - 2010-01-02 10:13 AM Week #10 is up! Ummm.../sarc Thanks /sarc Any advise on keeping in the seat for the longer rides?...if I'm out on the road, I'd have no problem (I can stand up in the pedals, move around a bit more, even clip out for a bit for a break), but after about 1.5 hours on the trainer, I get really antsy. This has been a great program for me so far...on week 10 starting tomorrow. Thanks (really this time)! I've been trynig the Lord of the Rings trilogy. |
2010-01-05 5:45 AM in reply to: #2492759 |
Expert 1128 Boston | Subject: RE: Winter Cycling Plan Official Thread Just completed week 6 Q1 - 2nd testing day! This program should be named Wicked Winter Cycling Plan. Man did that test hurt! But my LTHR did increase! Thanks Jorge! |
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