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2012-12-30 10:59 AM
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There is a HM on feb 9 th that I really want to do. Those of you who were manatees this time last year may remember me discussing it then - it is a trail run through a wetlands park. Alligators line the run course ( although I didn't see any while running last time) and as the sun comes up you watch the birds ( water fowl, eagles etc) start to stir. It is a really laid back event and I really enjoyed participating last year.The problem is because of my foot issue I went 6+ weeks without running and have only just been giving the ok to ease back into things. I ran 5 miles yesterday, my longest run since starting back. So, the issues are: do I have enough time to get my mileage back up to HM levels and, if so, will the effort set me back with my recovery?I know no one can answer the latter question, I will discuss that more fully with the doctor when I get my orthotics in the next week or 2. So, I guess the real question for this forum is whether or not I should attempt getting my mileage back up so quickly. I looked at some HM plans and with 6 weeks to go to the race it seems I should be at about 8 miles for my long run. However, I had a great run base before the 6 week lay off and wonder if that base would allow me to accelerate my build up without causing injury.Anybody have experience with something like this? Is it totally stupid to go from 0 to HM in 8 weeks???


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KansasMom - 2012-12-30 10:43 AM

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KansasMom - 2012-12-30 10:35 AM

Here is the race I want to do on February 9th. I could signup for the 10 or the 20 mile. It looks tough. Help me decide.

http://www.everytrail.com/view_trip.php?trip_id=495345

Sorry the link isn't clickable. I am working on my tablet.

Your running has been *very* consistent the last couple months, but I would not sign up for a 20-mile trail run/hike unless I'd specifically been training for a marathon (and perhaps more specifically, an off-road marathon).

The exception would be if (the link doesn't describe the race itself) I were going to treat it as an all-day fun hike and the race parameters allowed for that.

I corrected the link. I was having issues copying, and left a number off the end. This is the correct run, and if you scroll down, there is a description. In any case, I am leaning toward the 10 mile. The trail is described as rocky, rooty and hilly. It is single track and will likely have some snow and ice pack in spots. I would struggle to complete the 20, but with the 10 mile, I think I have a chance to finish MOP and maybe be competitive in my age group, if they even award for that.

Felicia, it looks like the 10 would fit well into current training. It does depend on your goals, but I think I'd go for the 10 and push it a bit. You have stated a goal of 50K at some point and your training has been building really well to move towards that in the future. Keep building and you'll find a 20 that fits in a little while from now.

I must have been delirious with the need for sleep last night. My logic last night went "I did the 25k hilly run a couple months ago and am better trained now and will be even better trained by the first of February, so 5 more miles and one more hour should be fine." My logic this morning, even after a poor night's sleep is something like, "20 miles is only 10k away from a marathon. Am I CRAZY???" So after church, I will pull the trigger on the 10 mile. I know I can do it. I will not suffer too badly, depending on weather conditions, and I will likely be able to run all but the steepest sections, based on my 10k trail performance this spring. If we are still in Kansas in 2014, I can tackle the 20 mile, and then in 2015 be ready to dive into the 50k they also run. I need to remember my long range plan and not get impatient. I need to be able to do all of this without injury. That's my first priority.


I probably should follow your example and not be impatient, recognizing staying injury free is a priority. But, I'm an idiot about these things and tend to not practice what I preach. Glad there is at least one sane manatee around here
2012-12-30 11:14 AM
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4agoodlife - 2012-12-31 12:14 AM

Just got back from my first morning run since March. I dragged myself away from my warm, comfy husband and out of my warm, comfy bed. Though it was sloooow going and seemed like it took forever to warm up, now I feel accomplished

 

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2012-12-30 11:19 AM
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amd723 - 2012-12-31 12:59 AM There is a HM on feb 9 th that I really want to do. Those of you who were manatees this time last year may remember me discussing it then - it is a trail run through a wetlands park. Alligators line the run course ( although I didn't see any while running last time) and as the sun comes up you watch the birds ( water fowl, eagles etc) start to stir. It is a really laid back event and I really enjoyed participating last year.The problem is because of my foot issue I went 6+ weeks without running and have only just been giving the ok to ease back into things. I ran 5 miles yesterday, my longest run since starting back. So, the issues are: do I have enough time to get my mileage back up to HM levels and, if so, will the effort set me back with my recovery?I know no one can answer the latter question, I will discuss that more fully with the doctor when I get my orthotics in the next week or 2. So, I guess the real question for this forum is whether or not I should attempt getting my mileage back up so quickly. I looked at some HM plans and with 6 weeks to go to the race it seems I should be at about 8 miles for my long run. However, I had a great run base before the 6 week lay off and wonder if that base would allow me to accelerate my build up without causing injury.Anybody have experience with something like this? Is it totally stupid to go from 0 to HM in 8 weeks???

Yes, and it takes 2-3 weeks to get used to orthotics as well. At least.

So here's the same answer I pretty much always give ... given that it's very unlikely, okay, pretty much impossible that you can train for it properly, so "racing" it is already out of the question, would you still like to participate? Why not do a run/walk ratio that's very generous on the walk side? What's the time limit on the race? I do remember it from last year I'd want to do it too!

2012-12-30 11:27 AM
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Muskrat37 - 2012-12-30 11:47 PM

Thanks for the advice... When you say effort, should I be wearing my heart rate monitor more often and trying to stay at a comfortable heart rate? (For me, about 155 bpm is not working that hard and equates to a sub 7:45 - 7:44 pace - 145 is really coasting and equates to an 8:15 - 8:30 pace..race pace for less than a 1/2 marathon is 165 and that was a 7:25 pace)

I usually wear my HRM for races and based on those heart rates and my training run 1/2 mary where I kept it at 155 bpm the entire time and ran a 1:44 1/2 mary - my race plan for tomorrow is to keep my HR at 155 for the 1st half (which has a very slight elevation gain and 3 small(ish) hills..then bump it up a touch to 160 on the way back and if there is anything left in the tank I was going to push it to 165 for the last 3 miles.  

Does that sound like a decent race plan?  I just made it up based on my training runs.  

Heh ... Salty is on her way to Whistler, but when she says "effort," she means EFFORT ... this is the lady who trains and races (very effectively) without so much as a watch. For real.

If you're going to train by heart rate, do the field testing for LTHR. It's really simple if not easy, and that way you're structuring your training in metrics that are useful, and repeatable for gauging progress. You're definitely more than fit enough to do the testing, which takes all of half an hour

As for the race ... technically, you should be running FASTER at the same heart rate, so if once again you remain at 155bpm, you should still hit your goal. But I agree that assessing at the halfway mark is a good idea--if you're on target for your goal and feeling okay, no need to step it up. If you're on target for your goal and feeling fantastic--time to step it up

I know you do, so this is just another general reminder (from my days of yore in healthcare and health education): "Treat the patient, not the monitor." Always check in with yourself, with brutal honesty, regarding your effort levels and how you're feeling.

2012-12-30 12:39 PM
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amd723 - 2012-12-31 12:59 AM There is a HM on feb 9 th that I really want to do. Those of you who were manatees this time last year may remember me discussing it then - it is a trail run through a wetlands park. Alligators line the run course ( although I didn't see any while running last time) and as the sun comes up you watch the birds ( water fowl, eagles etc) start to stir. It is a really laid back event and I really enjoyed participating last year.The problem is because of my foot issue I went 6+ weeks without running and have only just been giving the ok to ease back into things. I ran 5 miles yesterday, my longest run since starting back. So, the issues are: do I have enough time to get my mileage back up to HM levels and, if so, will the effort set me back with my recovery?I know no one can answer the latter question, I will discuss that more fully with the doctor when I get my orthotics in the next week or 2. So, I guess the real question for this forum is whether or not I should attempt getting my mileage back up so quickly. I looked at some HM plans and with 6 weeks to go to the race it seems I should be at about 8 miles for my long run. However, I had a great run base before the 6 week lay off and wonder if that base would allow me to accelerate my build up without causing injury.Anybody have experience with something like this? Is it totally stupid to go from 0 to HM in 8 weeks???

Yes, and it takes 2-3 weeks to get used to orthotics as well. At least.

So here's the same answer I pretty much always give ... given that it's very unlikely, okay, pretty much impossible that you can train for it properly, so "racing" it is already out of the question, would you still like to participate? Why not do a run/walk ratio that's very generous on the walk side? What's the time limit on the race? I do remember it from last year I'd want to do it too!

Stop being the voice of reason!!! I would like to participate, but I don't think I'd enjoy a heavy walk- run " race". There is a 10 k option, so maybe I'll just do that. Since my goal this year is to be injury free, I probably shouldn't wreck that goal 6 weeks into the year . As always, thanks for the input.One more thing, I guess you wouldnt think that running the ft lauderdale HM a week later would be any smarter ...


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amd723 - 2012-12-31 12:59 AM There is a HM on feb 9 th that I really want to do. Those of you who were manatees this time last year may remember me discussing it then - it is a trail run through a wetlands park. Alligators line the run course ( although I didn't see any while running last time) and as the sun comes up you watch the birds ( water fowl, eagles etc) start to stir. It is a really laid back event and I really enjoyed participating last year.The problem is because of my foot issue I went 6+ weeks without running and have only just been giving the ok to ease back into things. I ran 5 miles yesterday, my longest run since starting back. So, the issues are: do I have enough time to get my mileage back up to HM levels and, if so, will the effort set me back with my recovery?I know no one can answer the latter question, I will discuss that more fully with the doctor when I get my orthotics in the next week or 2. So, I guess the real question for this forum is whether or not I should attempt getting my mileage back up so quickly. I looked at some HM plans and with 6 weeks to go to the race it seems I should be at about 8 miles for my long run. However, I had a great run base before the 6 week lay off and wonder if that base would allow me to accelerate my build up without causing injury.Anybody have experience with something like this? Is it totally stupid to go from 0 to HM in 8 weeks???

Yes, and it takes 2-3 weeks to get used to orthotics as well. At least.

So here's the same answer I pretty much always give ... given that it's very unlikely, okay, pretty much impossible that you can train for it properly, so "racing" it is already out of the question, would you still like to participate? Why not do a run/walk ratio that's very generous on the walk side? What's the time limit on the race? I do remember it from last year I'd want to do it too!

Stop being the voice of reason!!! I would like to participate, but I don't think I'd enjoy a heavy walk- run " race". There is a 10 k option, so maybe I'll just do that. Since my goal this year is to be injury free, I probably shouldn't wreck that goal 6 weeks into the year . As always, thanks for the input.One more thing, I guess you wouldnt think that running the ft lauderdale HM a week later would be any smarter ...

When your voice is the only thing you've got that's reasonable ...

A WHOLE WEEK later? Oh well then sure, knock yourself out

2012-12-30 1:09 PM
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Just got back from my first morning run since March. I dragged myself away from my warm, comfy husband and out of my warm, comfy bed. Though it was sloooow going and seemed like it took forever to warm up, now I feel accomplished

 

That is an accomplishment. I rarely get early morning workouts in, but when I do, I feel good all day.

This will be me tomorrow!!! Fingers crossed
You can do it! I'll even cross my toes for you Told my husband, as I was winning/losing my mental debate, "I hate when I tell myself I'm going to do something I don't like, beacause then I HAVE to do it!" Lol
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Good job all those that hot out this morning!
Our church service times moved up an hour so now my long run is after church. Was a good run nonetheless. About 7.5 miles in just under 80 min. Now to have lunch and wait for the Bronco game!
Oh, I got the Sufferfest videos downloaded yesterday. I'll start this on my drainer rides this week.
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4agoodlife - 2012-12-30 10:14 AM

Just got back from my first morning run since March. I dragged myself away from my warm, comfy husband and out of my warm, comfy bed. Though it was sloooow going and seemed like it took forever to warm up, now I feel accomplished

 

That is an accomplishment. I rarely get early morning workouts in, but when I do, I feel good all day.

Still feeling good! My FIL said they're expecting a good dumping of snow in the next couple of days. Getting his snow blower ready. And here I was cold in low 40s... long sleeves and 3/4 leggings this morning. Haha. You looking at snow in your neck of KS, too?
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A bit emotional - no real reason homesick though and lack of training doesn't help. Being with my family who knows me as the unsporty non athletic Jo and it takes me back to a place I don't wanna go. It's funny I always thought I was just impulsive and a wanderer but now I think I needed to leave to find myself. I'm a better person away from all this - don't get me wrong it's not horrendous and my daughter is loving all the attention but this is no longer my place. There I feel better getting that out. A bit guilty for wanting to leave but there it is. Even miss my DH!


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Hi Chad I just wanted to say good luck in your race for today. I hope it goes well and that. You finish in your goal time.
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Hi Chad I just wanted to say good luck in your race for today. I hope it goes well and that. You finish in your goal time.
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Completely understand, Jo. I love seeing the fam, but there is a reason we live 6 hours away! And there is something to be said for being in your own home, own bed and regular schedule.
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rrrunner - 2012-12-31 8:59 AMCompletely understand, Jo. I love seeing the fam, but there is a reason we live 6 hours away! And there is something to be said for being in your own home, own bed and regular schedule.
yes indeed. I love my life in Australia compared to this. It's so strange - my older sister and I are alike she distances herself from the family and I understand why. I also feel smothered with kindness aaaargh!!!
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jobaxas - 2012-12-30 1:53 PMA bit emotional - no real reason homesick though and lack of training doesn't help. Being with my family who knows me as the unsporty non athletic Jo and it takes me back to a place I don't wanna go. It's funny I always thought I was just impulsive and a wanderer but now I think I needed to leave to find myself. I'm a better person away from all this - don't get me wrong it's not horrendous and my daughter is loving all the attention but this is no longer my place. There I feel better getting that out. A bit guilty for wanting to leave but there it is. Even miss my DH!
Don't feel guilty. You are wanting to take care of yourself...your health and happiness. That is a GOOD thing!


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Just returned from swimming.    I'm ravenous.   Let's see, a petite filet mignon, steak fries and garlic bread.    Start with a small chef salad.    Spring water from an artisan well  and a small glass of 14 year old home brewed mead will be the libations.       

As stated earlier in this thread cooking for one isn't that much fun.      Would anyone like to pop over and join me?

Smile

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Just returned from swimming.    I'm ravenous.   Let's see, a petite filet mignon, steak fries and garlic bread.    Start with a small chef salad.    Spring water from an artisan well  and a small glass of 14 year old home brewed mead will be the libations.       

As stated earlier in this thread cooking for one isn't that much fun.      Would anyone like to pop over and join me?

Smile

keep it warm im on my way!!!
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MadMathemagician - 2012-12-30 3:31 PM

Just returned from swimming.    I'm ravenous.   Let's see, a petite filet mignon, steak fries and garlic bread.    Start with a small chef salad.    Spring water from an artisan well  and a small glass of 14 year old home brewed mead will be the libations.       

As stated earlier in this thread cooking for one isn't that much fun.      Would anyone like to pop over and join me?

Smile

Sounds wonderful. Bit of a drive tho.I have a big pot of baked potato soup simmering on the stove.
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MadMathemagician - 2012-12-31 9:31 AM

Just returned from swimming.    I'm ravenous.   Let's see, a petite filet mignon, steak fries and garlic bread.    Start with a small chef salad.    Spring water from an artisan well  and a small glass of 14 year old home brewed mead will be the libations.       

As stated earlier in this thread cooking for one isn't that much fun.      Would anyone like to pop over and join me?

Smile

keep it warm im on my way!!!
Wow, your trip to get there makes mine minuscule!
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MadMathemagician - 2012-12-31 9:31 AM

Just returned from swimming.    I'm ravenous.   Let's see, a petite filet mignon, steak fries and garlic bread.    Start with a small chef salad.    Spring water from an artisan well  and a small glass of 14 year old home brewed mead will be the libations.       

As stated earlier in this thread cooking for one isn't that much fun.      Would anyone like to pop over and join me?

Smile

keep it warm im on my way!!!

 

Will do.   Just curious but when you commute home do you travel southwest or southeast to get down under?   England and Australia are basically the back of beyond from each other.



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MadMathemagician - 2012-12-30 3:31 PM

Just returned from swimming.    I'm ravenous.   Let's see, a petite filet mignon, steak fries and garlic bread.    Start with a small chef salad.    Spring water from an artisan well  and a small glass of 14 year old home brewed mead will be the libations.       

As stated earlier in this thread cooking for one isn't that much fun.      Would anyone like to pop over and join me?

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Sounds wonderful. Bit of a drive tho.I have a big pot of baked potato soup simmering on the stove.
Yum! BP soup sounds really good!
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Just returned from swimming.    I'm ravenous.   Let's see, a petite filet mignon, steak fries and garlic bread.    Start with a small chef salad.    Spring water from an artisan well  and a small glass of 14 year old home brewed mead will be the libations.       

As stated earlier in this thread cooking for one isn't that much fun.      Would anyone like to pop over and join me?

Smile

Sounds wonderful. Bit of a drive tho.I have a big pot of baked potato soup simmering on the stove.

Hmmm, if we can get one or two more to contribute bet we could have a great pot luck supper.

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StaceyK - 2012-12-30 1:56 PM Hi Chad I just wanted to say good luck in your race for today. I hope it goes well and that. You finish in your goal time.

Thank you... Tonight will be my traditional meal before a race... Spaghetti with Italian Sausage and grilled onions...lot's of garlic bread and a big salad.  I know it's not real carb loading, but it's what I've done before any sporting event for my entire life.  Can't break that habit.   

I'm going to crush that course tomorrow!  Will update you all with my final time.  

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jobaxas - 2012-12-30 1:53 PM A bit emotional - no real reason homesick though and lack of training doesn't help. Being with my family who knows me as the unsporty non athletic Jo and it takes me back to a place I don't wanna go. It's funny I always thought I was just impulsive and a wanderer but now I think I needed to leave to find myself. I'm a better person away from all this - don't get me wrong it's not horrendous and my daughter is loving all the attention but this is no longer my place. There I feel better getting that out. A bit guilty for wanting to leave but there it is. Even miss my DH!

I understand...When I was making changes in my life (both mental and physical) - I noticed that when I was around old friends and / or family, I went back to the old habits.  After a while though, everyone finally understood that I was a triathlete (I still love saying that)....and that I would be bringing my running shoes to family functions and going for my runs whether they liked it or not.    Hang in there...it will be over soon and then you can go back to being the athletic, sporty chic you are!

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