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 2014-01-06 2:05 PM in reply to: powerman |
 169   , Oregon |  Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearmsOriginally posted by powerman Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by idahocraig So awhile back I took one of my kids to the doctor for a well check. The doctor went through a checklist of questions about my child's health one of those questions was if we had any firearms in the home. The question caught me off guard I answered that I did own firearms then she asked how they were stored and if we kept them locked up. I responded that we kept them locked. I then go a anti-gun flyer given to me. I am normally not the one who takes my kids to the doctor usually my wife does. So I later discussed with my wife if this was a normal question she said it had been at this doctor's office (we recently moved to a new town and got a new doctor). We have decided that is really none of the doc's business if we own firearms so my answer will now be no. My questions are If you own guns what would your answer be? Why are doctors asking about firearms? Is this a new thing or is it just this office? Maybe it is a State of Oregon thing? overall just curious how you all see this. You stated you got "an anti-gun flyer" given to you. Did the flyer seriously tell you to turn in your guns? Or, did it emphasize safety and provide stats on the number of children out there killed or maimed by firearms? If it's the former, that's wrong. If it was the latter, why the worry?
My only question would be was a flyer also handed out on the dangers of house hold poisoning that outpace firearms injuries 1000 to 1. Was the question asked if they had a pool or a body of water... since drownings are more by hundreds to one. If indeed it was a thorough assessment of dangers to kids... then fine. But that list would be very long, and firearms would be at the very bottom. I do not recall any questions about cleaners or other house hold threats that may be present. The flyer gave some stats I do not remember them all and stated something to the effect that if after knowing the risk I still felt the need to own a firearm that they should be kept locked up. Great advice keep them locked any responsible gun owner keeps their guns locked up. It also stated that if firearms are in a home that the children should not even know about them. To me that is a bad idea. I live a community that most people have guns my kids will encounter guns at some point in their lives. I hunt they see me go hunting. So not even telling them I have them is a dumb idea. It is much more prudent to educate my kids about them. My kids know I have them they know what happens when you shoot one (bullet leaves the gun and kills what it hits). They know never to touch one at my house or at a friends. My 6 year old saw a realistic toy gun at a friends house and ask the parent if it was real before playing with it. So I keep them locked but my kids are well aware what they are and respect them. Much better then finding one and because they are curious or ignorant about guns shoot it and something terrible happens. When i feel they are old enough they will handle the guns and learn to shoot. That will not happen until they have a hunters safety class and lots of instruction from me. |
| 2014-01-06 3:03 PM in reply to: idahocraig |
Pro 15655  | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by idahocraig Originally posted by powerman I do not recall any questions about cleaners or other house hold threats that may be present. The flyer gave some stats I do not remember them all and stated something to the effect that if after knowing the risk I still felt the need to own a firearm that they should be kept locked up. Great advice keep them locked any responsible gun owner keeps their guns locked up. It also stated that if firearms are in a home that the children should not even know about them. To me that is a bad idea. I live a community that most people have guns my kids will encounter guns at some point in their lives. I hunt they see me go hunting. So not even telling them I have them is a dumb idea. It is much more prudent to educate my kids about them. My kids know I have them they know what happens when you shoot one (bullet leaves the gun and kills what it hits). They know never to touch one at my house or at a friends. My 6 year old saw a realistic toy gun at a friends house and ask the parent if it was real before playing with it. So I keep them locked but my kids are well aware what they are and respect them. Much better then finding one and because they are curious or ignorant about guns shoot it and something terrible happens. When i feel they are old enough they will handle the guns and learn to shoot. That will not happen until they have a hunters safety class and lots of instruction from me. Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by idahocraig So awhile back I took one of my kids to the doctor for a well check. The doctor went through a checklist of questions about my child's health one of those questions was if we had any firearms in the home. The question caught me off guard I answered that I did own firearms then she asked how they were stored and if we kept them locked up. I responded that we kept them locked. I then go a anti-gun flyer given to me. I am normally not the one who takes my kids to the doctor usually my wife does. So I later discussed with my wife if this was a normal question she said it had been at this doctor's office (we recently moved to a new town and got a new doctor). We have decided that is really none of the doc's business if we own firearms so my answer will now be no. My questions are If you own guns what would your answer be? Why are doctors asking about firearms? Is this a new thing or is it just this office? Maybe it is a State of Oregon thing? overall just curious how you all see this. You stated you got "an anti-gun flyer" given to you. Did the flyer seriously tell you to turn in your guns? Or, did it emphasize safety and provide stats on the number of children out there killed or maimed by firearms? If it's the former, that's wrong. If it was the latter, why the worry?
My only question would be was a flyer also handed out on the dangers of house hold poisoning that outpace firearms injuries 1000 to 1. Was the question asked if they had a pool or a body of water... since drownings are more by hundreds to one. If indeed it was a thorough assessment of dangers to kids... then fine. But that list would be very long, and firearms would be at the very bottom. Good post. The best thing you can do to teach your kids about guns and the result of pulling the trigger is let them shoot an animal while hunting. My kids know that guns are for killing when used for their fully intended purpose. My kids grew up with guns all around them as I worked and hunted......not much mystery for them. My son enjoyed duck hunting, not so much rabbit hunting, and he has no desire to shoot a deer. For him, birds were fine, mammals no....he won't shoot one anymore, just didn't like the idea. Still, he knows what the business end of a gun will do, and that's fine with me. The above being said, I don't have a gun anywhere in my house that any of my kids or their friends could even remotely have a chance to get their hands on......because that's just being a responsible gun owner. You couldn't steal one from my house either without a crane, and I have a small arsenal.......but that's another discussion.
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| 2014-01-06 3:45 PM in reply to: 0 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms In addition to the gun question, my kid's doctor asked if we have a family fire escape plan. I assume she is in the pocket of the residential escape ladder lobby. Edited by Goosedog 2014-01-06 3:47 PM |
| 2014-01-06 3:53 PM in reply to: Goosedog |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by Goosedog In addition to the gun question, my kid's doctor asked if we have a family fire escape plan. I assume she is in the pocket of the residential escape ladder lobby. HAHAHAHA!!!! My kids have windows in their rooms......if they can't figure our the plan, they can burn. |
| 2014-01-06 4:08 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
| 169 , Oregon | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by idahocraig Originally posted by powerman I do not recall any questions about cleaners or other house hold threats that may be present. The flyer gave some stats I do not remember them all and stated something to the effect that if after knowing the risk I still felt the need to own a firearm that they should be kept locked up. Great advice keep them locked any responsible gun owner keeps their guns locked up. It also stated that if firearms are in a home that the children should not even know about them. To me that is a bad idea. I live a community that most people have guns my kids will encounter guns at some point in their lives. I hunt they see me go hunting. So not even telling them I have them is a dumb idea. It is much more prudent to educate my kids about them. My kids know I have them they know what happens when you shoot one (bullet leaves the gun and kills what it hits). They know never to touch one at my house or at a friends. My 6 year old saw a realistic toy gun at a friends house and ask the parent if it was real before playing with it. So I keep them locked but my kids are well aware what they are and respect them. Much better then finding one and because they are curious or ignorant about guns shoot it and something terrible happens. When i feel they are old enough they will handle the guns and learn to shoot. That will not happen until they have a hunters safety class and lots of instruction from me. Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by idahocraig So awhile back I took one of my kids to the doctor for a well check. The doctor went through a checklist of questions about my child's health one of those questions was if we had any firearms in the home. The question caught me off guard I answered that I did own firearms then she asked how they were stored and if we kept them locked up. I responded that we kept them locked. I then go a anti-gun flyer given to me. I am normally not the one who takes my kids to the doctor usually my wife does. So I later discussed with my wife if this was a normal question she said it had been at this doctor's office (we recently moved to a new town and got a new doctor). We have decided that is really none of the doc's business if we own firearms so my answer will now be no. My questions are If you own guns what would your answer be? Why are doctors asking about firearms? Is this a new thing or is it just this office? Maybe it is a State of Oregon thing? overall just curious how you all see this. You stated you got "an anti-gun flyer" given to you. Did the flyer seriously tell you to turn in your guns? Or, did it emphasize safety and provide stats on the number of children out there killed or maimed by firearms? If it's the former, that's wrong. If it was the latter, why the worry?
My only question would be was a flyer also handed out on the dangers of house hold poisoning that outpace firearms injuries 1000 to 1. Was the question asked if they had a pool or a body of water... since drownings are more by hundreds to one. If indeed it was a thorough assessment of dangers to kids... then fine. But that list would be very long, and firearms would be at the very bottom. Good post. The best thing you can do to teach your kids about guns and the result of pulling the trigger is let them shoot an animal while hunting. My kids know that guns are for killing when used for their fully intended purpose. My kids grew up with guns all around them as I worked and hunted......not much mystery for them. My son enjoyed duck hunting, not so much rabbit hunting, and he has no desire to shoot a deer. For him, birds were fine, mammals no....he won't shoot one anymore, just didn't like the idea. Still, he knows what the business end of a gun will do, and that's fine with me. The above being said, I don't have a gun anywhere in my house that any of my kids or their friends could even remotely have a chance to get their hands on......because that's just being a responsible gun owner. You couldn't steal one from my house either without a crane, and I have a small arsenal.......but that's another discussion.
Oops looks like I better clarify. My kids are not going to just come across a gun at my house either. They are kept locked up. I am more concerned about it happening outside of my home. Maybe not now while they are young but as they get older. I cannot always control what they find at a friends house. |
| 2014-01-06 4:16 PM in reply to: idahocraig |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by idahocraig Originally posted by Left Brain Oops looks like I better clarify. My kids are not going to just come across a gun at my house either. They are kept locked up. I am more concerned about it happening outside of my home. Maybe not now while they are young but as they get older. I cannot always control what they find at a friends house. Originally posted by idahocraig Originally posted by powerman I do not recall any questions about cleaners or other house hold threats that may be present. The flyer gave some stats I do not remember them all and stated something to the effect that if after knowing the risk I still felt the need to own a firearm that they should be kept locked up. Great advice keep them locked any responsible gun owner keeps their guns locked up. It also stated that if firearms are in a home that the children should not even know about them. To me that is a bad idea. I live a community that most people have guns my kids will encounter guns at some point in their lives. I hunt they see me go hunting. So not even telling them I have them is a dumb idea. It is much more prudent to educate my kids about them. My kids know I have them they know what happens when you shoot one (bullet leaves the gun and kills what it hits). They know never to touch one at my house or at a friends. My 6 year old saw a realistic toy gun at a friends house and ask the parent if it was real before playing with it. So I keep them locked but my kids are well aware what they are and respect them. Much better then finding one and because they are curious or ignorant about guns shoot it and something terrible happens. When i feel they are old enough they will handle the guns and learn to shoot. That will not happen until they have a hunters safety class and lots of instruction from me. Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy Originally posted by idahocraig So awhile back I took one of my kids to the doctor for a well check. The doctor went through a checklist of questions about my child's health one of those questions was if we had any firearms in the home. The question caught me off guard I answered that I did own firearms then she asked how they were stored and if we kept them locked up. I responded that we kept them locked. I then go a anti-gun flyer given to me. I am normally not the one who takes my kids to the doctor usually my wife does. So I later discussed with my wife if this was a normal question she said it had been at this doctor's office (we recently moved to a new town and got a new doctor). We have decided that is really none of the doc's business if we own firearms so my answer will now be no. My questions are If you own guns what would your answer be? Why are doctors asking about firearms? Is this a new thing or is it just this office? Maybe it is a State of Oregon thing? overall just curious how you all see this. You stated you got "an anti-gun flyer" given to you. Did the flyer seriously tell you to turn in your guns? Or, did it emphasize safety and provide stats on the number of children out there killed or maimed by firearms? If it's the former, that's wrong. If it was the latter, why the worry?
My only question would be was a flyer also handed out on the dangers of house hold poisoning that outpace firearms injuries 1000 to 1. Was the question asked if they had a pool or a body of water... since drownings are more by hundreds to one. If indeed it was a thorough assessment of dangers to kids... then fine. But that list would be very long, and firearms would be at the very bottom. Good post. The best thing you can do to teach your kids about guns and the result of pulling the trigger is let them shoot an animal while hunting. My kids know that guns are for killing when used for their fully intended purpose. My kids grew up with guns all around them as I worked and hunted......not much mystery for them. My son enjoyed duck hunting, not so much rabbit hunting, and he has no desire to shoot a deer. For him, birds were fine, mammals no....he won't shoot one anymore, just didn't like the idea. Still, he knows what the business end of a gun will do, and that's fine with me. The above being said, I don't have a gun anywhere in my house that any of my kids or their friends could even remotely have a chance to get their hands on......because that's just being a responsible gun owner. You couldn't steal one from my house either without a crane, and I have a small arsenal.......but that's another discussion.
I'll clarify too.....I wasn't making a comment on the availability of guns inside your home, your post certainly made it clear to me that you are responsible. I agree with your last sentence......which is why I spent so much time making sure my kids were educated (it was fun by the way....good father/kid time). My kids would likely run like hell if some kid started playing with a gun.......they don't think guns are funny. That tends to happen when you see firsthand what they do to flesh and bone. |
| 2014-01-06 4:23 PM in reply to: idahocraig |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms I don't own any guns (now) and that is also nobody's business. When I go to the doctor, it's for their professional experience, period. Plenty of good doc's out there, find one that sticks to medicine. Mine likes to talk about running sometimes, but I consider that a valid topic. |
| 2014-01-06 4:31 PM in reply to: BrianRunsPhilly |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by BrianRunsPhilly I don't own any guns (now) and that is also nobody's business. When I go to the doctor, it's for their professional experience, period. Plenty of good doc's out there, find one that sticks to medicine. Mine likes to talk about running sometimes, but I consider that a valid topic. Yeah, the finny thing about the doc question to me is that statistically, virtually none of them have ever treated a kid with a gunshot wound.....but still, it's GOT to be high on the list of child killers, right? And besides, they're doctors.......so much smarter than you. |
| 2014-01-07 9:34 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by BrianRunsPhilly I don't own any guns (now) and that is also nobody's business. When I go to the doctor, it's for their professional experience, period. Plenty of good doc's out there, find one that sticks to medicine. Mine likes to talk about running sometimes, but I consider that a valid topic. Yeah, the finny thing about the doc question to me is that statistically, virtually none of them have ever treated a kid with a gunshot wound.....but still, it's GOT to be high on the list of child killers, right? And besides, they're doctors.......so much smarter than you. Uh, technically I'm a doctor
I can see that as a question when you purchase homeowners insurance, though. Actually, now that I'm thinking of it, they should provide a discount if you can prove you own a gun safe/cabinet. They offer discounts for alarm systems, right? |
I know I'm an idiot - and I can provide references, if needed.| 2014-01-07 11:33 PM in reply to: idahocraig |
Master 3127  Sunny Southern Cal | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_Unintentional_Deaths_2010-a.pdf Traffic fatality appears to top the charts in most younger age groups. Unintentional poisonings were highest for most adults (medication / alcohol ?). So, depending on the age of your kids, the most relevant questions pertaining to unintentional death might be: 1) Do you have or ride in an automobile? 2) Do you have a swimming pool / bathtub? 3) Do you have any plastic bags or small objects at your house? 4) Then maybe do you have a gun? Top 4, but probably not top 1. I'm sure there's plenty of ways to slice and dice the statistics to get another half dozen questions on there, and change the order of the list to suit any particular agenda. |
| 2014-01-08 7:40 AM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by tuwood Originally posted by moondawg14 Originally posted by Left Brain "At home? Hey doc, I've got one right here!"
Bawaahahha! Our doctor asks if our kids wear bike helmets. Presence of guns is a "legitimate" health/safety concern. Proper storage is too. I want a doctor who is thorough and concerned. But they can stick that flyer where the sun don't shine. You can be thorough and concerned without being preachy. I'm not sure what a medical professional has to do with there being guns in the home. Also I'm not sure what a doctor has to do with how they're stored either. I guess I just don't get the connection. Yes, storing guns properly when children are in the home is a huge safety concern, it just seems to me like a doctor asking about it is like my plumber asking me how often my wife and I make "pizza". Well, depending on how backed up your pipes are........... You know about plumbers and wives, right? Bow-chicka-bow-bow In Virginia, when a doctor asks you if you have a gun, he will next invite you to join him at his tactical gun club. Edited by pga_mike 2014-01-08 7:42 AM |
| 2014-01-08 8:47 AM in reply to: SevenZulu |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by SevenZulu http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_Unintentional_Deaths_2010-a.pdf Traffic fatality appears to top the charts in most younger age groups. Unintentional poisonings were highest for most adults (medication / alcohol ?). So, depending on the age of your kids, the most relevant questions pertaining to unintentional death might be: 1) Do you have or ride in an automobile? 2) Do you have a swimming pool / bathtub? 3) Do you have any plastic bags or small objects at your house? 4) Then maybe do you have a gun? Top 4, but probably not top 1. I'm sure there's plenty of ways to slice and dice the statistics to get another half dozen questions on there, and change the order of the list to suit any particular agenda. Geez....my kids live in constant peril. |
| 2014-01-08 3:21 PM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
Master 2477 Oceanside, California | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Posting as a gun owner and educational psychologist. Didn't get the flyer, but the question was one of many on a questionnaire on common age-related develpomental milestones, warning signs, and risk factors. They did a follow-up question about being locked. I do remember that they asked about bike helmets. I found some online that were similar. They do ask about "childproofed homes" which should address the accidental poisoning point. They also ask about using sunscreen, pools, amount of time infront of the TV, floridated water, dentist visits, exposure to foriegn countries, exposure to potential lead poisoning, if they eat meat, risk for high cholesterol at age 2... Based on this it seems like a reasonable attempt to assess statistically known risk factors, and only the gun question has been deemed offensive (not that I hang out on vegan forums). Here are the questionairres. I had Kaiser in CA at the time, so it was probably one of these. http://mydoctor.kaiserpermanente.org/ncal/Images/5-36149_tcm28-7174... Here is another form. http://www.content.sutterhealth.org/ehr/pediatrics/questionaires/2y... The American Association of Pediatrics brochure "Your child is on the move; reduce the risk of gun injury" and usage guidance seems more educational than Anti-gun to me. http://www2.aap.org/connectedkids/samples/guninjury.htm |
| 2014-01-08 3:27 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Master 2477 Oceanside, California | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by SevenZulu http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_Unintentional_Deaths_2010-a.pdf Traffic fatality appears to top the charts in most younger age groups. Unintentional poisonings were highest for most adults (medication / alcohol ?). So, depending on the age of your kids, the most relevant questions pertaining to unintentional death might be: 1) Do you have or ride in an automobile? 2) Do you have a swimming pool / bathtub? 3) Do you have any plastic bags or small objects at your house? 4) Then maybe do you have a gun? Top 4, but probably not top 1. I'm sure there's plenty of ways to slice and dice the statistics to get another half dozen questions on there, and change the order of the list to suit any particular agenda. Geez....my kids live in constant peril. The ones that I reviewed did have questions (depending on age) about use of child seats in cars, child-proofing, supervision during bath time, pool ownership, age of home, and do you know the heimlich. We also have to remember the lowest common denomonator. If they don't educate a parent to not let their kids eat paint, especially from houses last painted in 1936... somewhere a child will die and the dr. will get sued. |
| 2014-01-08 3:35 PM in reply to: eabeam |
Master 2477 Oceanside, California | Subject: RE: Doctor asking if we own firearms The brochure titles remind me of the counselor's office in Glee. How do infants learn? Teaching good behavior. Tips on how to discipline. Pulling the plug on TV violence. Bullying is not ok. Drug abuse prevention starts with parents. Staying cool when things heat up. (anger management, not global warming.) Expect Respect. Healthy Relationships. Help stop teen suicide. |
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