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 2009-08-24 7:05 AM in reply to: #2365894 |
Bob  2194    Binghamton, NY |  Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol...To me the very best part of an IM is when I finally hit the wate! All the pre-race anxiety just melts away and I'm at peace with just me and the water. It would be a different experience to jump into a churning of bodies. ~Mike Even with a mass start you do have some control over how much "washing machine" you have to endure. You can start towards the back or outside and have pretty open water (at least until the turns). Even in the middle of the mess it's just you and 20 or 30 of your "friends" battling it out. |
| 2009-08-24 9:01 AM in reply to: #2365064 |
Champion 8766   Evergreen, Colorado | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Interesting. This is something I didn't know about IMKY. I think that they really need to come up with a set order to get everyone into the water. This whole "we'll open the line up and it's first come first served" thing is crap. All that is going to do is cause people (both those worried about the cutoff and those who don't want to start at the back even if they are fast) to get there stupid early. Along with all the other concerns like the urine soaked dock, etc. Set start order takes most of the "unfairness" out. As long as they advertise their cutoff time before people have to register (as in, they tell you up front that the time starts from when the first person enters) then they can really do whatever they want. But I would want to see the start order set versus it being a free for all. Maybe that's just the lazy person in me speaking...I wouldn't want to have to get up hours earlier just to get a good spot in line. And I also agree with Bryan that it sort of takes away the ability of people to self-sort and you will end up having a lot of faster folks swimming over slower folks. With a mass start people can kind of set themselves off to the back if they aren't fast. |
| 2009-08-24 11:51 AM in reply to: #2365064 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... What i read in the IMLouisville thread from one of the RD was that there is no where in any rules that it says you get 17hrs to finish the IM. It is always about finishing at 11:59:59. So they could reasonably start the race at 8 or 9 am if they wanted to. I'm not saying they should, but that was their response. The 17 hours just comes from the "normal" starting time of 7am, but 17hours itself isn't the limiter. You could feasably start the race at 6am and get 18 hours. That wouldn't be against the rules. Anyway that is what i got from what the race director said. |
| 2009-08-24 12:04 PM in reply to: #2366734 |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... ballyard7 - 2009-08-24 11:51 AM What i read in the IMLouisville thread from one of the RD was that there is no where in any rules that it says you get 17hrs to finish the IM. It is always about finishing at 11:59:59. So they could reasonably start the race at 8 or 9 am if they wanted to. I'm not saying they should, but that was their response. The 17 hours just comes from the "normal" starting time of 7am, but 17hours itself isn't the limiter. You could feasably start the race at 6am and get 18 hours. That wouldn't be against the rules. Anyway that is what i got from what the race director said.
M-dot has a 5 year contract with the city of Louisville to host the IM event. I'm guessing there is something in the contract that says acccommodations will be made to keep the roads open for bike traffic from A:00 to B:00 and to keep the roads blocked from C:00 to D:00. So I don't think they could just come back and say we're gonna move the start back by an hour....least not w/o renegotiating the contrat with Louisville. The swim start is in an estuary and starts from the marina. There are multiple boat slips and they could easily have 5 or 6 entry points to get everyone in the water. It's easy to arm-chair RD and come up with a lot of ideas and such but we don't see all the cards and don't know all the contraints they are under from the city of Louisville, their insurance providers, the Corps of Engineers, the Louisville PD, emergency services and Dominos pizza. :-) The race is what it is and the RD is under no obgligation to explain his descions to us. ~Mike |
| 2009-08-24 1:57 PM in reply to: #2366776 |
Champion 5615 | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Rogillio - 2009-08-24 1:04 PM ballyard7 - 2009-08-24 11:51 AM What i read in the IMLouisville thread from one of the RD was that there is no where in any rules that it says you get 17hrs to finish the IM. It is always about finishing at 11:59:59. So they could reasonably start the race at 8 or 9 am if they wanted to. I'm not saying they should, but that was their response. The 17 hours just comes from the "normal" starting time of 7am, but 17hours itself isn't the limiter. You could feasably start the race at 6am and get 18 hours. That wouldn't be against the rules. Anyway that is what i got from what the race director said.
M-dot has a 5 year contract with the city of Louisville to host the IM event. I'm guessing there is something in the contract that says acccommodations will be made to keep the roads open for bike traffic from A:00 to B:00 and to keep the roads blocked from C:00 to D:00. So I don't think they could just come back and say we're gonna move the start back by an hour....least not w/o renegotiating the contrat with Louisville. The swim start is in an estuary and starts from the marina. There are multiple boat slips and they could easily have 5 or 6 entry points to get everyone in the water. It's easy to arm-chair RD and come up with a lot of ideas and such but we don't see all the cards and don't know all the contraints they are under from the city of Louisville, their insurance providers, the Corps of Engineers, the Louisville PD, emergency services and Dominos pizza. :-) The race is what it is and the RD is under no obgligation to explain his descions to us. ~Mike or the crack dealers in the shady parts that you run through....  |
| 2009-08-24 2:24 PM in reply to: #2365064 |
Expert 1325 Findlay, OH | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... My question is how late can I start??? Can I just stand in front of the timing mat until the channel is clear? Will they force me in the water? After reading all the threads It could be interesting in the front of the line if anyone trys to hold a spot or cut there could be a riot! lol |
| 2009-08-24 2:32 PM in reply to: #2365877 |
Pro 4672 Nutmeg State | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... ejc999 - 2009-08-24 7:05 AM The athlete guide says they won't open transition or the line for the swim until 5:00 am. They said they don't want people spending the night at the race start. Ernie You don't have to go to transition before heading to the swim start. You rack your bike the night before and if your bottles, etc. are in your T1 bag you can do without entering transition before the race. Several people got to the swim start well beofre 5 a.m. last year. |
| 2009-08-24 4:10 PM in reply to: #2367255 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... razorxp - 2009-08-24 2:24 PM My question is how late can I start??? Can I just stand in front of the timing mat until the channel is clear? Will they force me in the water? After reading all the threads It could be interesting in the front of the line if anyone trys to hold a spot or cut there could be a riot! lol People held places last year for people... . while I'm sure that will always be a few people that can and will get upset about anything. it wasn't that big a deal It was different but nice to be able to stand around talking with people in line before the start. The person that was in charge of the swim start/timing mat last year post on ST and has mentioned a few times that their goal is to get people in the water and the day going. You could stand around all you want but they might start taking the mat down while you are waiting for the channel to clear, or if you are really that worried just jump in a tread water until it clears |
| 2009-08-24 4:12 PM in reply to: #2365894 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Rogillio - 2009-08-24 6:34 AM Rogillio - 2009-08-23 6:08 PM QUOTE]
~Mike
I guess the city of Louisville wants their streets back at midnight so they can send the volunteers home and send the cops to the donut shop. :-) . ~Mike that's pretty much it... the city basically said it needs to end at midnight,, |
| 2009-08-24 4:26 PM in reply to: #2367572 |
Expert 1325 Findlay, OH | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Gaarryy - 2009-08-24 5:10 PM razorxp - 2009-08-24 2:24 PM My question is how late can I start??? Can I just stand in front of the timing mat until the channel is clear? Will they force me in the water? After reading all the threads It could be interesting in the front of the line if anyone trys to hold a spot or cut there could be a riot! lol People held places last year for people... . while I'm sure that will always be a few people that can and will get upset about anything. it wasn't that big a deal It was different but nice to be able to stand around talking with people in line before the start. The person that was in charge of the swim start/timing mat last year post on ST and has mentioned a few times that their goal is to get people in the water and the day going. You could stand around all you want but they might start taking the mat down while you are waiting for the channel to clear, or if you are really that worried just jump in a tread water until it clears I'm just kidding around, I like swimming in a pack just not a fan of running or being run over going up the narrow channel. It's just fun to see how serious some are taking this swim start. We all have to swim 2.4 miles regarless if you go off pier 1, 2, 3, or 50. I can already see the arguements if person A goes off a pier 20 feet closer then person B off the last pier, who did a full IM?? LOL Good luck to all and stay safe. |
| 2009-08-24 8:00 PM in reply to: #2366129 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... jldicarlo - 2009-08-24 10:01 AM Interesting. This is something I didn't know about IMKY. I think that they really need to come up with a set order to get everyone into the water. This whole "we'll open the line up and it's first come first served" thing is crap. All that is going to do is cause people (both those worried about the cutoff and those who don't want to start at the back even if they are fast) to get there stupid early. Along with all the other concerns like the urine soaked dock, etc. Set start order takes most of the "unfairness" out. As long as they advertise their cutoff time before people have to register (as in, they tell you up front that the time starts from when the first person enters) then they can really do whatever they want. But I would want to see the start order set versus it being a free for all. Maybe that's just the lazy person in me speaking...I wouldn't want to have to get up hours earlier just to get a good spot in line. And I also agree with Bryan that it sort of takes away the ability of people to self-sort and you will end up having a lot of faster folks swimming over slower folks. With a mass start people can kind of set themselves off to the back if they aren't fast. X10. Those were also the points I was trying to make earlier. And I think you can be annoyed about it without being lazy. It has to do with not adding an unnecessary hassle and anxiety on top of what is already a difficult day. I've never seen the swim venue (soon to change...), so I don't know what is feasible (wave, mass), but I DO know that they could set an order in advance to avoid the waiting and uncertainty. In any case, I'm not STANDING in line, not prior to what will probably (fingers crossed!) be an 11-12 hour day. I'll just lie on the grass and watch the line, and when it gets low, I'll warm up then go jump in the river. Please don't pee on me. Edited by Experior 2009-08-24 8:02 PM |
| 2009-08-24 8:19 PM in reply to: #2367614 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... razorxp - 2009-08-24 4:26 PM Gaarryy - 2009-08-24 5:10 PM razorxp - 2009-08-24 2:24 PM My question is how late can I start??? Can I just stand in front of the timing mat until the channel is clear? Will they force me in the water? After reading all the threads It could be interesting in the front of the line if anyone trys to hold a spot or cut there could be a riot! lol People held places last year for people... . while I'm sure that will always be a few people that can and will get upset about anything. it wasn't that big a deal It was different but nice to be able to stand around talking with people in line before the start. The person that was in charge of the swim start/timing mat last year post on ST and has mentioned a few times that their goal is to get people in the water and the day going. You could stand around all you want but they might start taking the mat down while you are waiting for the channel to clear, or if you are really that worried just jump in a tread water until it clears I'm just kidding around, I like swimming in a pack just not a fan of running or being run over going up the narrow channel. It's just fun to see how serious some are taking this swim start. We all have to swim 2.4 miles regarless if you go off pier 1, 2, 3, or 50. I can already see the arguements if person A goes off a pier 20 feet closer then person B off the last pier, who did a full IM?? LOL Good luck to all and stay safe. It's narrow but not that narrow,, I remember remarking after the race last year that I get beat up more in the local race wave starts of 50-75 people back home. I don't think I got hit or had any contact till the turn around bouy when I came up on someone just treading water.. |
| 2009-08-25 6:34 AM in reply to: #2368019 |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Gaarryy - 2009-08-24 8:19 PM razorxp - 2009-08-24 4:26 PM Gaarryy - 2009-08-24 5:10 PM razorxp - 2009-08-24 2:24 PM My question is how late can I start??? Can I just stand in front of the timing mat until the channel is clear? Will they force me in the water? After reading all the threads It could be interesting in the front of the line if anyone trys to hold a spot or cut there could be a riot! lol People held places last year for people... . while I'm sure that will always be a few people that can and will get upset about anything. it wasn't that big a deal It was different but nice to be able to stand around talking with people in line before the start. The person that was in charge of the swim start/timing mat last year post on ST and has mentioned a few times that their goal is to get people in the water and the day going. You could stand around all you want but they might start taking the mat down while you are waiting for the channel to clear, or if you are really that worried just jump in a tread water until it clears I'm just kidding around, I like swimming in a pack just not a fan of running or being run over going up the narrow channel. It's just fun to see how serious some are taking this swim start. We all have to swim 2.4 miles regarless if you go off pier 1, 2, 3, or 50. I can already see the arguements if person A goes off a pier 20 feet closer then person B off the last pier, who did a full IM?? LOL Good luck to all and stay safe. It's narrow but not that narrow,, I remember remarking after the race last year that I get beat up more in the local race wave starts of 50-75 people back home. I don't think I got hit or had any contact till the turn around bouy when I came up on someone just treading water..
So there he was....just treading water...probably gasping to catch his breath...and you swim right up to him and whack him a good one?! Did you slap him in the head and say "Hey, get yer arse swimming! It's called a race!! Hello!?" ;-) ~Mike |
| 2009-08-25 6:39 AM in reply to: #2367978 |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Experior - 2009-08-24 8:00 PM jldicarlo - 2009-08-24 10:01 AM Interesting. This is something I didn't know about IMKY. I think that they really need to come up with a set order to get everyone into the water. This whole "we'll open the line up and it's first come first served" thing is crap. All that is going to do is cause people (both those worried about the cutoff and those who don't want to start at the back even if they are fast) to get there stupid early. Along with all the other concerns like the urine soaked dock, etc. Set start order takes most of the "unfairness" out. As long as they advertise their cutoff time before people have to register (as in, they tell you up front that the time starts from when the first person enters) then they can really do whatever they want. But I would want to see the start order set versus it being a free for all. Maybe that's just the lazy person in me speaking...I wouldn't want to have to get up hours earlier just to get a good spot in line. And I also agree with Bryan that it sort of takes away the ability of people to self-sort and you will end up having a lot of faster folks swimming over slower folks. With a mass start people can kind of set themselves off to the back if they aren't fast. X10. Those were also the points I was trying to make earlier. And I think you can be annoyed about it without being lazy. It has to do with not adding an unnecessary hassle and anxiety on top of what is already a difficult day. I've never seen the swim venue (soon to change...), so I don't know what is feasible (wave, mass), but I DO know that they could set an order in advance to avoid the waiting and uncertainty. In any case, I'm not STANDING in line, not prior to what will probably (fingers crossed!) be an 11-12 hour day. I'll just lie on the grass and watch the line, and when it gets low, I'll warm up then go jump in the river. Please don't pee on me.
I hate waiting in line. I'd rather shave my head with a cheese grater than wait in line. Nevertheless, I actually had a good time waiting. I had met up with a few other BTers and we got in line together, sat down on the sidewalk and had enjoyable conversation until the race started. BTW, once the line started moving, it moved pretty fast. ~Mike |
| 2009-08-25 6:55 AM in reply to: #2365064 |
Elite 3002 HURRICANE, Utah | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... For me I will need 16-17 hours to finish the race and I signed up with the understanding that I would have 17 hours to finish. Actually in the past 2 years atheletes have had over 17:30 to finish the race depending on where they were in the swim start line so when it is announced to you just 3 weeks before the race and after you have paid your entry fee that you may only have 16 hours to finish it then it starts to play a toll on your mind. Now I have another question to throw out there about the start with this weather and such being so crazy this year. I live 3 hours up the river from Louisville and the fog the past couple weeks each morning has been terrible and you cant see across the Ohio River.....so what happens on race day if the fog is so bad that they have to delay the start? It is currently 7:50am and you still cant see across the river here....... there are a ton of what if's but I have done a couple half ironmans in September throughout the years and due to the fog we have had major delays and this weather is more like Sept weather and not August at all. |
| 2009-08-25 8:06 AM in reply to: #2368432 |
Expert 1325 Findlay, OH | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Now I have another question to throw out there about the start with this weather and such being so crazy this year. I live 3 hours up the river from Louisville and the fog the past couple weeks each morning has been terrible and you cant see across the Ohio River.....so what happens on race day if the fog is so bad that they have to delay the start? It is currently 7:50am and you still cant see across the river here....... there are a ton of what if's but I have done a couple half ironmans in September throughout the years and due to the fog we have had major delays and this weather is more like Sept weather and not August at all. I would bet that the cutoff time would be even shorter. From what I gather all the permits are until Midnight. It sounds like the police & emt's are going to be off the course at that time. I would not worry about it because its just wasted energy. Control what you can control and you will be fine. |
| 2009-08-25 8:40 AM in reply to: #2368432 |
Expert 762 Missouri | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Jungle Jenn - 2009-08-25 6:55 AM For me I will need 16-17 hours to finish the race and I signed up with the understanding that I would have 17 hours to finish. Actually in the past 2 years atheletes have had over 17:30 to finish the race depending on where they were in the swim start line so when it is announced to you just 3 weeks before the race and after you have paid your entry fee that you may only have 16 hours to finish it then it starts to play a toll on your mind. Now I have another question to throw out there about the start with this weather and such being so crazy this year. I live 3 hours up the river from Louisville and the fog the past couple weeks each morning has been terrible and you cant see across the Ohio River.....so what happens on race day if the fog is so bad that they have to delay the start? It is currently 7:50am and you still cant see across the river here....... there are a ton of what if's but I have done a couple half ironmans in September throughout the years and due to the fog we have had major delays and this weather is more like Sept weather and not August at all. FOOOOGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 2009-08-25 8:51 AM in reply to: #2365064 |
Champion 10157 Alabama | Subject: RE: IMKY Start Protocol... Fog is good! It makes it really difficult for the man-eating catfish to see all the top-water bait swimming in the river! Obviously taper time! :-)
~Mike |
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