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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-07-25 7:43 AM If it's Fox News or MSNBC, absolutely NONE. I don't view these as even remotely credible news sources. Any other news organization I'm open to, I try to see and question how leaning the story or "facts" are. Local news is cr@p IMO. Don't like it, don't watch it (except for weather sometimes) and frankly think it's bush league, but that could be because my job and my interests are international. Anymore these days I mainly get my news from Local Business Journal, CNBC, the Economist, and then think tanks (personal favorite is Brookings Institute). Their leanings seem to offset each other pretty nicely. That's pretty much where I'm at too. I think it also depends a lot on the type of news. If it's a breaking story and all the media outlets are scrambling to be able to say they were the first to break the story you can be pretty sure most of what you're hearing is cr@p. If it's an in-depth investigative article or show (such as Frontline) I'll have much more confidence because you can be sure that it has been gone over with a fine toothed comb and fact checked to death. Not to say I'll believe it all 100% without question, but I'll have much more trust that they're presenting the facts in an honest way than an outlet with an obvious bias where they couldn't care less about the truth and are willing to twist or omit the facts to advance their agenda. Edited by drewb8 2012-07-25 9:19 AM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() hamiltks10 - 2012-07-25 9:01 AM This is how I feel. You can tell their bias not just by the way they report their stories ...but also just by looking at the stories that they choose to report. This is actually where media bias has a much bigger impact. It's not only HOW they report the news but WHAT subjects they deem "newsworthy". Why did the three major TV networks refuse to report even one word about the "Fast and Furious" scandal more than a year after it first came to light? No matter what your opinion of the subject, it seems a federally-run gun-walking program linked to the death of at least one federal agent seems like it's newsworthy. Why is it not a major story that the US Senate has not passed or even proposed a budget in more than three years? That's never happened before that the Senate has just refused to perform one of its primary duties. Why IS the Trayvon Martin case a major story when there are dozens of other cases out there of shootings involving possible racial motivations and controversy over "Stand Your Ground" and "Castle Doctrine" laws? Why are we not seeing more human interest stories right now of people who have simply given up on trying to find a job but we see plenty of stories about people who can't afford health care? The media decide what is NEWS and what isn't. They set the topics to be discussed and debated-- and which ones won't be. That is a TREMENDOUS power. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Goosedog - 2012-07-25 8:40 AM wgraves7582 - 2012-07-25 9:30 AM I do trust Paul and Phil and Bob though when it comes to European History during the TdF. Awesome.
You do realize they're reading almost all of that off fact sheets prepared by the Tour organizers, right? |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-07-25 9:43 AM If it's Fox News or MSNBC, absolutely NONE. I don't view these as even remotely credible news sources. Any other news organization I'm open to, I try to see and question how leaning the story or "facts" are. Local news is cr@p IMO. Don't like it, don't watch it (except for weather sometimes) and frankly think it's bush league, but that could be because my job and my interests are international. Anymore these days I mainly get my news from Local Business Journal, CNBC, the Economist, and then think tanks (personal favorite is Brookings Institute). Their leanings seem to offset each other pretty nicely. This American Life recently had an interesting piece on a company called "Journatic", that basically culls through all kinds of trivial records, has "writers" in the Philippines write them up, goes through "editors" in the US to make the grammar correct, and then goes back to local newspapers to be written up as the local news. Since neither the "writers" nor the "editors" reside anywhere near where the news/events occur, they have neither context nor investment in the reporting. I have no idea how widespread the practice is, but it made me pay more attention to the by-lines in the local paper. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-07-25 10:31 AM Goosedog - 2012-07-25 8:40 AM You do realize they're reading almost all of that off fact sheets prepared by the Tour organizers, right? wgraves7582 - 2012-07-25 9:30 AM I do trust Paul and Phil and Bob though when it comes to European History during the TdF. Awesome. Dude.
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wgraves7582 - 2012-07-25 9:30 AM I do trust Paul and Phil and Bob though when it comes to European History during the TdF. You mean like this year when Phil said that the castle was built in 620AD. "That's almost 2000 years old. Even more actually." |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Goosedog - 2012-07-25 9:46 AM scoobysdad - 2012-07-25 10:31 AM Goosedog - 2012-07-25 8:40 AM You do realize they're reading almost all of that off fact sheets prepared by the Tour organizers, right? wgraves7582 - 2012-07-25 9:30 AM I do trust Paul and Phil and Bob though when it comes to European History during the TdF. Awesome. Dude.
Sorry. I got the impression that some folks over in "The Peloton" forum actually believed Phil and Paul were leading authorities on French history and the gothic architecture of medieval cathedrals throughout the Languedoc. |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-07-25 8:02 AM rayd - 2012-07-25 8:19 AM I especially don't trust CNBC and all their talking heads talking about the economy, banks and wallstreet. However, there must be some trust there for some people because they continue to have a following and are keeping their jobs. Not looking for an argument, but seriously curious as to why not? They spit out stats like it's a baseball game and typically have a righty, a lefty, and a moderator. Granted all stats are open to interpretation, but 1) they don't typically pull out obscure stats or metrics, it's pretty much what everyone uses as metrics for decision making and 2) I've only found them lean toward business, but that's kind of an obvious given, it's pretty easy for me to separate out that hoopla. Asking because I don't mind getting schooled. Sure, they will throw out numbers and charts like there is no tomorrow. I can easily get this information on my own with little effort. What I am referring to is reporting of the Wallstreet crisis, LIBOR, the Fed, etc. Why hasn't the media asked the hard questions? Why are they not demanding a full investigation of big banks and the wallstreet crisis and holding people accountable. It's been swept under the rug by the government and the media seems fine with letting it go. Personally, I'm still mad as hell about it! |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-07-25 8:28 AM hamiltks10 - 2012-07-25 9:01 AM This is actually where media bias has a much bigger impact. It's not only HOW they report the news but WHAT subjects they deem "newsworthy". Why did the three major TV networks refuse to report even one word about the "Fast and Furious" scandal more than a year after it first came to light? No matter what your opinion of the subject, it seems a federally-run gun-walking program linked to the death of at least one federal agent seems like it's newsworthy. Why is it not a major story that the US Senate has not passed or even proposed a budget in more than three years? That's never happened before that the Senate has just refused to perform one of its primary duties. Why IS the Trayvon Martin case a major story when there are dozens of other cases out there of shootings involving possible racial motivations and controversy over "Stand Your Ground" and "Castle Doctrine" laws? Why are we not seeing more human interest stories right now of people who have simply given up on trying to find a job but we see plenty of stories about people who can't afford health care? The media decide what is NEWS and what isn't. They set the topics to be discussed and debated-- and which ones won't be. That is a TREMENDOUS power. This is how I feel. You can tell their bias not just by the way they report their stories ...but also just by looking at the stories that they choose to report. very good points! |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Just as the level of personal accountability has deminished in our Country, so has the accountabilty of the Press. Used to be you had a level of professional pride among journalists to avoid personal opinion and maintain a bit of subjectivity to whatever they were covering. Seems to me that now that is sacrificed for the first to report "breaking news" and drawing traffic to their newscasts or on-line followers. Now I knwo mistakes will be made, but when is the lat time you heard a reporter who got it wrong recant their story and apologize? I have not in a very long time. For example: ABC's Brian Ross reporting that the Colorado shooter was member of local Tea Party. His proof, someone with same name listed on their membership roles. No further research needed to verify I guess. Ended up beign different person with same name. oops... But the risk/reward of getting the sensationalism out there ahead of facts is too great I guess.
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cardenas1 - 2012-07-25 10:22 AM Just as the level of personal accountability has deminished in our Country, so has the accountabilty of the Press. Used to be you had a level of professional pride among journalists to avoid personal opinion and maintain a bit of subjectivity to whatever they were covering. Seems to me that now that is sacrificed for the first to report "breaking news" and drawing traffic to their newscasts or on-line followers. Now I knwo mistakes will be made, but when is the lat time you heard a reporter who got it wrong recant their story and apologize? I have not in a very long time. For example: ABC's Brian Ross reporting that the Colorado shooter was member of local Tea Party. His proof, someone with same name listed on their membership roles. No further research needed to verify I guess. Ended up beign different person with same name. oops... But the risk/reward of getting the sensationalism out there ahead of facts is too great I guess.
Great point. To which I'll add... does anyone really care which reporter or news outlet was the FIRST to report a fact, besides maybe the press corps itself? Does anyone remember or care who was the first to report the name of the shooter or the fact his apartment was booby trapped? Who cares? Great, Mr. Reporter, you did your job. Congratulations. To everyone outside your little circle, the best reporter is the one who gets the verifiable facts correct, not the ones who get the unsubstantiated non-facts first. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cardenas1 - 2012-07-25 10:22 AM Just as the level of personal accountability has deminished in our Country, so has the accountabilty of the Press. Used to be you had a level of professional pride among journalists to avoid personal opinion and maintain a bit of subjectivity to whatever they were covering. Seems to me that now that is sacrificed for the first to report "breaking news" and drawing traffic to their newscasts or on-line followers. Now I knwo mistakes will be made, but when is the lat time you heard a reporter who got it wrong recant their story and apologize? I have not in a very long time. For example: ABC's Brian Ross reporting that the Colorado shooter was member of local Tea Party. His proof, someone with same name listed on their membership roles. No further research needed to verify I guess. Ended up beign different person with same name. oops... But the risk/reward of getting the sensationalism out there ahead of facts is too great I guess.
First, I will say this about ABC's mess-up in Colorado. Pretty bad but they DID apologize: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/abc-news-tea-party-conn... Second, as a member of the media who works for a financial news company, I can honestly say I report the facts and only the facts as outlined by our company policy. We `show' and don't `tell' a story using factual data from government and private sources, all very trustworthy and verified, to show our story. But we're a little more well-respected than most news companies, I guess. The Nancy Graces and Rush Limbaughs and Michael Moores of the world are not newspeople and anybody who thinks they are is drinking the kool-aid. The world loves that crap, though, so the TV stations are going to keep having them on as long as people are watching. |
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Sensei![]() | ![]() I haven't read any of the other posts... BUT, I trust that media (espescially social media) tell us when things are happening better than ever. I can find out just about anything now. But I also trust that most have an agenda (gone or the days of unbiased news reporting, IMO). AND I trust that media spin stories or teasers to scare us. The glorify the titalating, the violent, the scary to get our attention. It's about rating, not information anymore. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bradleyd3 - 2012-07-25 9:48 AM http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/source-lied-york-times-holiday-... I don't trust that article. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() mr2tony - 2012-07-25 10:37 AM cardenas1 - 2012-07-25 10:22 AM Just as the level of personal accountability has deminished in our Country, so has the accountabilty of the Press. Used to be you had a level of professional pride among journalists to avoid personal opinion and maintain a bit of subjectivity to whatever they were covering. Seems to me that now that is sacrificed for the first to report "breaking news" and drawing traffic to their newscasts or on-line followers. Now I knwo mistakes will be made, but when is the lat time you heard a reporter who got it wrong recant their story and apologize? I have not in a very long time. For example: ABC's Brian Ross reporting that the Colorado shooter was member of local Tea Party. His proof, someone with same name listed on their membership roles. No further research needed to verify I guess. Ended up beign different person with same name. oops... But the risk/reward of getting the sensationalism out there ahead of facts is too great I guess.
First, I will say this about ABC's mess-up in Colorado. Pretty bad but they DID apologize: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/abc-news-tea-party-conn... It's interesting that neither Brian Ross nor ABC ever apologized on the air, but simply in a printed statement released well after Ross' report was shown to be false. You'd think if they made a false report on the air, they would apologize on the air. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-07-25 9:28 AMThe media decide what is NEWS and what isn't. They set the topics to be discussed and debated-- and which ones won't be. That is a TREMENDOUS power. Scoob, I thought you were a capitalist? You know the news prints/shows what stories are consumed the most. WE, the people, set the news. If WE consumed more of what you talk about and less of the other, then "main stream" media would cover it. I agree about the budget stuff, I really want to know why they haven't. But frankly I don't care about Trayvon so I don't watch it. Seems to me you vote with your eyes as far as media is concerned. Just like in business you vote with your wallet. What business model do you choose to support. Unfortunately the vast majority of ding-a-lings apparently care about Trayvon it would seem. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() scoobysdad - 2012-07-25 10:44 AM mr2tony - 2012-07-25 10:37 AM cardenas1 - 2012-07-25 10:22 AM Just as the level of personal accountability has deminished in our Country, so has the accountabilty of the Press. Used to be you had a level of professional pride among journalists to avoid personal opinion and maintain a bit of subjectivity to whatever they were covering. Seems to me that now that is sacrificed for the first to report "breaking news" and drawing traffic to their newscasts or on-line followers. Now I knwo mistakes will be made, but when is the lat time you heard a reporter who got it wrong recant their story and apologize? I have not in a very long time. For example: ABC's Brian Ross reporting that the Colorado shooter was member of local Tea Party. His proof, someone with same name listed on their membership roles. No further research needed to verify I guess. Ended up beign different person with same name. oops... But the risk/reward of getting the sensationalism out there ahead of facts is too great I guess.
First, I will say this about ABC's mess-up in Colorado. Pretty bad but they DID apologize: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/abc-news-tea-party-conn... It's interesting that neither Brian Ross nor ABC ever apologized on the air, but simply in a printed statement released well after Ross' report was shown to be false. You'd think if they made a false report on the air, they would apologize on the air. I couldn't agree more. As a journalist I find it appalling at what passes for `news' these days. Bloggers and twitterers and the like are given carte blanche when it comes to reporting the news and more often than not they're just people who happen to be nearby when something happens, or they do have an agenda. When someone posts a story from a website called `OBAMAISTHEBEST.org' or something, I just skip right over it because I can already tell you what it's going to say. The thing people need to think about is the source. If it's a reputable news company that gets it right all the time then you can trust them. Mistakes will happen, though factual mistakes should never happen, they still do, but if you watch MSNBC or Fox News and think you're getting unbiased news, then you need to adjust your thinking. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rayd - 2012-07-25 10:06 AM jgaither - 2012-07-25 8:02 AM rayd - 2012-07-25 8:19 AM I especially don't trust CNBC and all their talking heads talking about the economy, banks and wallstreet. However, there must be some trust there for some people because they continue to have a following and are keeping their jobs. Not looking for an argument, but seriously curious as to why not? They spit out stats like it's a baseball game and typically have a righty, a lefty, and a moderator. Granted all stats are open to interpretation, but 1) they don't typically pull out obscure stats or metrics, it's pretty much what everyone uses as metrics for decision making and 2) I've only found them lean toward business, but that's kind of an obvious given, it's pretty easy for me to separate out that hoopla. Asking because I don't mind getting schooled. Sure, they will throw out numbers and charts like there is no tomorrow. I can easily get this information on my own with little effort. What I am referring to is reporting of the Wallstreet crisis, LIBOR, the Fed, etc. Why hasn't the media asked the hard questions? Why are they not demanding a full investigation of big banks and the wallstreet crisis and holding people accountable. It's been swept under the rug by the government and the media seems fine with letting it go. Personally, I'm still mad as hell about it! ok, yeah. I don't think you're going to get that from CNBC. I agree. That's part of the business lean I was referring to. I guess I just take them for what I know they are... statisticians (IMO). |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jgaither - 2012-07-25 10:50 AM scoobysdad - 2012-07-25 9:28 AMThe media decide what is NEWS and what isn't. They set the topics to be discussed and debated-- and which ones won't be. That is a TREMENDOUS power. Scoob, I thought you were a capitalist? You know the news prints/shows what stories are consumed the most. WE, the people, set the news. If WE consumed more of what you talk about and less of the other, then "main stream" media would cover it. I agree about the budget stuff, I really want to know why they haven't. But frankly I don't care about Trayvon so I don't watch it. Seems to me you vote with your eyes as far as media is concerned. Just like in business you vote with your wallet. What business model do you choose to support. Unfortunately the vast majority of ding-a-lings apparently care about Trayvon it would seem. How can people "consume" stories they don't even know exist? The people don't determine the news. They rabidly devour the sensationalized, dramatized versions of cherry-picked stories the mainstream media deem important or interesting, according to the storylines they wish to see play out. It's reality TV on the grandest scale, wrapped in the pretense of "serious, objective reporting". It's Froot Loops marketed as Cheerios. It would be interesting, however, if a truly objective (or one that at least attempted to be) investigative news network could make it in the marketplace. One that devoted hours to complex topics like ACA, the economy and constitutional issues. It seems like there would be at least a critical mass of news junkies out there to sustain it, and its success might have a real impact on other news outlets. These days there's a cable network devoted to everything from independent films to rerun reality tv to classic sports... why not one for unsensationalized, in-depth American-based journalism? |
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