NYC proposes ban on sale of oversized sodas, sugary drinks (Page 2)

Exactly.

I don't blame him for what he's doing, although it is illegal and that's a problem.
The real issue is that he is inconsistent.

But he's young still. He'll learn.

New York is my home state. I also use to live in NYC.
I love both places, but the politics of the state and the city are ruining both.

Just returned from a long weekend fishing trip to the St. Lawrence River in upstate NY, 1000 Islands area.
My brother and I have been going there since we were kids, and now we take our own kids.

My brother and I both live in Pennsylvania now.
He's interested in buying a vacation home up there, but the taxes are outrageous for the property value.
So he's reluctant to do so.

So that's like not liking something in a state and moving. Except in this case it keeps him from moving back into the state.

New York's motto is The Empire State.
Not so much anymore.

Upstate New York is rich in natural beauty. It's a wonderful place as long as you like winter. For myself, nothing can beat the Adirondacks. There is a longstanding built up infrastructure including top notch educational institutions. I miss living there.

Yet the entire upstate area is economically depressed.

Why? 

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What's mind numbing to me about this, as well as things like the plastic bag issue in LA (I'm also a former SF California resident), is that it seems these are the things at the top of the list in states like NY and CA, states which are facing fiscal disasters.

Meanwhile, from what I've read Scott Walker's initiatives in WI have brought about real fiscal change that will be for the long term benefit of WI residents. And for that he's vilified.

Someone please explain all of this to me.
I don't understand. 

^^Great idea!

The smaller drinks size is for restaurants, sporting venues, theaters, etc. This is awesome for them! Now instead of paying $8 for a super size, you can pay $5 for 16 oz and buy 3, hello double profit! 

I wonder if my young socialist friend will start smugling in 20oz cokes and sell them from under his coat while standing near the street carts.

If so, Washington Square will become the place to score contraband cigarettes and sodas in NYC!

Sure this is a good idea because I can't wait to see 2 and 3xl people stuffing themselves into xl clothes.  

Tri Take Me Away and I had this conversation earlier. 

1.  It's not the governments role so I prefer them to stay out of it. 

2.  I wouldn't oppose them taxing the heck out of big gulps or things like this.

She made an awesome point.  We are a FAT nation.  And growing FATTER each year.  Maybe if we use taxes as a disincentive for such behavior then we can attack the obesity and debt problem at the same time.  Win-win!!! We know many wouldn't change their behavior.  At least we would be a fat and wealthy country.  That's better than fat and broke. 

It was only a half way serious discussion. 

im mixed on this.  i don't think its any of the city's business if someone wants to commit nutritional suicide, but on the other hand, my healthcare costs go up continually because some people don't understand that you can't drink a 32oz soda at every meal.

i would want to see some evidence that this would have a real positive impact on the city's populace.

I think your halfway there.  We should incentivize people to be healthy.  You can do this by giving discounts on things to people who are healthy.  

Using health insurance as an example, let me have 25-30% off for being healthy.  Kind of like a safe driver discount.  Those with more risk pay more.  (Of course this would just lead to more people not getting insurance, so eventually my rates would rise to cover all those people. But I digress).

What about for behavior that results in STDs?

I watched "Weight of the Nation" on HBO.  Pretty eye opening.  I'm typically the "less government" the better kind of guy.  I don't think you legislate what people want to do with their lives, if they are not  hurting anyone...  We don't need a bunch of laws to protect us from ourselves.

HOWEVER...  the documentary started discussing the cost impacts to our nation, due to obesity and the health results (diabets, heart issues, etc) that result from it...  I don't want the government to protect those from themselves, but I DO think the government should protect ME from THEM.  I used to think that they are just hurting themselves.  But when insurance rates go up for everyone, business losses (in the BILLIONS per year) due to lost efficiency from obesity, etc.  Who pays for that?  ME, even if I'm not doing it.

I would think a high tax on high calorie drinks is a better idea than just a flat out ban - just like cigarettes.  It doesn't stop anyone from buying it, but it costs them.  And then at least there is money coming in.  GRANTED, I'm usually opposed to taxes, because the money gets wasted..  So it's also a catch 22.

I just know something has to be done or this nation is going to have some SERIOUS issues.

As someone else mentioned, I doubt this will go through. Hopefully the discussion will get people thinking about the wisdom of drinking over 500 calories of soda at once. I honestly have never once ordered one of those things.

Probably the only thing I like about the proposal is from a waste management/environmental angle. In a city that huge, it might have a slight impact.

What about for behavior that results in STDs?

What about for behavior that results in any sort of doctor/hospital visit/treatment? Like, say, a bike wreck? 

I agree with you 100%.  In my fantasy world, that is what the government and corporations would do...incentivize behavior.  But in my cynical real world, I know that would require evil corporations to forgo extra profits.  And that isn't happening.  Sigh. 

Like this doesn't happen all the time already.  Well, at least here in the Vegas clubs.  I think it's funny to see girls pulling down their dresses all night as they ride up just moving around.