Arguments against enhanced interrogation make no sense (Page 2)

So the entire basis of your argument is an ad hominem.  The post itself is well thought out and posits a serious point of view about a significant issue.  I'm not surprised that people who disagree have to sink to ad hominems because they usually can't think of a logical response.  It is tendency #1 of people who are wrong but can't admit it, they attack the person and not the idea.

No I have another account but I would rather not divulge it.  When you say something that is logically true but sounds bad people tend to demonize you even if they can't think of one reason why you are wrong.  

Richard Mourdock is in some ways an example of this.  Some Jews say that the Holocaust was allowed to happen because God was testing them.  The theory is that people are given free will and sometimes God will intervene and sometimes he will not.  His plan was to create a world where people are given these choices.  Sometimes they will make terrible choices such as rape and murder.  Sometimes God will intervene and sometimes he will test your faith.  

Mourdock's comments were insensitive but I don't see how they are out of line with the religious beliefs of tens if not hundreds of millions of people.  I'm an atheist so I obviously don't agree with him but that is besides the point.

The point is that even if you say something that is logically true people will still unfairly demonize you for it.  

Re-regs are not legal on this site. 

Well my hypothesis is that when people are wrong and their beliefs are challenged they will ignore the topic or attack the speaker.  So far the study has yielded positive results.

Oh so you're just breaking rules #8 and #10.  Yeah we're all about those ad-hominem attacks.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=2192&printer=1

So you respond by attacking me? I didn't say anything whatsoever about the topic, merely pointed out why you are being called a troll.

Personally I'm against it because I believe we should treat our POW/enemy combatants the way we would want our troops to be treated. If we say it's okay, then that means it's okay for them to torture our guys as well.

You do realize that so far no one has attacked you right, trust me if they wanted to demonize you they would have.  They just pointed out that you just set up an account to post on a controversial topic to get people stirred up.  Is that not exactly what you did?  That was exactly your purpose and that means you are trolling.

I did not know this, can you post where the rule is listed?

Maybe I hurt his feelings.  How about a 2/10?

Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 11:53 AM If you want a real discussion, post up with your normal account. If not, be prepared, the CoJ BS machine is mighty efficient!

And fairly non partisan.

No I set up this thread because I have a strong belief about this issue.  I have a strong argument and whenever I have brought this upin an informal or academic setting I have have had people disagree with me but they can never give a reason.  They will say enhanced interrogation isn't effective because people will lie, then I give the coutnerargument and they are stumped. I just fundamentally can't understand how so many people believe something that seems to have no logical basis.  Once again, I disagree with but understand some of the ethical arguments but the arguments against efficacy are baffling.

-Calling someone a troll is an attack on them

-I posted on this account name so as to not be demonized in real life, not online.  

-I couldn't care less about getting people "stirred up" I just actually enjoy discussing issues especially when I am in the minority and the majority argument seems to make no sense.  I have read numerous news articles and op eds on the subject and they all have the same tired argument that people will just lie which is a terrible argument against enhanced interrogation.

Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 10:53 AM If you want a real discussion, post up with your normal account. If not, be prepared, the CoJ BS machine is mighty efficient!

I know people on this website in real life and since people will demonize you for your positions even if you are right I prefer not to post on my real account.  Look at what happened to Mourdock.  John Yoo is harassed regularly at Berkley for his well reasoned positions on national security law. I prefer not to have that happen to me.  

There is a legal difference between enhanced interrogation and torture.  We subject our own troops to enhanced interrogation, we would not/could not legally subject them to torture.

I don't have a list but I'm sure you could google it.  The ones I can think of off the top of my head are loud noises, waterboarding, stress positions, sensory deprivation, and sleep deprivation.

Hotshotnidaleegg - 2012-11-08 11:12 AM

Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 10:53 AM If you want a real discussion, post up with your normal account. If not, be prepared, the CoJ BS machine is mighty efficient!

I know people on this website in real life and since people will demonize you for your positions even if you are right I prefer not to post on my real account.  Look at what happened to Mourdock.  John Yoo is harassed regularly at Berkley for his well reasoned positions on national security law. I prefer not to have that happen to me.  

So you are ok breaking the rules of the voluntary website because it will affect your life?  You have a choice.  Either post under your account about this topic or not post about the topic.  Them's is the rules.

If you want to have a discussion like a grown up then own your beliefs.  but if it looks like a duck (troll) Quacks like a duck (troll) and waddles like a duck (troll) then it is probably a duck (troll).  Do not be surprised when you get treated like a duck when you have acted like one.

Have you considered that they have a point?  Yes at some point they will break but how many wild goose chases is one supposed to go on to find that breaking point.  Is that really efficient?  If your answer is to get the ultimate info at any and all costs then it is probably the most "efficient" within those parameters.  If your argument is to get the most reliable information then no it is not the most "efficient".  It may be the most effective but not the most efficient.

I'm the only one talking about a serious issue, it is obviously you guys who are trolling.  I posted a well reasoned well thought out response to a serious issue.  If you find a well reasoned challenge to your beliefs to be inflammatory I suggest you think long and hard about that.  We are afraid to have serious discussions about issues in this country.  We can't deal with issues like social security and the debt because if politicians say anything substantive the other side will unfairly demonize their position.

 It is sad that a serious comment about an important issue is immediately regarded as a "troll post"  I fear for the future of American discourse.  

Snert. Now if only I wasn't a hippie commie liberal I'd be perfect, right?

You're OK too, for a redneck rower

Hotshotnidaleegg - 2012-11-08 10:12 AM

Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 10:53 AM If you want a real discussion, post up with your normal account. If not, be prepared, the CoJ BS machine is mighty efficient!

I know people on this website in real life and since people will demonize you for your positions even if you are right I prefer not to post on my real account.  Look at what happened to Mourdock.  John Yoo is harassed regularly at Berkley for his well reasoned positions on national security law. I prefer not to have that happen to me.  

Maybe they're not really your friends then if this is enough for them to demonize you.

Wow, is trinnas the only one who knows the punch line? An what does that tell u about her?

x Agazillion!

crowny2 - 2012-11-08 11:19 AM

Hotshotnidaleegg - 2012-11-08 11:12 AM

Aarondb4 - 2012-11-08 10:53 AM If you want a real discussion, post up with your normal account. If not, be prepared, the CoJ BS machine is mighty efficient!

I know people on this website in real life and since people will demonize you for your positions even if you are right I prefer not to post on my real account.  Look at what happened to Mourdock.  John Yoo is harassed regularly at Berkley for his well reasoned positions on national security law. I prefer not to have that happen to me.  

So you are ok breaking the rules of the voluntary website because it will affect your life?  You have a choice.  Either post under your account about this topic or not post about the topic.  Them's is the rules.

It's not really voluntary if I didn't know those were the rules.  Please tell me where I can find the rules.

Rules.

And ignorance of the law is no excuse.