Can someone explain Mike Hackabee to me? (Page 2)
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![]() JBrashear - 2008-01-04 10:57 AM He likes jesus. Other people like jesus too. He wants more people to like jesus. Other people want more people to like jesus too. Oh and you can vote for him.
That's probably a pretty fair statement, sadly. |
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![]() | ![]() wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 10:01 AM PS- not all Christians discount evolution, and evolution and creation do not have to be mutually exclusive. At least I don't think so. That's exactly what Huckabee said in the 2nd YouTube link on this thread. Something like... whether the world was created in 6 days representing 6 actual days or 6 thousand years... I don't know. He stands by his opinion that God did it either way. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() He's run a couple of marathon and lost alot of weight. Edited by BellinghamSpence 2008-01-04 10:18 AM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 11:01 AM I don't know much about the dude either, but I honestly do not think the country needs someone who may be so religously charged. I'd have preferred Romney, honestly - blah blah, he's Mormon and Christians are against Mormons, but come on, we've already done the "let's bomb the Arabs in the name of Jesus" thing with Bush and look how that turned out...we don't need that again. I go to church and consider myself a Christian, though I am of a more liberal variety than the average Huckabee supporter is, I'm sure. Which worries me because if it comes down to a Conservative Christian or an African-American Democrat, Obama is totally screwed...which says a lot about the sad state of this country. PS- not all Christians discount evolution, and evolution and creation do not have to be mutually exclusive. At least I don't think so. Not sure about your logic. Have you ever thought that maybe Obama is screwed because people disagree with his agenda? You gotta love a candidate who isn't afraid to stick to his guns & isn't afraid to take his christian beliefs into the race. If you don't like it, you don't have to vote for him, simple as that. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 10:01 AM we've already done the "let's bomb the Arabs in the name of Jesus" I don't follow the news very closely so I'm unfamiliar with this story. Can you link me to something where we bombed anyone "in the name of Jesus"? I'd really like to read it. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() run4yrlif - 2008-01-04 8:40 AM Here's my take: "Evangelical Christians" (whatever that means) are supporting Huckabee because he's not Mormon. I'd add to that "...and he's pro-life, and he's not a democrat." |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 11:06 AM JBrashear - 2008-01-04 10:57 AM He likes jesus. Other people like jesus too. He wants more people to like jesus. Other people want more people to like jesus too. Oh and you can vote for him.
That's probably a pretty fair statement, sadly. I find that perplexing from someone who indicates they are a christian. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I think it's more that he doesn't seem like the usual politician. I think the election on both sides is going to come down to the fact that a lot of people just don't think the government works very well and they want someone that is at least perceived as different. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() pinktrigal - 2008-01-04 11:31 AM wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 11:06 AM JBrashear - 2008-01-04 10:57 AM He likes jesus. Other people like jesus too. He wants more people to like jesus. Other people want more people to like jesus too. Oh and you can vote for him.
That's probably a pretty fair statement, sadly. I find that perplexing from someone who indicates they are a christian. In his job as a minister it's not perplexing, it's perfectly normal. The job description of president does not include getting people to believe in Jesus. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() pinktrigal - 2008-01-04 10:19 AM wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 11:01 AM I don't know much about the dude either, but I honestly do not think the country needs someone who may be so religously charged. I'd have preferred Romney, honestly - blah blah, he's Mormon and Christians are against Mormons, but come on, we've already done the "let's bomb the Arabs in the name of Jesus" thing with Bush and look how that turned out...we don't need that again. I go to church and consider myself a Christian, though I am of a more liberal variety than the average Huckabee supporter is, I'm sure. Which worries me because if it comes down to a Conservative Christian or an African-American Democrat, Obama is totally screwed...which says a lot about the sad state of this country. PS- not all Christians discount evolution, and evolution and creation do not have to be mutually exclusive. At least I don't think so. Not sure about your logic. Have you ever thought that maybe Obama is screwed because people disagree with his agenda? You gotta love a candidate who isn't afraid to stick to his guns & isn't afraid to take his christian beliefs into the race. If you don't like it, you don't have to vote for him, simple as that. There was just a discussion yesterday on another thread about how Iowa is so racially non-diverse that there was no way that they could represent the countries views on an ethnic level. Then - those idiot Iowans (I live in Des Moines and don't know how to use the sarcasm font) went ahead and selected an African-American Democrat. Point being - let's try to give people a little more credit than that. I sat there yesterday reading about how Iowans were not savvy enough to select a good candidate and shouldn't have the pull that they have for this reason or that. We leave the Iowa Caucuses with Huckabee and Obama showing strong and Clinton needing to actually define her positions better (that was the overwhelming majority reason of the people in our area that changed from Clinton to Edwards or Obama). To me - that is a good thing - the money game is suspended for a time and we try and get people to talk about serious stands on issues. (Sorry about the slight hijack there) |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I understand people admire the ability to stand up for one's beliefs, but maybe I'm naive, because I think it shouldn't play a role in politics...Some might say this goes either way (that he has a right to announce his beliefs and defend them, etc.), but I think religion is meant to remain private and should not hold any bearing on who is most qualified to run this country. Tommy's rollin' over in his grave. A can of worms. Founding Father, take it away: "Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to God alone. I inquire after no man's, and trouble none with mine." --Thomas Jefferson to Miles King, 1814. "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."--Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802 "Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination."--Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() swishyskirt - 2008-01-04 10:41 AM I understand people admire the ability to stand up for one's beliefs, but maybe I'm naive, because I think it shouldn't play a role in politics...Some might say this goes either way (that he has a right to announce his beliefs and defend them, etc.), but I think religion is meant to remain private and should not hold any bearing on who is most qualified to run this country. I agree that the presidential election could objectively occur without the introduction of the specific faiths of the individual candidates. What I have trouble figuring out is who's pushing for the religion thing to be played up more, the candidates or the media? I just read an article last night outlining the winners and non-winners [Not sure we can call anyone a "loser" specifically at this point in the game] and EVERY statement regarding Huckabee or Romney had the words "Christian", "evangelical", or "born-again" attached to it. So I'm not really sure who's leading the charge in making sure we're aware that the republican candidates are of a particular faith or not. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm not a church going guy, and still don't understand the paranoia with respect to electing a candidate that has strong religious beliefs. It's not like the prez drafts and enacts laws to fit their beliefs. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bripod - 2008-01-04 10:24 AM We bombed the Arabs in the name of Jesus? Aww man!! Here all this time I was lead to believe that it was for oil and to line Halliburton's pockets. Boy did I miss that one!!Seriously, I can't believe that people go on thinking this way!wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 10:01 AMwe've already done the "let's bomb the Arabs in the name of Jesus" I don't follow the news very closely so I'm unfamiliar with this story. Can you link me to something where we bombed anyone "in the name of Jesus"? I'd really like to read it. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() leapdog - 2008-01-04 12:10 PM I'm not a church going guy, and still don't understand the paranoia with respect to electing a candidate that has strong religious beliefs. It's not like the prez drafts and enacts laws to fit their beliefs. I agree with this statement UNLESS the candidate starts talking about their beliefs all the time and MAKES it a part of the election process. Then I start to get a little uncomfortable. They shouldn't even bring it up! I much prefer them saying it's nobody's business and has no relevance to how good a president they would be. But then again, I'm on the "inside" as a member of the Evil Empire that is the news media. And I agree, we make it an issue. And the candidates talk about it. And then we bring it up again. And then the candidates address it again.... It's a chicken and egg thing, I think...Ad nauseum. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The fact he's a marathon runner and knows how to commit and plan for 26.2 appeals to me. If he starts mandating that all kids become runners...now that's a problem. |
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Buttercup ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() run4yrlif - 2008-01-04 9:40 AM Here's my take: "Evangelical Christians" (whatever that means) are supporting Huckabee because he's not Mormon. I think Jim hit the nail on the head with this succinct analysis. There is no shortage of Christians in the country who make no bones about their distaste for Mormons and the fact that they use a religious test (vote Christian only) when casting their vote. Use the forum search feature for past discussions of this topic. Huckabee's blatant message to Christians is "I'm not coming to you for your support; I come from you." Meaning, he is one of them (and Romney is not). Also, Huckabee excels at the 'aw shucks' persona and he seems to have a good sense of humor (good at difusing attacks). If Huckabee actually wins the GOP nomination, it will be a political masterstroke because there are many old guard Republicans who foam at the mouth at Huckabee's policies when he was the Arkansas governor. He's got a tough fight ahead of him. Limbaugh came out swinging against him yesterday. I'm sure the dog pile will soon commence. Edited by Renee 2008-01-04 11:45 AM |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() wildee - 2008-01-04 11:12 AM Bripod - 2008-01-04 10:24 AM We bombed the Arabs in the name of Jesus? Aww man!! Here all this time I was lead to believe that it was for oil and to line Halliburton's pockets. Boy did I miss that one!!Seriously, I can't believe that people go on thinking this way!wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 10:01 AMwe've already done the "let's bomb the Arabs in the name of Jesus" I don't follow the news very closely so I'm unfamiliar with this story. Can you link me to something where we bombed anyone "in the name of Jesus"? I'd really like to read it.Jesus owns 15% of Halliburton's stock. 2 birds, 1 stone, etc. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Didn't GW get elected because people thought he a was down to earth regular joe? I don't understand why people want someone who is a regular Joe in the white house. I would want someone serious how knows what is going on and isn't going to mess up my country and the rest of the world. You are electing the president of the most powerful country on the planet who cares if he appears to be middle class. None of the people running actually are middle class and this is a serious job. If you think he is competent that is one thing but to elect someone because they are appear to be a regular joe seems ridiculous to me. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Global - 2008-01-04 10:50 AM Didn't GW get elected because people thought he a was down to earth regular joe? I don't understand why people want someone who is a regular Joe in the white house. I would want someone serious how knows what is going on and isn't going to mess up my country and the rest of the world. You are electing the president of the most powerful country on the planet who cares if he appears to be middle class. None of the people running actually are middle class and this is a serious job. If you think he is competent that is one thing but to elect someone because they are appear to be a regular joe seems ridiculous to me. It's a balance of the two that people want I think. You want someone in the office who is going to fight for what is important to you...so if you are a regular joe, and you see a regular joe type guy running, who seems to have his act together, then you would vote for him. Again, I am not sure who this guy really is...don't know his policies..Just my .02 |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdwright56 - 2008-01-04 7:40 AM While he did carry the social conservative vote in Iowa - which is a big part of the Republican Party here - I think that he got the win because of his "ordinary Joe" attitude. . Is this really it? Didn't the whole "I feel like I could have a beer with the guy" approach to picking a president just give us 8 years of complete clusterf$#%&! This drives me crazy. Do people really want an "ordinary joe" as leader of the free world? I know a lot of ordinary people - I don't want any of them in the white house. If its ok with everyone else, I would prefer we pick an extrodinary leader this time. |
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Wife, Mother, Friend. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() madkat - 2008-01-03 10:51 PM I did watch, finally, Jesus Camp last night. that movie was disturbing. But is that just me? seemed sort of..... extremist. |
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![]() pinktrigal - 2008-01-04 11:19 AM wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 11:01 AM I don't know much about the dude either, but I honestly do not think the country needs someone who may be so religously charged. I'd have preferred Romney, honestly - blah blah, he's Mormon and Christians are against Mormons, but come on, we've already done the "let's bomb the Arabs in the name of Jesus" thing with Bush and look how that turned out...we don't need that again. I go to church and consider myself a Christian, though I am of a more liberal variety than the average Huckabee supporter is, I'm sure. Which worries me because if it comes down to a Conservative Christian or an African-American Democrat, Obama is totally screwed...which says a lot about the sad state of this country. PS- not all Christians discount evolution, and evolution and creation do not have to be mutually exclusive. At least I don't think so. Not sure about your logic. Have you ever thought that maybe Obama is screwed because people disagree with his agenda? You gotta love a candidate who isn't afraid to stick to his guns & isn't afraid to take his christian beliefs into the race. If you don't like it, you don't have to vote for him, simple as that. Sure, people can vote against Obama for his POLITICAL agendas, but whether you like it or not, those other factors will play a role. I personally don't think religious affiliation should be such a deciding factor as it is becoming. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() leapdog - 2008-01-04 8:26 AM The fact he's a marathon runner and knows how to commit and plan for 26.2 appeals to me. If he starts mandating that all kids become runners...now that's a problem. That might not be to bad with all the obesity problems, kids smoking, ect.ect.ect, (just idle thinking on my part) |
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![]() pinktrigal - 2008-01-04 11:31 AM wurkit_gurl - 2008-01-04 11:06 AM JBrashear - 2008-01-04 10:57 AM He likes jesus. Other people like jesus too. He wants more people to like jesus. Other people want more people to like jesus too. Oh and you can vote for him.
That's probably a pretty fair statement, sadly. I find that perplexing from someone who indicates they are a christian.
Again, the office of the President should not be a tool to try to convert the masses. That's what churches are for. This is a country where the freedom to practice whatever you religion you please is in the lawbooks. Call me too tolerant for a Christian, but politics and religion do not mix well and I would prefer that it stayed that way. I don't mean that his liking Jesus and other people liking Jesus and all their wanting others to like Jesus too is sad in and of itself. Edited by wurkit_gurl 2008-01-04 1:18 PM |
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