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2008-06-04 10:03 AM
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Rynamite - 2008-06-04 9:16 AM

... and as I did, I noticed that almost every kid that got on that bus was FAT. It was ridiculous. Now, I understand that some people have health issues, etc. but not EVERY kid. When I was that age (10-14) there were a couple fat kids here and there. Now, skinny kids are the minority.

I also noticed their parents driving away as they got on the bus, meaning they were too lazy to even walk to the bus stop. It was in a super safe town, where most people don't ever lock their doors, and the bus stopped so often that they couldn't have had more than a 1 block walk. So there's no excuse to not walk.

Pathetic.

 

and yet they continue to reduce the amount of recess and PE.... 



2008-06-04 10:03 AM
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chadtower - 2008-06-04 11:00 AM I asked my wife about this as she works in early education and sees the day to day diet of large numbers of small kids. She says the problem is rarely how much they eat. It's what they eat. It's all processed crap. Most of these kids would regulate their own eating properly if they were eating real food. A kid's not going to gorge themselves on chicken and mashed potatoes but if they're eating pizza and soda three times a week they'll just keep choking it down.
Right, if pizza and tater tots are on the lunch menu 3 times a week, of course kids are gonna get fat! Granted the food at my school growing up wasn't fantastic, but it seems to have gotten worse - my mother works for one of the elementary schools in the district and she tells me the same thing - that the kid's choices are crap, crappier than they were when my sister and I were in the same school system.
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2008-06-04 10:09 AM
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wurkit_gurl - 2008-06-04 11:03 AM

Right, if pizza and tater tots are on the lunch menu 3 times a week, of course kids are gonna get fat! Granted the food at my school growing up wasn't fantastic, but it seems to have gotten worse - my mother works for one of the elementary schools in the district and she tells me the same thing - that the kid's choices are crap, crappier than they were when my sister and I were in the same school system.



It's not the school's responsibility to manage the kid's diet, though. The school provides one meal a day - optionally - and it's not a large one. Kids don't even have to eat that one meal as they can bring their own. These fat kids aren't getting fat off the one slice of Elio's Pizza and 4oz of chocolate milk they get for school lunch. They're getting fat off what they eat at home.
2008-06-04 10:14 AM
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That's the ticket, have the goverment step in and create more taxes and leave it to them to distribute it wisely - cuz they are so good at that - look how well it's worked with smoking. .

How about teach our kids what is right and lead by example.  Also, insurance companies (not the gov.) can adjust rates depending on health status.  Obesity (unless as a result of medical reasons) would get a higher rate.

2008-06-04 10:16 AM
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Aikidoman - 2008-06-04 11:14 AM

Obesity (unless as a result of medical reasons) would get a higher rate.




I say we take that concept even further and use the auto industry as a template. Obese people get higher insurance rates... just like bad drivers. What do bad drivers get? Speeding tickets.

The logical solution is to mandate the Police start giving out Fat Tickets.

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2008-06-04 10:18 AM
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chadtower - 2008-06-04 11:09 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2008-06-04 11:03 AM Right, if pizza and tater tots are on the lunch menu 3 times a week, of course kids are gonna get fat! Granted the food at my school growing up wasn't fantastic, but it seems to have gotten worse - my mother works for one of the elementary schools in the district and she tells me the same thing - that the kid's choices are crap, crappier than they were when my sister and I were in the same school system.
It's not the school's responsibility to manage the kid's diet, though. The school provides one meal a day - optionally - and it's not a large one. Kids don't even have to eat that one meal as they can bring their own. These fat kids aren't getting fat off the one slice of Elio's Pizza and 4oz of chocolate milk they get for school lunch. They're getting fat off what they eat at home.

No, but I also feel as though it's the school's responsibility to serve moderately healthy food. School is just as much a part of the development of a child's life as parents are, and so yeah, I DO think they shouldn't be serving pizza 3 times a week regardless of what kids eat at home. It sets a poor example. I know it's a question of cost, and hopefully, there are people out there working on bringing healthy choices at a cheap price to schools.

2008-06-04 10:18 AM
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Rynamite - 2008-06-04 8:06 AM

Yeah, it's a general problem. Last week I was out for a ride on my motorcycle, and decided to stop at an ice cream stand. As I was waiting in line, I was looking around. There were 2 skinny people there, out of probably 30 people. They lady in front of me told her husband what she wanted, and said she was going to sit in the car, because she was tired of standing. Seriously?!?!?! They had gotten in line just a few seconds before I did, and it was maybe 3 or 4 minutes.

A general problem for sure.....  Many times when I'm at the mall, I make note of how overweight eveyone is.  However, Vegas was voted "fattest city in America".  hurray! .

When I was on the east coast, however, I did notice most people walking around were a LOT thinner than here.

I worry mostly about what's going to happen in about 30 years, when all this compounds.

2008-06-04 10:21 AM
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2008-06-04 10:22 AM
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we live across the street for an elementry school, which my 2-kids attend.  My wife walks them to school everyday (but we have neighbors that think they need to drive 250 yards).  I really don't see most of the kids as being overweight...yet!  I do think the biggest problem with kids getting fat is that they eat way too much fast food.  Some kids eat a happy meal everyday while their parents are driving them to soccer practice.  I see it all the time when I am with my kids...both parents work and need to get their kid to an activity so they stop and get them crap food because they don't have time to feed them at home! The sad thing is, the kids begin to crave the food that's bad for them and don't want to eat the good food that is offfered to them.  I know my kids would eat fast food for every meal if we allowed them to.  We really try to limit fast food to once per week...which is still too often in my opinion. 

Ryanmite, I agree that there are too many "lazy" parents!



2008-06-04 10:23 AM
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wurkit_gurl - 2008-06-04 8:18 AM

chadtower - 2008-06-04 11:09 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2008-06-04 11:03 AM Right, if pizza and tater tots are on the lunch menu 3 times a week, of course kids are gonna get fat! Granted the food at my school growing up wasn't fantastic, but it seems to have gotten worse - my mother works for one of the elementary schools in the district and she tells me the same thing - that the kid's choices are crap, crappier than they were when my sister and I were in the same school system.
It's not the school's responsibility to manage the kid's diet, though. The school provides one meal a day - optionally - and it's not a large one. Kids don't even have to eat that one meal as they can bring their own. These fat kids aren't getting fat off the one slice of Elio's Pizza and 4oz of chocolate milk they get for school lunch. They're getting fat off what they eat at home.

No, but I also feel as though it's the school's responsibility to serve moderately healthy food. School is just as much a part of the development of a child's life as parents are, and so yeah, I DO think they shouldn't be serving pizza 3 times a week regardless of what kids eat at home. It sets a poor example. I know it's a question of cost, and hopefully, there are people out there working on bringing healthy choices at a cheap price to schools.

Morgan Spurlock discussed this in Super Size Me.  (one of the best documenteries IMO).  Healthy choices CAN be provided at a reasonable cost, and it had a profound affect on the behavior and health of kids.

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wurkit_gurl - 2008-06-04 11:18 AM

No, but I also feel as though it's the school's responsibility to serve moderately healthy food. School is just as much a part of the development of a child's life as parents are, and so yeah, I DO think they shouldn't be serving pizza 3 times a week regardless of what kids eat at home. It sets a poor example. I know it's a question of cost, and hopefully, there are people out there working on bringing healthy choices at a cheap price to schools.




I've never seen a school that serves pizza 3x/week. Every school I've been involved with had pizza on fridays. Some high schools had pizza as an alternative to whatever the daily menu was but that's the kid's choice by then.

It really does come down to cost for the school. How exactly are they supposed to provide a genuinely healthy meal for $1.25? The responsibility for this stuff lies at home. If the parents are providing a decent diet at home the kid can afford to eat a slice of pizza for lunch if he wants.
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turtlegirl - 2008-06-04 10:03 AM

Rynamite - 2008-06-04 9:16 AM

... and as I did, I noticed that almost every kid that got on that bus was FAT. It was ridiculous. Now, I understand that some people have health issues, etc. but not EVERY kid. When I was that age (10-14) there were a couple fat kids here and there. Now, skinny kids are the minority.

I also noticed their parents driving away as they got on the bus, meaning they were too lazy to even walk to the bus stop. It was in a super safe town, where most people don't ever lock their doors, and the bus stopped so often that they couldn't have had more than a 1 block walk. So there's no excuse to not walk.

Pathetic.

 

and yet they continue to reduce the amount of recess and PE.... 



Because the kids need more time for standardized testing.

You know I remember as a kid we'd get home from school and mom would make us sit down for an after-school snack, usually something like a small bowl of soup and some crackers or a little sammich. We'd eat quick so we could get outside to play football. That was every day when I was a youngster. Now kids rush home to play video games.
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Aikidoman - 2008-06-04 10:14 AM

How about teach our kids what is right and lead by example. 

You are kidding right that is the problem as outlined above parents are fat there kids are fat. Remember kids don't get a say in what they eat they get what the parents put on the table. By putting a fat tax in place you are at least hitting them in the wallet to think about buying alternative healthy food. My beef is fat/processed food is cheaper than healthy food I think because the Corn Soy or what ever it is is heavily subsidised which is used to make candy etc.

Not taking your point on smoking? I know plenty of people whom have given up smoking because of teh price increases (Including my own parents) in NY alone cigarettes are going up $1.50 a pack this week in tax, reading interviews in the NY post all week most people interviewed are either 1/ Cutting back or 2/ Giving up that is good right? Or I am missing something?

I get the feeling your comment maybe aimed at US is a free country people can do what they like to themselves, I agree with that statement but I don't agree that people can set their kids on a life of misery by making them obese for their rest of their life by the age of 4? Scientific research indicated by 4 years old a childs eating habbits are established for life and Ryans initial post was targeted at kids.

 

 

 

 

 



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Rynamite - 2008-06-04 11:24 AM

Our lunches were $3. Not that it's much better... but for a sandwich, some pasta, and a 1/2 pint of milk? Eh...



Where I went to school if the lunches were $3 there would have been about 25 kids eating. Everyone else would have been just sitting there. I sure wouldn't have ever had $3 for lunch. My kids don't get school lunch that often but I think it's $1.25 (elementary school). When they get lunch money I usually give them $1.50 so they can get an extra milk.

I know a lot of kids who eat the drivethru way as described above. It's not hard to go to Subway instead of McDonald's. Even among fast food places there are options that aren't completely trashy.
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rayd - 2008-06-04 8:22 AM

Ryanmite, I agree that there are too many "lazy" parents!

I play devil's advocate for a second.....  Parents may not be "lazy" but in today's world where two incomes are almost a must.  I would venture that most of us around 40 years old, probably had one parent at home while growing up - this allowed a parent the time to cook at home (we ate at home for EVERY meal - packed our lunches for school, etc). 

I think that time is being crunched so much, that cheaper and faster foods are too easily available.  But like anything in life, you have to make time for what's important.  It just amazes me that our children's health does not seem to be "important enough".  I don't have kids yet, but I can't comprehend how that would ever be the case for me.

 

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chadtower - 2008-06-04 11:23 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2008-06-04 11:18 AM No, but I also feel as though it's the school's responsibility to serve moderately healthy food. School is just as much a part of the development of a child's life as parents are, and so yeah, I DO think they shouldn't be serving pizza 3 times a week regardless of what kids eat at home. It sets a poor example. I know it's a question of cost, and hopefully, there are people out there working on bringing healthy choices at a cheap price to schools.

 

I've never seen a school that serves pizza 3x/week. Every school I've been involved with had pizza on fridays. Some high schools had pizza as an alternative to whatever the daily menu was but that's the kid's choice by then. It really does come down to cost for the school. How exactly are they supposed to provide a genuinely healthy meal for $1.25? The responsibility for this stuff lies at home. If the parents are providing a decent diet at home the kid can afford to eat a slice of pizza for lunch if he wants.

Jamie Oliver, a British chef, had a show on TLC where he was trying to do just that for the British school system.  It was really interesting to watch him trying to train the lunch ladies to actually cook again and the resistance he got from kids and parents.

More info on his program here  

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runnergirl - 2008-06-04 10:17 AM And lemme guess- they all had backpacks on wheels because they're too lazy to carry them.

I don't see that as a sign of laziness. I used to have to bring home so many books that they couldn't even all fit in the backpack. It was really difficult carrying that backpack and probably not very healthy. When I was a walker, I would have to take it off my back at intersections for a rest...way too heavy.

But, I hear you on the laziness. My yard (I have a corner house) is a bus stop. There's one mother who drives her daughter there every day --- they live TWO HOUSES AWAY!!! The girl that lives one house away and the boys that live four houses away do, however, walk.



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rayd - 2008-06-04 8:22 AM

Ryanmite, I agree that there are too many "lazy" parents!

I play devil's advocate for a second..... Parents may not be "lazy" but in today's world where two incomes are almost a must. I would venture that most of us around 40 years old, probably had one parent at home while growing up - this allowed a parent the time to cook at home (we ate at home for EVERY meal - packed our lunches for school, etc).

I think that time is being crunched so much, that cheaper and faster foods are too easily available. But like anything in life, you have to make time for what's important. It just amazes me that our children's health does not seem to be "important enough". I don't have kids yet, but I can't comprehend how that would ever be the case for me.



I will have to disagree. Two incomes is not a must. We as a people just feel intitled to nice things. We think we NEED so much. We live above our means and need to keep up with the Jones'. I live in a very wealthy community, with VERY high home costs and manage on one income. This does mean, I have to rent, have inexpensive cars and can't have everything I want, but my boys have a Mother at home and that is a sacrifice I was willing to make.

I know this isn't always the case for everyone, but I think a lot of people cop out of 1 income because it's "normal"

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bradword - 2008-06-04 11:40 AM

I will have to disagree. Two incomes is not a must.



I don't think it's a must either (and I live in a very high cost of living area) but that's an entirely different discussion.
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chadtower - 2008-06-04 9:43 AM
bradword - 2008-06-04 11:40 AM I will have to disagree. Two incomes is not a must.
I don't think it's a must either (and I live in a very high cost of living area) but that's an entirely different discussion.

yea, 2-incomes for my family would be nice but it's not a must.  We think it's more important for someone to be home for the kids.  But you're right...that's a nother discussion.

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