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2008-12-13 6:47 PM
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I have been married 10 1/2 years and I do not care if he looks at someone walking by, I do it.  It seems unnatural to act like you do not see someone who looks good walking past.  To me, looking is harmless, and I think healthy. 


2008-12-13 7:47 PM
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tricrazy - 2008-12-13 7:47 PM I have been married 10 1/2 years and I do not care if he looks at someone walking by, I do it.  It seems unnatural to act like you do not see someone who looks good walking past.  To me, looking is harmless, and I think healthy. 

I have to agree.  Hubby and I are coming up on ten years and we do the same thing.  I even ask if he thinks the smokin' chick walking by was hot.  I don't know if I would have done that way back when we were engaged but I am secure enough in our relationship now that it is totally fine with me. 

2008-12-13 8:04 PM
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2008-12-13 8:09 PM
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ebshot - 2008-12-13 7:47 PM

tricrazy - 2008-12-13 7:47 PM I have been married 10 1/2 years and I do not care if he looks at someone walking by, I do it.  It seems unnatural to act like you do not see someone who looks good walking past.  To me, looking is harmless, and I think healthy. 

I have to agree.  Hubby and I are coming up on ten years and we do the same thing.  I even ask if he thinks the smokin' chick walking by was hot.  I don't know if I would have done that way back when we were engaged but I am secure enough in our relationship now that it is totally fine with me. 

Possibly the key statement of this entire thread.

2008-12-13 8:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Wandering eyes

I haven't read every post on this topic...but I have to bring up the fact that perhaps the two most poplur COJ threads are BT Guys and BT Women.  Most of people posting/viewing are married or in relationships.  That shoud tell us all that both sexes enjoying the viewing of the other.

If any women or men here truely believe that their SO doesn't "check out" attractive people is fooling themselves.  The key thing to remember is you're together for a reason. 

Physical beauty is only a small piece of the relationship puzzle.  I have no issues with my wife checking out other guys....

2008-12-13 8:31 PM
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snowgirl - 2008-12-13 10:43 AM

Men: What are you doing/thinking/feeling when you look at other women, even when you are walking with your SO?

Women: What do you do/think/feel when a guy, who is walking with his SO, notices you or checks you out?

We've already talked about this but it still happens. We are in an otherwise very fulfilling relationship and are planning on getting married in 09. But this is really hurting me. He says he just "notices" beauty, but to me, it's more than that. It feels demeaning, disrespectful, as though I'm not enough to hold his attention... Please help me gain perspective on this -- what are YOUR thoughts??



I think you are entirely justified to be uncomfortable with it. Every relationship is different and how everyone here is with their spouses does not mean that is how you should be.

I mean, some people are comfortable with their significant other checking out another person, some are even so comfortable that they can openly admire another, hell, some are even so comfortable that they don't mind sharing their significant other with others. That doesn't mean you have to, or that they are right and you are wrong or vice-versa

Your feelings are justified and any guy that says he cannot control it because it is 'biology' is a rather weak willed individual.


2008-12-13 8:32 PM
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the bear - 2008-12-13 6:09 PM
ebshot - 2008-12-13 7:47 PM

tricrazy - 2008-12-13 7:47 PM I have been married 10 1/2 years and I do not care if he looks at someone walking by, I do it.  It seems unnatural to act like you do not see someone who looks good walking past.  To me, looking is harmless, and I think healthy. 

I have to agree.  Hubby and I are coming up on ten years and we do the same thing.  I even ask if he thinks the smokin' chick walking by was hot.  I don't know if I would have done that way back when we were engaged but I am secure enough in our relationship now that it is totally fine with me. 

Possibly the key statement of this entire thread.

I'd have to agree with this line of thinking. I know my husband is 100% trustworthy, so I'm not bothered when I catch him checking out another woman. It entertains me more than anything. I also very rarely catch him doing this, so it makes the few infractions seem more minor

However, it sounds like you (Snowgirl) have been burned pretty badly in the past. I think you have to make your feelings very clear and he needs to refrain from checking out other women around you until your relationship has enough time and trust under it's belt for the occasional glance to be no big deal. Simple as that. For your part, try not to project your ex's behavior onto your fiance and do what it takes to recover from that relationship emotionally so that it doesn't impact your current relationship.

2008-12-13 8:35 PM
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Max and Bear have hit the nail on the head.

My wife told me years ago, "You're married not blind".  Both men and women notice the opposite sex.  It's natural and healthy.  I think the person (man or woman) that expects their SO to only "notice" them is very insecure with them self and don't have enough trust to be in a solid relationship. 

Sometimes, Nan notices woman before I do.  Not just the hot ones either.  I'm not going to fly off the handle if she comes home and says, "I saw this HOT guy at the gym".  Perhaps it's because I am confident in our relationship.

And to the second question:  Just because someone compliments you does NOT mean they are trying to get in your pants.  To the poster that said a married guy complimented her and was only creeped out after she found out, did he try and get in your pants?  If not, then he was just paying you a compliment.  You chose to think he was hitting on you. 

2008-12-13 9:05 PM
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I'm fine with him checking out however many women he wants when he's out doing his own thing. When I'm not with him, sure, I notice attractive men and women. I know we are all human.

My original post was in effort to get an overall consensus of what men are thinking when they are looking at other women, and then to see how others felt about it when done in the SO's presence. THANKFULLY, I didn't get bombarded with "I'm picturing her naked" or "I'm wondering what it'd be like to be with her", LOL. I'm just trying to understand where my SO is coming from. As of now it is difficult for me to witness his wandering eyes, and I will communicate this with him - and I am certain that with time it won't be a big deal.

Thanks for your input everyone

2008-12-13 10:41 PM
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Marvarnett - 2008-12-13 9:35 PM

My wife told me years ago, "You're married not blind".  Both men and women notice the opposite sex.  It's natural and healthy. 

BTW, when we were in DC for the Marine Corps Marathon, my wife told me after dinner that you were pretty hot! 

 



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2008-12-13 11:17 PM
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2008-12-14 9:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Wandering eyes
Marvarnett - 2008-12-13 9:35 PM

And to the second question:  Just because someone compliments you does NOT mean they are trying to get in your pants.  To the poster that said a married guy complimented her and was only creeped out after she found out, did he try and get in your pants?  If not, then he was just paying you a compliment.  You chose to think he was hitting on you. 

Actually, I found the entire thing creepy from the beginning but even creepier after I found out he was married.  He acted like a single guy interested in me and came up to me more than once that day and wanted to workout with me the next day.  I don't think he tried to get in my pants but I don't think his wife would of appreciated how he was acting in our small town!  I really don't know what he was thinking! I can count on my hand how many guys I think have recently hit on me.  And he was one of them...so I don't have this complex where everyone is hitting on me or anything.  Unfortunately, most the guys have been married.

Like people have said, if you are secure in your relationship is the issue.   If it bothers you enough to start a thread, obviously, it is a real concern...at least one to deal with before getting married.

And everyone looks but it is HOW you do it and your INTENT that makes all the difference.

2008-12-14 12:35 PM
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Subject: RE: Wandering eyes
max - 2008-12-13 11:41 PM
Marvarnett - 2008-12-13 9:35 PM

My wife told me years ago, "You're married not blind".  Both men and women notice the opposite sex.  It's natural and healthy. 

BTW, when we were in DC for the Marine Corps Marathon, my wife told me after dinner that you were pretty hot! 

 

That's just because I had on a long sleeve and the temperature was rising.  :P

 Please tell her Thank you for me.

2008-12-14 3:45 PM
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It is natural and expected.  It just doesn't bother me at all.  I would have a problem with it if the oodling got to the point that the other woman/women regularly noticed it with me standing there.  That's rude.  There's a lot to be said for being subtle about it.  Reverse the roles, and I don't believe there is a man on this board who wouldn't have his madhood hurt if his woman was caught checking out the other man while her man is on her arm.

My hubby and I know exactly who the other thinks is hot, even among our friends.  Doesn't mean anything.  Actually, I think if a couple doesn't discuss it to some degree - that's a real danger and concern.

For our anniversary almost 5 years ago, my hubby flew me to NYC to see Hugh Jackman front row center in his play on Broadway because he knows that I think Hugh is the hottest man in Hollywood. (And I knew it long before People!)  I think my hubby even paid Hugh to wink at me.   Is my hubby the MAN or what?

Andi

2008-12-14 4:50 PM
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I'd worry more if he wasn't looking... at least thats what my wife says to me :D...

If he's leering then just ask him to be discrete.. other than that there's not much more to do..

2008-12-14 10:20 PM
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Not gonna throw every dude under the bus, but because I am a betting man I would be willing to wager that the percentage of men who look, oggle, stare, wander their eyes, call it what you will is in the high 90's. I bet women aren't too far behind. Some are much more descret than others.

Been married over 10 years and my wife will tell me who she thinks is hot and can usually tell who I think is hot.



2008-12-14 10:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Wandering eyes
SrA_Rugenstein - 2008-12-13 10:52 AM

But, if that is the main problem in your relationship, you will be more than fine for marriage. He ought to straighten up then, and if he doesn't...


Did anyone else catch this? Marriage doesn't change anyone. The only people who this disappoints are the ones who go into a marriage expecting all the problems with their SO to go away once they say "I do."

Back to the original question. There is a difference between noticing and leering. Leering is creepy/lame if a dude is with his SO, has an SO or is single. Noticing should be taken at face value, if your SO notices another girl, thats it. If you're being noticed, take it as a compliment.

From the great fountain of wisdom that is Seinfeld "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it. It's too risky. Ya get a sense of it and then you look away."

As to why, we're guys.
2008-12-14 10:57 PM
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Shermbelle - 2008-12-14 10:20 PM

Not gonna throw every dude under the bus, but because I am a betting man I would be willing to wager that the percentage of men who look, oggle, stare, wander their eyes, call it what you will is in the high 90's. I bet women aren't too far behind. Some are much more descret than others.

Been married over 10 years and my wife will tell me who she thinks is hot and can usually tell who I think is hot.



I'd agree, my wife says the only difference between men and women on this one is that women are better at being discreet.
2008-12-15 12:36 PM
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Considering your past history, it would be nice if he could be more sensitive. Talk about it, really talk about it. If he is the good guy he seems to be, then he should do what he can to make you feel secure. As time goes on, you'll become like Max and Patti and you'll both be checking people out openly, without ill feelings.

Congrats on being in love. Best wishes!

2008-12-15 4:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Wandering eyes
I agree with everyone who has said it's a matter of being secure in the marriage.

I occasionally notice women when I'm out with my wife. Like an earlier post from one of the ladies,
she'll just shake her head and laugh. She trusts me. And I do make a point not
to ogle or lock onto her.

I also like an earlier post that said we don't need to walk around with blinders.
When meeting people on the sidewalk, I'll usually try to establish eye contact and if
I get a friendly vibe I'll exchange a "good morning" or some other greeting.

Rember,

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY, HERE, PEOPLE!!! (Seinfeld reference)
2008-12-16 12:36 AM
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SweetK - 2008-12-14 3:15 AM
max - 2008-12-13 1:11 PM

I'm going to start out by saying my wife and I both do this.  We'll be in the mall and I'll say "Wow that woman is really good looking" and I'll be checking her out.  But in my mind, the admiration part of it is as far as it goes.  There is no desire to fantasize about getting naked with her or anything else.  Conversely, Patti will say "That guy has nice blue eyes and a cute butt" and we'll both laugh about it.  Neither of us considers it disrespectfull.  Maybe being married for 35 years and still thinking each other is the hottest thing around has something to do with it.  I'm guessing we both are pretty secure and it's the longevity of the relationship that has locked in that level of security.  When you're younger or have only been with someone for a short while, you're still building up that level of trust.  There is that constant internal voice that says "I'm not good enough...he/she is seeing something better and I can't compete."  Perhaps it takes a long time for that to go away for some people.  For me, it was never there...I've known since day #1 that she was the only one for me and that there isn't another person on earth I'd rather spend time with.

It's not the inattentiveness at the mall that detracts from her feeling of security.  It's knowing that I'm there to help her 24/7 when she needs it.  When she is sick and I'll go out in a raging snowstorm to get her some cough medicine because she ran out of it.  Or when she was recovering from gall bladder surgery and was attempting to use the bathroom but had a pretty messy accident, and I was there in seconds to help clean it and her up and she cried because who would do that besides someone who loved her.

I can't speak for your inner feelings...all I know is how I feel and noticing and staring at and remarking about other women is pretty insignificant to all the love and respect that goes on in our relationship.  And we both know that.  I can't tell you to "get over it" because I'm not in your shoes.  All I can say is make sure you notice the other "good things" and are they a more convincing argument for how he really feels about you.

 

Well said Max... x2

 

X 3, very well said.

As other people on here have pointed out, there is a big difference between looking and leering.

 

 



2008-12-16 10:23 AM
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Max...well said...I was going to post something very similar...I am lucky that I am gay in this reguards as I get to not only look...but point out the hot guy to my SO.  Rickey does say that I am too obvious when I look and that I am going to get beat up someday...but I don't think I am that obvious...unless I get a knowing look back...and flirting takes over...Then I become obvious and end up sleeping on the couch (just kidding). 

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2008-12-16 10:31 AM
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eurydice79 - 2008-12-16 1:36 AM
SweetK - 2008-12-14 3:15 AM
max - 2008-12-13 1:11 PM

I'm going to start out by saying my wife and I both do this.  We'll be in the mall and I'll say "Wow that woman is really good looking" and I'll be checking her out.  But in my mind, the admiration part of it is as far as it goes.  There is no desire to fantasize about getting naked with her or anything else.  Conversely, Patti will say "That guy has nice blue eyes and a cute butt" and we'll both laugh about it.  Neither of us considers it disrespectfull.  Maybe being married for 35 years and still thinking each other is the hottest thing around has something to do with it.  I'm guessing we both are pretty secure and it's the longevity of the relationship that has locked in that level of security.  When you're younger or have only been with someone for a short while, you're still building up that level of trust.  There is that constant internal voice that says "I'm not good enough...he/she is seeing something better and I can't compete."  Perhaps it takes a long time for that to go away for some people.  For me, it was never there...I've known since day #1 that she was the only one for me and that there isn't another person on earth I'd rather spend time with.

It's not the inattentiveness at the mall that detracts from her feeling of security.  It's knowing that I'm there to help her 24/7 when she needs it.  When she is sick and I'll go out in a raging snowstorm to get her some cough medicine because she ran out of it.  Or when she was recovering from gall bladder surgery and was attempting to use the bathroom but had a pretty messy accident, and I was there in seconds to help clean it and her up and she cried because who would do that besides someone who loved her.

I can't speak for your inner feelings...all I know is how I feel and noticing and staring at and remarking about other women is pretty insignificant to all the love and respect that goes on in our relationship.  And we both know that.  I can't tell you to "get over it" because I'm not in your shoes.  All I can say is make sure you notice the other "good things" and are they a more convincing argument for how he really feels about you.

 

Well said Max... x2

 

X 3, very well said.

As other people on here have pointed out, there is a big difference between looking and leering.

 

 

 

So if someone was to copy your Super Woman image, enlarge it and make it their computer wall paper would that be leering? I mean, just for instance.....

2008-12-16 12:57 PM
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ChrisM - 2008-12-13 1:48 PM

Men are visual beings.  They do not stop being men just because they find someone that they love.

I love to look at beautiful women.  I would never cheat on my wife.  But you have to be secure enough in your own relationship, I guess

ETA, I am not talking about ogling, leering, etc.  I am talking about seeing an attractive person and not averting my eyes instantly.....




Yep. Once you're married attractive women become mostly like shiny things. You don't know you're looking at them until you've looked at them. If there is a blinking light you're going to turn your head to see it whether you meant to or not. If there is an attractive woman you're going to look at her out of pure instinct. It's part of being a man and I don't know it's healthy to strip that instinct fully. Just looking does not imply desire for action. Of course, there is a line at which the man moves from instinct to classlessness. You can look - subtly - and keep your fool mouth shut. Should he decide to start making comments or leaning back in his chair to check out the waitress' behind, then you can decide you have a problem.
2008-12-16 6:43 PM
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max x however many we're up to now.

Being a supportive spouse, I poke hubby and inform him in a whisper "cleavage coming at 9 o'clock" or point out helpfully while I'm driving "Hey that guy cycles a LOT! Can I slow down? (ie good legs)". We'll also sit in bed and trade magazines back and forth (Men's Health, InStyle, Vogue, Maxxim) and debate who's hot, who's supposed to be but isn't and why they take pics like that when it's not sexy.

Now, we've been married 17+ years so there's a good base of trust and knowing each other, but I think there's a difference between noticing something "shiny" and staring a big hot 'hey, baby' at someone. Plus, everyone's tolerance level is different. If he thinks he's just noticing and you think he's all "hey, baby" to every chick he passes, then some talking needs to be done and some expectation management needs to be sorted out - for both of you. No one gets to be "right". It's all a matter of comfort together.   

I personally think it's unreasonable to expect people not to notice other people. But if he's making you feel like he wants to get in the pants of every chick you pass, that seems like it might be a deal-breaker. Who needs that?  However, if he checks out some chick and turns to you and says, "you should get a pink sweater like that, you'd look hot, and I could take it off you.' then I think you've got something good going. Especially if he's buying the sweater. 

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