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 2009-05-28 4:16 PM in reply to: #2168063 |
New user 3 New York |  Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Threadvrljc - 2009-05-22 11:19 PM jmk-brooklyn - 2009-05-22 9:04 AM don't forget to add some GU!philjlee - 2009-05-21 10:35 PM I've been lurking as well - I'm in for this and probably for the underwear run and the nycswim biathlon too. Do jellyfish go best with ketchup or chilli sauce? Peanut butter, obviously. umm, deliciousness, I guess? I'll be the dork at the back wishing she had a jelly donut to eat during the run. If you pass me, say hi! |
| 2009-05-31 10:33 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Veteran 128  | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread My fourth one! Love this race, sooo much fun!! |
| 2009-06-03 12:34 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Pro 4528  Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread |
| 2009-06-03 11:44 PM in reply to: #2192195 |
Expert 878 Carmel | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread Just show up and do it. I worked it last year and it didnt seem to strict of an event. |
| 2009-06-04 8:52 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Extreme Veteran 909 Westchester, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread i'm in .. tyrying to figure out wheather to stay in the nite before or ... |
| 2009-06-05 8:10 AM in reply to: #2115456 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread I went to my first volunteer meeting last night. I signed up to do the transition area tours on Saturday as well as race course marshal on race day. The meeting was great and I learned a lot about the transition areas the race itself, logistics, tides/currents, etc. If you've got any questions about the race, whether it's your first time or not, let me know and if I can't answer it, I can ask the RD's for you. |
| 2009-06-05 8:22 AM in reply to: #2196730 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread jmk-brooklyn - 2009-06-05 9:10 AM I went to my first volunteer meeting last night. I signed up to do the transition area tours on Saturday as well as race course marshal on race day. The meeting was great and I learned a lot about the transition areas the race itself, logistics, tides/currents, etc. If you've got any questions about the race, whether it's your first time or not, let me know and if I can't answer it, I can ask the RD's for you. any idea on the wave time starts yet?? or will they decide that later?? |
| 2009-06-05 9:06 AM in reply to: #2196730 |
Master 1209 New York, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread jmk-brooklyn - 2009-06-05 9:10 AM I went to my first volunteer meeting last night. I signed up to do the transition area tours on Saturday as well as race course marshal on race day. The meeting was great and I learned a lot about the transition areas the race itself, logistics, tides/currents, etc. If you've got any questions about the race, whether it's your first time or not, let me know and if I can't answer it, I can ask the RD's for you. What did they have to say about the tides & current? I'm debating whether or not to wear my wetsuit (I have a full suit) for this race. The water will certainly be warm enough to go without it, but it would be nice protection (at least for most of my body) if they jellyfish decide to make an appearance again. Folks who have done this race before....wetsuit or no wetsuit?? |
| 2009-06-05 10:03 AM in reply to: #2115456 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread Thanks for the questions--let me know if this answers them: They always plan the race so that largest pct. of athletes will have the strongest downstream current, which is why the race date moves so much from year to year. The currents change every 4 hours or so, so no matter what, the people in the later waves will have to cope with ebb or slack tides. They change the wave times around a little every year so that the same AG’s aren’t coping with the slack tide every year. They haven’t determined the AG order for this year yet. What happened last year was that the tides shifted about an hour earlier than expected, so the tide started changing well before the end of the waves. To compensate, they started sending the waves out at 1-min intervals, rather than 3-min intervals, but the last few waves still had a tough time. Average swim times in the early waves were 10-20 minutes, while the later waves were 30 minutes to an hour. The shorter intervals were the reason why it supposedly got very crowded on the bike course towards the end of the race. The jellyfish were a freak occurrence, but there’s no way to predict whether they’ll be back. Regarding wetsuits, if you have one, it’ll help, so you might as well wear it. You’re going to have a long T1 time anyway, given the distance from swim exit to T1 (180y or 400y, depending on which transition area you’re in) so the few extra seconds you’ll save by not having to take off a wetsuit won’t matter a whole lot. And there’s always the chance that the jellyfish will return… |
| 2009-06-07 7:57 AM in reply to: #2197078 |
| Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread Thanks for the details, those're really useful! It sounds to me like being in one of the last waves is a bad thing - it's going to be hotter, more traffic, and potentially have the tide turning. How're the waves broken down? Is it by age/sex, or random, or something else? |
| 2009-06-07 3:50 PM in reply to: #2199907 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread philjlee - 2009-06-07 7:57 AM Thanks for the details, those're really useful! It sounds to me like being in one of the last waves is a bad thing - it's going to be hotter, more traffic, and potentially have the tide turning. How're the waves broken down? Is it by age/sex, or random, or something else? In general, being in an earlier wave is always preferable--that's no different here vs any other race. The waves are broken down by age/gender group (M35-39, etc. e.g.). Depending on the # of entrants, some age groups may have multiple swim waves. I think there were 10 or more waves of the larger AG's last year, like M35-39, M40-44, W35-39, etc. Who goes out when isn't exactly random, but they do change it a little each year. It's usually better to have the faster athletes on the course out ahead of the slower ones, so I imagine that figures into the start order, but other than that, I don't think it's real scientific. |
| 2009-06-09 10:19 AM in reply to: #2115456 |
Regular 71 | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread “They always plan the race so that largest pct. of athletes will have the strongest downstream current, which is why the race date moves so much from year to year. The currents change every 4 hours or so, so no matter what, the people in the later waves will have to cope with ebb or slack tides. They change the wave times around a little every year so that the same AG’s aren’t coping with the slack tide every year. They haven’t determined the AG order for this year yet.
Actually, no the tides and current are predictable to the second. Last years race was started too late. If you look at the prediction for this year, it is going to be incredibly fast no matter what wave you are in. This year it will be at 2+ Knots during most of the time between 6-9 am. In 2008, the current was at its peak before 6:00 and slowed considerably up until slack at 8:54. Compare that to 2007, when it was picking up late. If you compare wave times in 2008 the earlier waves did better, in 2007 the later ones did. THIS year looks very fast. 2009 prediction: George Washington Bridge (Hudson River), New York Current Seems like that Cheetos bag will get it done in under 25 minutes this year!!
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| 2009-06-09 8:54 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Master 1410 White Plains NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread thanks for posting the tide info! i'll take it! |
| 2009-06-09 9:58 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Pro 4528 Norwalk, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread |
| 2009-06-10 2:11 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread |
| 2009-06-10 2:59 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Regular 71 | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread Here's an excerpt from a post I found on the first NYC Triathlon, pretty scary: "As this was a new race, there was some concern that not all the details have been ironed out in advance, and that some unexpected problem could arise. Indeed, there were some scary moments during the swim. The current in the Hudson was much stronger than anticipated and swimmers in the first three waves had serious problems trying to reach the ladders at the end of the swim. Apparently swimmers started piling up at the edge of the barge positioned at the end of the swim and some of them were pushed UNDER the barge by the current. Thankfully nobody was seriously hurt." Here's the current that day, not too string but I am sure no one was prepared: 2001-08-12 06:03 EDT SunriseEdited by Biancamano 2009-06-10 3:04 PM |
| 2009-06-10 10:05 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread One of my pet peeves about the way the NYC Tri is promoted is the way in which they talk about the swim as if it's so easy. Yes, the strong current is nice, and yes, you'll probably PR your Oly swim split. But you still need to train for it and prepare for it. It's still open water, it's still a wave start with 50-100 other people, you still have to sight and to navigate, and there are still obstacles, critters, and whatnot to contend with. I don't lay the blame entirely on the RD's--I think it's the reputation that the race has gotten, but I plan to make a point of telling people during my orientation tours that they shouldn't take the swim lightly. Oh--one more thing I forgot to mention by way of a tip: (and you already know this if you've done the race) DO NOT stand up at the end of the swim until your feet are on the exit ramp. If you stand up in the water, you will sink into the nasty, silty goo at the bottom and will end up with black gunk all over you. The RD's are debating putting mirrors up next to the rinse showers between swim exit and T2, which I think is a great idea. |
| 2009-06-11 9:03 AM in reply to: #2209208 |
Regular 103 NYC/South Jersey | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread jmk-brooklyn - 2009-06-10 11:05 PM One of my pet peeves about the way the NYC Tri is promoted is the way in which they talk about the swim as if it's so easy. Yes, the strong current is nice, and yes, you'll probably PR your Oly swim split. But you still need to train for it and prepare for it. It's still open water, it's still a wave start with 50-100 other people, you still have to sight and to navigate, and there are still obstacles, critters, and whatnot to contend with. I don't lay the blame entirely on the RD's--I think it's the reputation that the race has gotten, but I plan to make a point of telling people during my orientation tours that they shouldn't take the swim lightly. Oh--one more thing I forgot to mention by way of a tip: (and you already know this if you've done the race) DO NOT stand up at the end of the swim until your feet are on the exit ramp. If you stand up in the water, you will sink into the nasty, silty goo at the bottom and will end up with black gunk all over you. The RD's are debating putting mirrors up next to the rinse showers between swim exit and T2, which I think is a great idea. Heard about the nasty silty stuff.....going to wear a black tri suit to make sure I dont look/feel nasty. Would recommend people NOT wear white. |
| 2009-06-11 9:29 AM in reply to: #2209208 |
Master 1209 New York, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread jmk-brooklyn - 2009-06-10 11:05 PM Oh--one more thing I forgot to mention by way of a tip: (and you already know this if you've done the race) DO NOT stand up at the end of the swim until your feet are on the exit ramp. If you stand up in the water, you will sink into the nasty, silty goo at the bottom and will end up with black gunk all over you. The RD's are debating putting mirrors up next to the rinse showers between swim exit and T2, which I think is a great idea. I don't know why, but I never gave a thought to the nastiness at the bottom. Thanks for the tip!!! |
| 2009-06-11 10:12 AM in reply to: #2209861 |
Extreme Veteran 399 Long Beach, CA | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread Dell1888 - 2009-06-11 10:03 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2009-06-10 11:05 PM One of my pet peeves about the way the NYC Tri is promoted is the way in which they talk about the swim as if it's so easy. Yes, the strong current is nice, and yes, you'll probably PR your Oly swim split. But you still need to train for it and prepare for it. It's still open water, it's still a wave start with 50-100 other people, you still have to sight and to navigate, and there are still obstacles, critters, and whatnot to contend with. I don't lay the blame entirely on the RD's--I think it's the reputation that the race has gotten, but I plan to make a point of telling people during my orientation tours that they shouldn't take the swim lightly. Oh--one more thing I forgot to mention by way of a tip: (and you already know this if you've done the race) DO NOT stand up at the end of the swim until your feet are on the exit ramp. If you stand up in the water, you will sink into the nasty, silty goo at the bottom and will end up with black gunk all over you. The RD's are debating putting mirrors up next to the rinse showers between swim exit and T2, which I think is a great idea. Heard about the nasty silty stuff.....going to wear a black tri suit to make sure I dont look/feel nasty. Would recommend people NOT wear white. But it's after Memorial Day ???  |
| 2009-06-11 10:13 AM in reply to: #2115456 |
Veteran 197 Manhattan | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread It's NYC. Black is always k00l  |
| 2009-06-11 10:35 AM in reply to: #2115456 |
| Member 65 Monroe, NY | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread Did NYC as my first try last year and I wish you would have know about the "nasty stuff". I made the rookie mistake and my feet are still glowing from the GE PCBs. |
| 2009-06-12 3:15 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
| 5 | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread Thanks for the tip on not standing at the end of the swim... would never have known! This is my first ever tri and I am really nervous. I am not sure what clothing I need to have for all three (women's wear recommendations) and what other things I should keep with me during the race? Help! |
| 2009-06-12 6:24 PM in reply to: #2115456 |
Expert 878 Carmel | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread If you are a weak swimmer, take what JMK is saying and DO NOT take the swim lightly. If you are a strong swimmer and can breathe to your left side, you should fly through the swim. As long as you are comfortable in open water and with wave starts dont worry too much. I am a strong swimmer and loved the swim. Breathing to the left is great bc you have the retaining wall right there so you dont even really have to sight. As long as the wall is relatively the same distance away you are going in the right direction. Also, dont make the rookie mistake that I made a few years ago. I jumped in the water with my goggles on my head. Needless to say the current took them and I swam without goggles. There was some gross stuff in my eyes but nothing too bad. Without goggles, and staying closer to the wall side, my time was about 19 mins (my normal 1.5k time is about 24-26). My friend who raced did the swim in 17 and change and I am about 10-15 seconds faster per hundred than him. Keep your goggles, it will cost you at least 2 mins. |
| 2009-06-12 9:50 PM in reply to: #2214194 |
Extreme Veteran 399 Long Beach, CA | Subject: RE: Nautica New York City Triathlon : Official Thread chanachor5 - 2009-06-12 4:15 PM Thanks for the tip on not standing at the end of the swim... would never have known! This is my first ever tri and I am really nervous. I am not sure what clothing I need to have for all three (women's wear recommendations) and what other things I should keep with me during the race? Help! For your first race I wouldn't worry too much about extra clothing. I would recommend a wetsuit for the swim for buoyancy and to keep the Hudson gook off of you. As for the bike and run, have good padded bike/tri shorts and a top you feel comfortable in, you can wear this under your wetsuit. A visor or hat in case it's sunny, some good sun block and a decent pair of running shoes and you should be good to go. My first time 3 years ago in this race I took so much stuff I didn't even need or end up using at all. There's a checklist here for reference. Good Luck - and don't forget to have a good time!  Michelle |
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