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2009-07-15 3:34 PM
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All right, this settles it once and for all. I have consulted the unquestionable source of Internet wisdom:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_laps_in_an_olympic_size_swimming_pool_equal_a_mile



2009-07-15 3:39 PM
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lisac957 - 2009-07-15 3:17 PM Really? People are debating this?



-------> 25yd = length




-------->
<------- 50yd - lap



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2009-07-15 3:42 PM
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BuckHamilton - 2009-07-15 4:27 PM
newleaf - 2009-07-15 3:11 PM
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newleaf - 2009-07-15 4:03 PM
shelly123 - 2009-07-15 4:00 PM A lap is from one end of the pool to the other end.


Hmm, I always use "length" for that.

What do you consider a length to be, then?
no swim coach or swim team I have been on has ever used length.


I think I will build a big donut-shaped pool, and then I will not have to worry about this.




it also needs a chocolate doughnut hanging from a string about a foot off the water that you can chase.


Hmm, I didn't mean to start a length/lap controversy... I will now fixate on a donut shaped pool with hanging pace donuts instead. 
2009-07-15 3:43 PM
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lisac957 - 2009-07-15 4:17 PM Really? People are debating this?



-------> 25yd = length




-------->
<------- 50yd - lap

exactly....
2009-07-15 3:46 PM
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Mrdaner - 2009-07-15 4:30 PM
newleaf - 2009-07-15 4:14 PM
LaurenSU02 - 2009-07-15 4:11 PM

newleaf - 2009-07-15 4:03 PM
shelly123 - 2009-07-15 4:00 PM A lap is from one end of the pool to the other end.


Hmm, I always use "length" for that.

What do you consider a length to be, then?

I consider a length to be a lap .



So if someone said to you, "Come sit on my lap," you'd consider it the same if they used the word "length" instead?

Weird.

:P


Would it mean anything different if you said, "Come sit on my length!"
 
Surprised


I have a length in my lap
2009-07-15 3:47 PM
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mrbbrad - 2009-07-15 3:46 PM


I have a length in my lap


LMFAO!


2009-07-15 3:53 PM
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See, I know the definition of lap and length, but I've always heard swimmers refer to a length as a lap, so that's the jargon I've adopted. I did just read something on USA Swimming where they broke down the 400 IM of the top swimmers (including Phelps, etc.). They referred to the 400 as being 8 laps. It didn't specify if it was a 25- or 50-meter pool, but I would assume 50. If that's the case, USA Swimming is considering a lap to be a length.

2009-07-15 4:00 PM
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LaurenSU02 - 2009-07-15 3:53 PM

See, I know the definition of lap and length, but I've always heard swimmers refer to a length as a lap, so that's the jargon I've adopted. I did just read something on USA Swimming where they broke down the 400 IM of the top swimmers (including Phelps, etc.). They referred to the 400 as being 8 laps. It didn't specify if it was a 25- or 50-meter pool, but I would assume 50. If that's the case, USA Swimming is considering a lap to be a length.

They must have been thinking of a 25 meter pool.  That's just crazy!

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2009-07-15 4:46 PM
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How many that consider length a lap have a swimming background?



2009-07-15 4:47 PM
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This place cracks me up! I think this thread might need to get moved over to "Cup of Joe" by the time it hits page 3....

So, "do you consider a length dance to be cheating?" We might need another pole er...poll to go with the lap dance question.
2009-07-15 4:49 PM
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slake707 - 2009-07-15 4:46 PM

How many that consider length a lap have a swimming background?



Length and lap tend to be interchangable when talking swimming among swimmers. By definition though length is down and lap is down and back.
2009-07-15 4:49 PM
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zed707 - 2009-07-15 4:34 PM

All right, this settles it once and for all. I have consulted the unquestionable source of Internet wisdom:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_laps_in_an_olympic_size_swimming_pool_equal_a_mile

seems like answer.com, goes both ways meaning lap=1 way 

2009-07-15 4:57 PM
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tjfry - 2009-07-15 5:49 PM
slake707 - 2009-07-15 4:46 PM

How many that consider length a lap have a swimming background?



Length and lap tend to be interchangable when talking swimming among swimmers. By definition though length is down and lap is down and back.

when working as a lap counter for a 500 in a 25 yard pool what would you board say? last I checked 20.  Never heard of a length counter when swimming. 

2009-07-15 4:59 PM
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LaurenSU02 - 2009-07-15 4:53 PM

See, I know the definition of lap and length, but I've always heard swimmers refer to a length as a lap, so that's the jargon I've adopted. I did just read something on USA Swimming where they broke down the 400 IM of the top swimmers (including Phelps, etc.). They referred to the 400 as being 8 laps. It didn't specify if it was a 25- or 50-meter pool, but I would assume 50. If that's the case, USA Swimming is considering a lap to be a length.



Well considering that an "Olympic" pool (nickname for 50m pool since it's the length used for the Olympics and most international/major championships) is a 50m pool then I'm pretty confident that US Swimming meant a 50m pool and 8 laps as lengths...........  And yes I'd say a lap for most swimmers is one-way (a "length").

Edit to addh man TJ did I just push this to COJ by getting to page 3?!!?Wink


Edited by Skippy74 2009-07-15 5:00 PM


2009-07-15 5:01 PM
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Congratulations on swimming 1600 yards (whether you want to count this as 32 laps, 64 lengths, or 64 laps)!  Kinda proves we're capable of far more than we realize. 

I count 1 lap as down and back (one lap on a track puts you back at your starting point).  As you've observed, others count laps wrong  

As for keeping track on longer workouts?  How much does it really matter?  In the pool, my swim workouts usually have some structure (300 wu, 6x100, 4x200, 300 cd == 2000 yards) so I only have to count to 4, 6, or maybe 8.  I have a pretty consistent swim pace, so I can swim longer sets by time (500 yards is 8:30ish, so if I stop and it's been 7:30, I know I have one more and if it's 9:25 I've probably gone 11 laps instead of 10).  I'm unlikely to run 5 miles on a track (20 laps) so I don't worry about counting laps on a long run, unless it's 2x2.5 mile laps in which case it's pretty easy to know whether I'm on the first or last lap. 

2009-07-15 5:01 PM
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Beej - 2009-07-15 4:42 PM

BuckHamilton - 2009-07-15 4:27 PM
newleaf - 2009-07-15 3:11 PM
shelly123 - 2009-07-15 4:07 PM
newleaf - 2009-07-15 4:03 PM
shelly123 - 2009-07-15 4:00 PM A lap is from one end of the pool to the other end.


Hmm, I always use "length" for that.

What do you consider a length to be, then?
no swim coach or swim team I have been on has ever used length.


I think I will build a big donut-shaped pool, and then I will not have to worry about this.




it also needs a chocolate doughnut hanging from a string about a foot off the water that you can chase.


Hmm, I didn't mean to start a length/lap controversy... I will now fixate on a donut shaped pool with hanging pace donuts instead. 


"Hmmmm........doughnuts" Homer Simpson
2009-07-15 7:14 PM
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slake707 - 2009-07-15 6:46 PM

How many that consider length a lap have a swimming background?


When I swam competitively, we never referred to laps, only lengths (which in a 25m pool, would be 25m).  To tell you the truth, we never really counted lengths either, it was always counted by distance - 8 x 100m or a 400IM or whatever.  That's how I keep track when I am doing a longer swim now, I keep track of the distance covered and I double check against the time elapsed.
2009-07-15 7:29 PM
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lisac957 - 2009-07-15 3:17 PM Really? People are debating this?



-------> 25yd = length




-------->
<------- 50yd - lap



Ok, so what if you swim in a 50 meter pool (like I do)?  Is 50m, which is 1 length...considered to be a lap?  I've always considered wall-to-wall to be a length, and out and back to be a lap too.  But never considered the actual "distance" when interpreting the difference between a length and a lap.   So is 50m in a 50m pool, still considered a length or a lap?   Of course, I'm just adding a little more "fuel" to the fire here. Wink
2009-07-15 7:29 PM
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axteraa - 2009-07-15 8:14 PM
slake707 - 2009-07-15 6:46 PM

How many that consider length a lap have a swimming background?


When I swam competitively, we never referred to laps, only lengths (which in a 25m pool, would be 25m).  To tell you the truth, we never really counted lengths either, it was always counted by distance - 8 x 100m or a 400IM or whatever.  That's how I keep track when I am doing a longer swim now, I keep track of the distance covered and I double check against the time elapsed.

Cool. I have no idea how many laps/lengths are in most the distances I do (well, simple math can easily fiture it out). But if I have to swim an 800, I just swim an 800, and I keep track of distance traveled in my head (or by looking at the clock), I never count how many lengths of the pool I've traveled. I know a lot of people count 1, 2, 3. For me, it's 50, 100, 150, etc. I know of other people who have been swimming their entire lives and they don't even have to keep track, their body just "knows" when they've covered 500m or 1000m, etc.



2009-07-15 7:40 PM
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shelly123 - 2009-07-15 4:07 PM
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shelly123 - 2009-07-15 4:00 PM A lap is from one end of the pool to the other end.


Hmm, I always use "length" for that.

What do you consider a length to be, then?
no swim coach or swim team I have been on has ever used length.

Pleased to meet you.
When you measure the "length" of something you you measure from one end to the other.
When horses or Runner do "laps" they end up back at their starting point.

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2009-07-15 7:48 PM
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verga - 2009-07-15 8:40 PM
shelly123 - 2009-07-15 4:07 PM
newleaf - 2009-07-15 4:03 PM
shelly123 - 2009-07-15 4:00 PM A lap is from one end of the pool to the other end.


Hmm, I always use "length" for that.

What do you consider a length to be, then?
no swim coach or swim team I have been on has ever used length.

Pleased to meet you.
When you measure the "length" of something you you measure from one end to the other.
When horses or Runner do "laps" they end up back at their starting point.

Verga

Ah, yes, and the length of a track is 400m. So, you could say that you run a lap when you cover the entire length of the track in one direction. You swim a lap when you swim the entire length of the pool in one direction. Haha. Just messin'.

2009-07-15 7:57 PM
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I feel cheated. My lap has no length.

I always figured that down and back was a lap. It just made sense to me. If you do a lap, you end up back at the start. Otherwise 200m on a track could be a lap. Right?

But I have no swimming background. Just common sense.

I'm a slow typer... well that and i'm watching wipeout. I didn't see the above post. Funny how two people can see things so different.

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2009-07-15 9:03 PM
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LOL...I'm enjoying this thread. When I started swimming in March I was training with a group of women who had been swimming for years. My first time at the pool I was following their direction as to how to train and the women in charge would tell me how many 'laps' to swim. I assumed one side of the pool to the other and determined that this was what was meant since by my third day at the pool she asked me to swim 36 laps in 25 yd. pool, so about 1/2 mile to train for a sprint. Next time she told me to swim 72 laps, and I know she didn't expect me to swim 2 miles. 

After finding this site I learned I was swimming lengths, not laps, and I have trained myself to say 'lengths' even though it doesn't roll off the tongue as easily. I cannot count in laps, I can only count lengths. I lose track too easily. Each time I go to the pool, I swim about 100 yds. to warm up, then I swim 900 yds. I count my yards in 100's. I count 4 lengths, and say 100, then count 4 more, 200, etc. till I get to 900. It took me a while to find a counting method that keeps me from losing track. I get too disoriented in the pool to wait until I go up and back and say okay, that was one lap.  I'd be wait, what number was that?
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