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 2010-02-08 3:26 PM in reply to: #2661537 |
Champion  9407    Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia |  Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day?I focus on Oly distance and my kit for the bike is a can of Pitstop, crack pipe and a small bottle of water. |
| 2010-02-08 5:08 PM in reply to: #2662015 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? gsmacleod - 2010-02-08 3:26 PM I focus on Oly distance and my kit for the bike is a can of Pitstop, crack pipe and a small bottle of water. That's not a bad idea, I never thought of doing that in an Olympic. |
| 2010-02-08 6:34 PM in reply to: #2661537 |
Extreme Veteran 590 Seattle | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? Sprint- Gu Roctanes, Bottle of Accelerade (this is a longer/harder race) Oly- Gu Roctane (2 bike, 1 run), Accelerade, Water HIM- Saltstick tablets, Gu Roctane, Accelerade, Water |
| 2010-02-08 6:36 PM in reply to: #2662159 |
| Veteran 549 | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? I guess I have been fortunate with flats in that I have done over 30 tri's and never had one. If i did an Ironman I am sure I would carry a tube. |
| 2010-02-08 6:53 PM in reply to: #2661537 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? Sprint, Olympic: In bike bag: Tire lever, CO2, spoke wrench, spare tire (or tube if I'm running clinchers). On bike: One bottle with Gu2O. On me: Nada damn thing. That's it. I barely even touch the drink in a sprint. I force myself to drink in an Olympic even though I really don't need to. HIM or IM? Add in one or two gel flasks which hold 5 gels each. That's it! "Keep it simple stupid." You pay the money for the race and support. Get your money's worth! |
| 2010-02-08 8:05 PM in reply to: #2661986 |
Master 2216 Columbus, OhioCoaching member | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? In a long race like a half, or a race that was a "goal" race that takes months of training and prep...then yea, I'd bother to fix it. For example, I carried a couple of tubes on my MTB when I do a long race. But for sprints and olys? It's just not worth it to me. I race so often that dropping out of one, while annoying, isn't the end of the world. Plus, if you're really bored, you can always walk the bike in and still do the run legally (I've known folks to run in the last couple of miles then do the run...personally, not my thing, but whatever). And, even if you get the SAG wagon in...you can still go out on the run for your own personal benefit. For me, if I flat, race's over. That's just the way it is. OK, I guess that makes sense now. Personally, with limited finances and two small children to juggle, plus a spouse who races also, neither of us have the luxury of signing up for "throw-away races." Even the cheapest race, at $65 plus travel and whatever craziness we have to deal with to make it work as a family is an enormous investment. I guess if I were single and wasn't worried about money, I suppose I could see just chucking a race. I still don't think I would. I once had two flats in a sprint and it took me 2:30 to finish, because I had to wait for someone to throw me a pump. (I lent mine to someone else, because I thought I already had my flat...) I was still proud to finish, and I felt like changing the tires and standing out there in the blazing sun was part of the adventure of it. I think when I hear someone say "it's not worth it for a sprint" what my ear hears is "It's not worth it to do a sprint unless I am going to place well." And that's kind of hurtful to someone who, for many years, had no shot at placing. Just because I do place in my age group now doesn't mean I think it's worthless to finish a race just to finish it. |
| 2010-02-08 8:08 PM in reply to: #2662271 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Acworth, GA | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? Not worth the extra weight for a spare or the time it takes to fix a flat? Wow! Weight for the spare is <1 lb which is < than 1-24oz bottle of water. Flat tire<3 minutes to change, think of it as a chance to get the HR back down in a Sprint/Oly. So unless you are gunning for the podium hardware of a piece of paper/trophy/plaque, weight will add seconds, not minutes and the tube change isn't a deal breaker. |
| 2010-02-08 8:22 PM in reply to: #2661688 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? bryancd - 2010-02-08 1:24 PM veganerd - 2010-02-08 1:21 PM what the hell is the razorblade for? Cut the lines of coke.....  ... But you didn't say you carried a mirror. So, what do you use instead - sunglasses? |
| 2010-02-08 8:25 PM in reply to: #2662405 |
Extreme Veteran 680 Acworth, GA | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? Mirror is on the handlebars, right next to the bell and streamers (which have dimples cause they're aero) |
| 2010-02-08 8:50 PM in reply to: #2662369 |
Expert 771 Farmington, MI | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? ahohl - 2010-02-08 9:05 PM In a long race like a half, or a race that was a "goal" race that takes months of training and prep...then yea, I'd bother to fix it. For example, I carried a couple of tubes on my MTB when I do a long race. But for sprints and olys? It's just not worth it to me. I race so often that dropping out of one, while annoying, isn't the end of the world. Plus, if you're really bored, you can always walk the bike in and still do the run legally (I've known folks to run in the last couple of miles then do the run...personally, not my thing, but whatever). And, even if you get the SAG wagon in...you can still go out on the run for your own personal benefit. For me, if I flat, race's over. That's just the way it is. OK, I guess that makes sense now. Personally, with limited finances and two small children to juggle, plus a spouse who races also, neither of us have the luxury of signing up for "throw-away races." Even the cheapest race, at $65 plus travel and whatever craziness we have to deal with to make it work as a family is an enormous investment. I guess if I were single and wasn't worried about money, I suppose I could see just chucking a race. I still don't think I would. I once had two flats in a sprint and it took me 2:30 to finish, because I had to wait for someone to throw me a pump. (I lent mine to someone else, because I thought I already had my flat...) I was still proud to finish, and I felt like changing the tires and standing out there in the blazing sun was part of the adventure of it. I think when I hear someone say "it's not worth it for a sprint" what my ear hears is "It's not worth it to do a sprint unless I am going to place well." And that's kind of hurtful to someone who, for many years, had no shot at placing. Just because I do place in my age group now doesn't mean I think it's worthless to finish a race just to finish it.
Thumbs up, Mama! |
| 2010-02-08 8:59 PM in reply to: #2662405 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? 1stTimeTri - 2010-02-08 7:22 PM bryancd - 2010-02-08 1:24 PM veganerd - 2010-02-08 1:21 PM what the hell is the razorblade for? Cut the lines of coke..... ... But you didn't say you carried a mirror. So, what do you use instead - sunglasses? he uses my chiseled abs;-) and in reply to calling races: i'm young and single, but cash is VERY tight with me. I look at it like this, but first a bit of background: i've raced since i started 62 multisport 20 cycling races in 4 years. in races i've had exactly 2 flats. so its not exactly a common happening. Now, i race to race to my potential, to place, and hopefully try and win races. that is MY goal. others have diff goals. thats fine, the great part about this sport is we all get to do it for our own reasons. My reason for being out there is to try and win the race. Yours may be to finish, to PR, to meet friends, to stay in shape. that doesnt matter to me, just as my reasons hsould not be an issue for you. Now i look at it like this. in shorter races, my day/race is over if i flat. its going to take me in a perfect worlds 2-3 min to get the tubular off, changed, inflated, etc. in a short course race, at the front, that takes away ANY chance at placing. at that point for ME, it makes more sense to not trash myself and prolong recovery, i might still go out and do the run, i may not, but i will deff train later that day. and if i flat near the end of my race, i can still ride the tubulars back and finish. |
| 2010-02-08 9:00 PM in reply to: #2661537 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? any of you considered going tubeless for your wheels/tires? http://www.notubes.com/movie_road.php pretty much flat resistant. |
| 2010-02-08 9:13 PM in reply to: #2662479 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? Bioteknik - 2010-02-08 8:00 PM any of you considered going tubeless for your wheels/tires? http://www.notubes.com/movie_road.php pretty much flat resistant. nope have not at all |
| 2010-02-08 10:13 PM in reply to: #2662369 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? ahohl - 2010-02-08 8:05 PM OK, I guess that makes sense now. Personally, with limited finances and two small children to juggle, plus a spouse who races also, neither of us have the luxury of signing up for "throw-away races." Even the cheapest race, at $65 plus travel and whatever craziness we have to deal with to make it work as a family is an enormous investment. I guess if I were single and wasn't worried about money, I suppose I could see just chucking a race. I'm not wealthy, I don't have some unlimited hoard of disposable income. I have as many concerns about money as most middle aged, run-of-the mill middle class people. Nor am I single. I also don't consider races as "throw aways." All races have importance. I still don't think I would. I once had two flats in a sprint and it took me 2:30 to finish, because I had to wait for someone to throw me a pump. (I lent mine to someone else, because I thought I already had my flat...) I was still proud to finish, and I felt like changing the tires and standing out there in the blazing sun was part of the adventure of it. While I'm grateful I am healthy and able to participate in this sport, I really don't want to stand in the blazing sun fixing two flats. I'm not in it for the adventure. I'm HAPPY I can have a hobby like this, but the vast majority of races I do aren't for pride or achievement. They're for fun. I think when I hear someone say "it's not worth it for a sprint" what my ear hears is "It's not worth it to do a sprint unless I am going to place well." And that's kind of hurtful to someone who, for many years, had no shot at placing. Just because I do place in my age group now doesn't mean I think it's worthless to finish a race just to finish it. It has nothing to do with placing, nor is it b/c it's "just a sprint." Like I said, I'm out there for some sort of masochistic entertainment--I'm only racing myself. And I have never, ever, ever been a person who says things are "just a sprint." Distance matters in the sense that IF I were going long, it'd be a one-time thing that I spent a hell of a lot of time and energy getting ready for. But, like I said, I have done a lot of races, and there are enough available that if I miss Saturday's or drop out, I can do one on sunday. I don't go into them hoping it happens, but if it does, it does. If I were doing some sort of "A" race, or a race I travelled a long way for, or it's a very long race where time isn't all that crucial...Sure, I'd carry something. But, like I said, I'm not doing that for the vast majority of my races, so I don't care. And even if someone says "I'm not stopping, b/c that would take me out of contention of placing"...so what? Some people are racing for pride, others for OA wins, others for AG, and others b/c they like hanging out with people in spandex. WHY they do what they do doesn't affect you or denigrate your efforts or accomplishments in any way. . |
| 2010-02-08 10:39 PM in reply to: #2662594 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? mmrocker13 - 2010-02-08 9:13 PM ahohl - 2010-02-08 8:05 PM OK, I guess that makes sense now. Personally, with limited finances and two small children to juggle, plus a spouse who races also, neither of us have the luxury of signing up for "throw-away races." Even the cheapest race, at $65 plus travel and whatever craziness we have to deal with to make it work as a family is an enormous investment. I guess if I were single and wasn't worried about money, I suppose I could see just chucking a race. I'm not wealthy, I don't have some unlimited hoard of disposable income. I have as many concerns about money as most middle aged, run-of-the mill middle class people. Nor am I single. I also don't consider races as "throw aways." All races have importance. I still don't think I would. I once had two flats in a sprint and it took me 2:30 to finish, because I had to wait for someone to throw me a pump. (I lent mine to someone else, because I thought I already had my flat...) I was still proud to finish, and I felt like changing the tires and standing out there in the blazing sun was part of the adventure of it. While I'm grateful I am healthy and able to participate in this sport, I really don't want to stand in the blazing sun fixing two flats. I'm not in it for the adventure. I'm HAPPY I can have a hobby like this, but the vast majority of races I do aren't for pride or achievement. They're for fun. I think when I hear someone say "it's not worth it for a sprint" what my ear hears is "It's not worth it to do a sprint unless I am going to place well." And that's kind of hurtful to someone who, for many years, had no shot at placing. Just because I do place in my age group now doesn't mean I think it's worthless to finish a race just to finish it. It has nothing to do with placing, nor is it b/c it's "just a sprint." Like I said, I'm out there for some sort of masochistic entertainment--I'm only racing myself. And I have never, ever, ever been a person who says things are "just a sprint." Distance matters in the sense that IF I were going long, it'd be a one-time thing that I spent a hell of a lot of time and energy getting ready for. But, like I said, I have done a lot of races, and there are enough available that if I miss Saturday's or drop out, I can do one on sunday. I don't go into them hoping it happens, but if it does, it does. If I were doing some sort of "A" race, or a race I travelled a long way for, or it's a very long race where time isn't all that crucial...Sure, I'd carry something. But, like I said, I'm not doing that for the vast majority of my races, so I don't care. And even if someone says "I'm not stopping, b/c that would take me out of contention of placing"...so what? Some people are racing for pride, others for OA wins, others for AG, and others b/c they like hanging out with people in spandex. WHY they do what they do doesn't affect you or denigrate your efforts or accomplishments in any way. . well said. |
| 2010-02-09 12:22 AM in reply to: #2662369 |
Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? ahohl - 2010-02-08 10:05 PM I once had two flats in a sprint and it took me 2:30 to finish, because I had to wait for someone to throw me a pump. (I lent mine to someone else, because I thought I already had my flat...) I was still proud to finish, and I felt like changing the tires and standing out there in the blazing sun was part of the adventure of it. If I was going to be prepared for two flats in a sprint in addition to the tubes I would have to carry resins and carbon fiber mats to repair the bike with after I retrieve it from the woods. Deep in the woods. You are clearly much more mature patient than I am. I doff my hat to you on that one. |
| 2010-02-09 2:15 AM in reply to: #2661537 |
Expert 1138 Texas (Houston area) | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? I wonder if, instead of a flat, one of the elitists here had some other setback where they were no longer in contention for a podium spot, would they just QUIT. I suppose it would be easier to explain that lack of hardware was due to equipment failure rather than someone else just being faster. If I sound bitter, excuse me. I'm still trying to get over something rude said about AGers by an elite at my one and only race so far. Something along the lines of 'you might as well shoot me if an AGer beats me'. I don't remember exactly. I was fuming. Us lowly AGers make up the vast majority of the entrants in these races. I'll try to remember that when, not if, I'm one of the fast guys. OK, rant over. Whew. I feel better now. I hope I didn't offend. |
| 2010-02-09 4:45 AM in reply to: #2662718 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? RacerRik - 2010-02-09 3:15 AM I wonder if, instead of a flat, one of the elitists here had some other setback where they were no longer in contention for a podium spot, would they just QUIT. I suppose it would be easier to explain that lack of hardware was due to equipment failure rather than someone else just being faster. If I sound bitter, excuse me. I'm still trying to get over something rude said about AGers by an elite at my one and only race so far. Something along the lines of 'you might as well shoot me if an AGer beats me'. I don't remember exactly. I was fuming. Us lowly AGers make up the vast majority of the entrants in these races. I'll try to remember that when, not if, I'm one of the fast guys. OK, rant over. Whew. I feel better now. I hope I didn't offend. OT, but don't let one idiot color your opinion of all elite triathletes. The few I've met have all been friendly and encouraging. There are a-holes everywhere you go in life, and it's too short to spend jacked up toward everyone in a particular group just because you won the d-bag lottery one day. |
| 2010-02-09 5:08 AM in reply to: #2661965 |
Elite 3658 Roswell, GA | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? jmk-brooklyn - 2010-02-08 4:01 PM bryancd - 2010-02-08 1:47 PM Have you ever used the pitstop? I have one, but I've never tried it. veganerd - 2010-02-08 1:27 PM wouldnt the wind blow your coke off the bars? I carry PitStop for Ironman. I am not 100% convinced I could even get it imnto my tires with the valve extensions on my front 404 or 606, I have a feeling it would just spray all over the place, but I figure better safe than sorry. I did flat in my first IM in 2007, my rear disc tubular, but managed to change that out with no problems pretty quickly.im switching to tubs for races this year. do you ever use vittoria pit stop? i was thinking of carrying some in case i get a flat and not carrying an extra tire. at least for anything less than a 70.3 then i will carry an extra tire. This is a great question. I've seen a lot of pit stop cans taped to folks bikes at an IM, but I've necer found anyone who has used it. I took my bike out for a spin last year to make sure I had put my race wheels on right and that the shifting was smooth. About 10 miles from home a 16 penny (big nail) went through my beautiful tubbie tire. Of course I still had my saddle bag with inner tubes and tire levers. I was never a good boy scout. Once I got home I decided to give the Pit Stop a shot at it, and it didn't even come close to sealing. The hole size was on the upper edge of the recommendation though. I tried another can with my thumb over the hole as I inflated, but that didn't work either. It was a big hole, but it left me a little worried heading into the big race. I ended up bringing an extra tubbie and bryan's coke setup. Edited by brown_dog_us 2010-02-09 5:09 AM |
| 2010-02-09 6:53 AM in reply to: #2662718 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? RacerRik - 2010-02-09 2:15 AM I wonder if, instead of a flat, one of the elitists here had some other setback where they were no longer in contention for a podium spot, would they just QUIT. I suppose it would be easier to explain that lack of hardware was due to equipment failure rather than someone else just being faster. If I sound bitter, excuse me. I'm still trying to get over something rude said about AGers by an elite at my one and only race so far. Something along the lines of 'you might as well shoot me if an AGer beats me'. I don't remember exactly. I was fuming. Us lowly AGers make up the vast majority of the entrants in these races. I'll try to remember that when, not if, I'm one of the fast guys. OK, rant over. Whew. I feel better now. I hope I didn't offend. Would you like to select soemone in this thread to be the target for your little vengence? I'm glad you feel better taking a shot at people who had NOTHING to do with your bad experience. |
| 2010-02-09 7:50 AM in reply to: #2661537 |
| Member 354 | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? I guess I don't understand ever packing it in if you get a flat. Sure, you may not place or even approach the time you were shooting for, but at the very least it's another good day out training. Spend the $$ registering for the race, driving out there, blah blah blah, and then just quitting because you flatted? That takes maybe 3-5 minutes at the most. I suppose I just don't get it. Even if a flat knocks me out of placing in a race, I'd fix it and move on. I would NEVER just say "OK, day's over, time to go home," for a simple flat. Heck, I've changed a derailer cable in the middle of a race. You've done a lot to get out there time- and money-wise, at least enjoy the day and finish. |
| 2010-02-09 8:01 AM in reply to: #2661537 |
Master 2411 Goodyear, AZ | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? Re Pittstop: I used it once on a training ride, it worked on my regular wheels, it was messy but I blame that on operator-error. I rode another 30 miles on it and tire was still good at finish. I also have the Hutchinson Fix a flat that i tape to my bike for races (I heard it works/fits better on race wheels), I tossed a can to an athlete at Wildflower last year (a la Rebekah Keats, LOL) about 3 miles from the finish, he had race wheels, he found me after the race and thanked me, so it worked for him. I think whether you finish or call it a day due to a flat is completely personal and has a lot to do with the individual's goal for that particular race. I think no more or less of any athlete that either calls it a day or chooses to take time to fix it and finish, I just always feel bad for anyone who has to deal with it on race day but it's always a possibility and one you should have a plan for either way. |
| 2010-02-09 9:01 AM in reply to: #2661537 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? MOP age-grouper- All events- tube/small multitool-levers/CO2,ID in small seatbag. Gel(s) taped to top tube. Sprints- 1 gel & 1 bottle (just to wash down the gel). I do 1 gel 5-10min before start, then 1 ~30mi later on bike course. Oly- 2-4 gels & 2 bottles (1 aero, 1std) if no aid on bike course. Oly can be significantly longer exercise time for MOP-BOPers, and that extra time is sometimes in the heat of late morning (e.g. for 8AM start in July/Aug) so hydration can start to become an issue. I will always fix a flat & continue on, if only to avoid the possible long walk in (up to 12 mi in an out&back Oly course). I try to avoid being a burden to SAG wagon (or anyone else) if I can help it. BTW-Weight is essentially a non-issue for most courses. Aero is everything. Play with the calculators on analyticcycling.com. Even a full extra pound means almost nothing to speed (~1watt @ 300W effort, which is within statistical variance of most powermeters). |
| 2010-02-09 9:27 AM in reply to: #2662718 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: What do you carry on race day? RacerRik - 2010-02-09 2:15 AM I wonder if, instead of a flat, one of the elitists here had some other setback where they were no longer in contention for a podium spot, would they just QUIT. I suppose it would be easier to explain that lack of hardware was due to equipment failure rather than someone else just being faster. If I sound bitter, excuse me. I'm still trying to get over something rude said about AGers by an elite at my one and only race so far. Something along the lines of 'you might as well shoot me if an AGer beats me'. I don't remember exactly. I was fuming. Us lowly AGers make up the vast majority of the entrants in these races. I'll try to remember that when, not if, I'm one of the fast guys. OK, rant over. Whew. I feel better now. I hope I didn't offend. So one person pi$$ed in your cheerios about something, and you're going to be angry at everyone in the rest of the world who isn't exactly like you b/c of it? Wow. Might I suggest you curl up in bed, disconnect the TV and the internet, cancel your newspaper subscription, and become the next Howard Hughes, b/c guess what? There are d!ckwads everywhere. I've been doing this sport a long time, and have met and know a large number of elites (Not pros--AG elites), inlcuding some who have been named athlete of the year. They've all been nothing but gracious, normal folks. But if, god forbid, someone DID turn out to be an a$$clown? So what? Azzclowns are EVERYWHERE. It sucks, but it's true. No one here said anything about anyone's race, or claimed to be the best in the world, or denigrated anyone else. They simply said that course of action wasn't for them. For all you know, they could be finishing dead last every race. I wonder if, instead of a flat, one of the elitists here had some other setback where they were no longer in contention for a podium spot, would they just QUIT. I suppose it would be easier to explain that lack of hardware was due to equipment failure rather than someone else just being faster. I'm neither an elite, nor an elitist, but I don't carry a spare tire and CO2 in most races, as for me, I consider my race over if I stop and flat in that case. That being said, I've had plenty of setbacks. I've had crashes that took me off the track for months--and then made getting back out there utterly horrifying. I've had to miss large portions of a season b/c of injuries. I had a knee surgery that ended any hope of being a moderately FOP runner, and took away my ability to run anything longer than 10-13 miles once in a blue moon, and my ability to run more than 2-3x a week. And now, I had an injury that may make it so i CAN'T run again, period. So, yes, I've had plenty of setbacks. And I'm still out there plugging away. And I'm still not carrying a tire in a sprint. :p So...did you offend? No. I don't offend that easily. But I do think you're talking silly talk, and I wish people would stop making assumptions and reading into stuff people say...just b/c they have different motivations in life. |
 2010-02-09 10:11 AM in reply to: #2661537 |
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