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2005-11-04 4:32 PM
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Im going to second the australian shepard, they are amazing dogs, smart, friendly, good with kids.


2005-11-04 4:46 PM
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Tracey makes a great point about getting an older resuce dog as a first dog for the kids. An older dog will be mellower, usually potty trained, and oh-so-grateful to find a loving home. I imagine you have your hands full already with kids, home, training...getting an older dog will be less work for you.

I used to work at a shelter, and believe me when I say - ask the staff about thier favorite dogs. When you work in those places you really get an insiders look at the character of the individual dogs. They will know things about the dogs that you can't see from just looking at them in the kennel, or read on a chart. Kennel staff will probably show you a dog you'd have never looked at b/c it will probably not be the cutest, or the smallest, or the least likely to shed on your sofa. But keep an open mind. The single most important thing is tempermant, tempermant, tempermant. Good on a leash, calm, good with kids & other animals. All of these things can be had in a snap if you are willing to take in an older dog that maybe isn't the ideal in the looks department, but is already trained, and well behaved/socialized.

Even if you get a puppy, since you have kids, I think you should steer away from terriers: they can be high-stung and nippy. Think about shepards and retrievers.

Also, if you do go to the shelter, go more than once, and talk to different staff when you do. Don't take the kids.

Best of luck!

2005-11-04 5:18 PM
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ChuckyFinster - 2005-11-04 5:16 PM

heh, didn't expect such a backlash. I'm of the belief that the dog that was beaten/starved/deprived of love/left to the environment by his owner and ends up playing with your five year old MAY one day let loose some bottled up agression that you had no idea was there. I certainly don't want the potential for those influences in my living room. If you want a project, then by all means, do the PC thing. There are certainly advantages to both, I just think that the puppy you raise will be closer to center than the dog that just got out of the joint.


Not all dogs at shelters have been abused/neglected. Some end up there when their owners pass away, or are financially unable to take care of them, or when a family moves and can't take them. Yes, there are neglect cases, but it's not all of them. Superfuzz and I often go to the Humane Society "just to look", and the majority of dogs there are surrenders due to moving, not because of abuse.
2005-11-04 5:52 PM
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I say go for a puppy, a mixed breed (maybe a mix of two of yoru favorites), and go to obiedience school with teh dog and your son.   Your son may not be able to pay attention, but if he knows that the dog has rules to follow as well, they can work on those things together with your help.  This is how my brother started with our first puppy (he was 10, I was 5).  He has since raised some of the best behaved dogs I've ever met, and runs a dog training forum (retrievertraining.net).  I think it all stemmed from my parents taking him (and the pup) to obedience school.   
2005-11-04 6:02 PM
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phoenixazul - 2005-11-04 3:18 PM

ChuckyFinster - 2005-11-04 5:16 PM

heh, didn't expect such a backlash. I'm of the belief that the dog that was beaten/starved/deprived of love/left to the environment by his owner and ends up playing with your five year old MAY one day let loose some bottled up agression that you had no idea was there. I certainly don't want the potential for those influences in my living room. If you want a project, then by all means, do the PC thing. There are certainly advantages to both, I just think that the puppy you raise will be closer to center than the dog that just got out of the joint.


Not all dogs at shelters have been abused/neglected. Some end up there when their owners pass away, or are financially unable to take care of them, or when a family moves and can't take them. Yes, there are neglect cases, but it's not all of them. Superfuzz and I often go to the Humane Society "just to look", and the majority of dogs there are surrenders due to moving, not because of abuse.


Yes and don’t forget the dogs who are simply strays. They got separated from their owners and were never found. Hmm, okay maybe that is a form of neglect.

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2005-11-04 7:38 PM
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ChuckyFinster - 2005-11-04 3:16 PM heh, didn't expect such a backlash. I'm of the belief that the dog that was beaten/starved/deprived of love/left to the environment by his owner and ends up playing with your five year old MAY one day let loose some bottled up agression that you had no idea was there. I certainly don't want the potential for those influences in my living room. If you want a project, then by all means, do the PC thing. There are certainly advantages to both, I just think that the puppy you raise will be closer to center than the dog that just got out of the joint.

The story of Murphy, the adopted dog:

He was turned in to the Humane Society as a stray, don't know how long he was there before he was adopted.  Also, don't know how long he lasted in adoption before being returned.  The reasons given were that he was too destructive, energetic and rambunctious.  (That means they didn't want to take the time to train for one and they never realized that a Pointer/Beagle mix is going to be a lot of energy as both breeds are hunters and love to run.)

Anyway, after being returned he was passed by for 5 months before we got him. (Just look at that face in my avatar).  We were watching my in-laws Boston Terrier for the winter ('03-04) when I asked my wife "So when are we getting Sophie a playmate?"  Reply, "We can start looking."   So after about a month of looking...to make sure we wanted a dog and got one that worked for us (live in a condo and no fenced yard), we were taking the Boston Terrier to meet all the dogs we thought were potential and she helped us pick Murphy as they got along great at the Humane Society run yard.

He was a small handful when he came home.  After being cooped up for 5 months he was always trying to get out any open door.  We started him on obiedience training and is a total sucker for treat training.  He's a much improved dog in the last year and a half.

A rescue dog can be a bit more work to train that a puppy, yet they can be trained.  And a lot of shelters work with dogs on obedience before letting them get adopted.

Make sure you take your son with you when you look at dogs (if you go to a rescue) as it's higly recommended that all family members meet the animal to make sure there are no issues.

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2005-11-04 9:14 PM
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German shorthairs - very playful, but not too rowdy!
2005-11-05 8:12 AM
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Sounds like a terrier would be perfect. Maybe stay away fom Jack Russells as they can be quite highly strung. A Westie might work well.

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2005-11-05 9:57 AM
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I saw in the news the other day that somebody was breading Beagles with Pugs..(i kid you not)   and it was becoming the new fad,  calling them Puggles.

And somewhere else, Crossing Labradors with Poodles.  Laboodles.

2005-11-05 10:11 AM
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They also do Yorkie-Poodle mixes called Yorkadoodles. I'm shocked they didn't go with "Porkies" instead.

Bill

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2005-11-05 10:17 AM
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How about an English Mastiff? You'll never have to worry about anyone breaking into your house ever again.


2005-11-05 12:43 PM
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2005-11-05 1:52 PM
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I had a mutt that I took in off the street then took him to the vet for shots and such. He was obviously abused and neglected before we got him. He was the most gentle and loyal dog I had ever had. Because of that I will never pay money for a dog ever again. Unless you have a specific purpose for the dog (ie work dog/ hunting) I don't see the point of paying money for a pure breed dog. Especially when there are so many great dogs in shelters and rescues that need good homes.
2005-11-05 4:45 PM
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Or the even more popular Labrad-oodle.
2005-11-05 5:19 PM
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we just got an american staffordshire terrier yesterday... it is a pitbull without the attitude.. "zeus" is 10 weeks old and really hates his kennel... he whines for at least 30 minutes when he goes in there for nights...
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2005-11-06 4:29 PM
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I second the shelter, rescue dog scenario for you but spend time there. I think these dogs need a break and they will certainly get the love they deserve from an adoring child.

Go on make a dawg happy as well as your son.

2005-11-06 11:27 PM
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How can you say no to thses faces?


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2005-11-07 8:53 AM
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macfights - 2005-11-05 5:19 PM

we just got an american staffordshire terrier yesterday


GREAT dogs!

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2005-11-07 1:57 PM
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We got Cadie from the Humane Society (see avator).  We wanted a dog that wasn't a tiny puppy, but young-ish.  She was about 6 months, picked up as a stray and weighs about 43 lbs..perfect for our home. She had a few issues, but nothing we couldn't deal with through an obedience class, regular exercise and TLC. Anyway, some of the private purebreed rescue dog organizations offer fostering opportunities or you and your son could volunteer to be a dog walker for a shelter or rescue organization to help you get to know dogs. When we were visiting with Cadie at the Shelter and the worker came in, Cadie totally blew us off to love on the worker, because she knew the worker loved her. Learn about different breed characteristics and see which breeds have qualities you like...then, visit your shelters.  but please remember...any dog, ANY dog, even a purebred raised from a puppy in your home, can decide to bite one day. Its your responsibility as a pet owner to minimize that risk through training, exercise and lots and lots of TLC, no matter what kind of dog you get, or where it comes from.

You may also want to consider whether or not your new pet will be a training buddy for you.  I had friends who adopted and adult dog so they wouldn't have to deal with the potty training thing and also because it was mature enough in bone structure to run 3 miles with the husband.

Enjoy!
2005-11-08 5:47 PM
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Lara - 2005-11-04 11:58 AM

To keep my from Hijacking the BC thread.  I've been considering getting a dog or puppy for my 7 yo son.  I can't seem to pass of goldfish and hermit crabs as real pets anymore

I would like an indoor/outdoor dog.  Something that doesn't shed too much, isn't too much of a barker and is great with kids.  Our yard is pretty average, big for a tract house near .2 acre. 

Any thoughts or sugguestions are appreciated

Thanks!

Lara



Do YOU (and other adults in the house) want a dog? Have you considered borrowing a dog for a week or two (maybe have your son "dogsit" for a friend or neighbor)? He may very well decide that it isn't nearly as much fun as he thought it would be. Regardless of breed, every dog needs some exercise, food, water, attention, and stimulation every day. "Smart" dogs need lots of stimulation/attention or they'll start doing things to entertain themselves and/or get the stimulation they crave. Big dogs need lots of food (and make big messes).

I like dogs, but we don't have any for some of the reasons listed above. (We do occasionally dogsit.)


2005-11-08 10:16 PM
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I don't think I could ever bring myself to pay the money for a pure bred after the experience I have had with my current dog.  My wife and I got her just after getting married from the shelter.  She was about 3 months old.  As near as we(and the shelter) could tell she was some sort of retriever mix(lab or golden).  Thought she would be about 40-50 lbs etc.  It is now about 7 years later and she is truly a part of the family.  She grew to about 80 lbs of pure muscle.  As she grew into adulthood, it appeared she was a retriever(golden or yellow lab) mixed with either a Rotty, Pittbull, or Chow(she has that cement block head).  We nor our vet can really tell.  We have since had children and we were a little worried about her with our first daughter.  But they are the best of friends and Maggie(the dog) is so gentle and protective of Macie(the daughter), yet she loves to rough house with me.  And she is an incredible watch/guard dog.  Someone would have to be crazy to walk into my backyard uninvited.  Just the best puppy dog I have ever owned.

Whatever route you take, I would strongly encourage some sort of structured training.  We just went to some dog training classes at the nearby PetSmart when our dog was a puppy.  It is good idea for just the basic obedience stuff.  If it's in your budget, I would actually have the dog professionally trained.



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I'm kind of partial to German Shorthairs:






2005-11-10 7:21 PM
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I have a Chinese Crested Hairless and a Great Dane. The Dane is big but not very energetic. However he sheds like a cheap fur. The Chinese Crested doesn't shed but barks at the TV whenever anything he deems annoying comes on.... (UGH). Actually the Dane barks more now than he used to he's 6 and since he's never been fixed he's gotten crotchedy. ON the upside... The UPS/Fedex/DHL guys don't bother me. THey just chuck stuff on the porch and I get to trip over it on my way in or out.

As for your original question... Mutts usually make great kids dogs... small dogs usually get nippy, big dogs jump so something in the medium range is usually the perfect fit. BUT if you want a running buddy to boot... Get a Lab or Golden.

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