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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Goosedog - 2012-10-10 9:51 AM bradword - 2012-10-10 10:49 AM I guess everyone here thinking this is out of line is also anti-union? But that's different. lol, good point. Yeah Unions don't ever tell people who to vote for. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-10-10 10:19 AM Unfortunately Westgate Resorts is a private company and so douchebag Siegel can do what he wants with it and his employees. As to the douche thing, you tell me...
Unites States of America versus Westgate Resorts Ltd Not sure what any of that has to do with him laying off people or not. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tuwood - 2012-10-10 11:19 AM I actually commend him for speaking the truth. He may come across as a D-Bag, but quite simply the actions of the current government to vilify the 1% and make them "pay their fair share" has consequences. The consequences are jobs, plain and simple. If you raise his taxes by $1M per year then that's $1M that he is either going to cut out of his companies bottom line or $1M that he is not spending on luxury items that will effect other businesses. Most people who support hammering the rich choose to ignore this aspect and get their feathers ruffled when somebody dares say he'd actually lay people off. So, yes I'd work for him. (at least until he fired me) I find it hard to believe that he literally spends every dollar (or million) that comes his way. There is no other investment or saving going on? If you can afford to spend $1M on luxury goods, then you have money that can be used for other things. And if the country is in debt, I believe you have an obligation to make sure the system that allowed you amass that kind of income remains intact for those that come later. I am sure that he could close up his businesses, and be fine financially for the rest of his days. And if he chooses to do so because he wants to do so, more power to him. Take your marbles, and live in your American Versailles. But to threaten to do so because he might be asked to pay taxes that are no longer the lowest they have been since the 1950's? Douche move. What he is really saying here is that I have lots of money, I want more, and I don't want to have to pay taxes to support doing so at rates higher than my lowest paid employees. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 9:48 AM Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:23 AM So, if I say to you, “Hand over your money or I’ll kill you”, you would say that I’m “encouraging” you to hand over your money? Interesting perspective. pitt83 - 2012-10-10 9:20 AM Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:56 AM Eh.....who cares? I didn't see any "veiled threats"....just his views on what he sees ahead for HIS company. If the guy can grow a business to 7000 employees I'm sure he can do the math on Obama's promised tax increase, see what it means to his bottom line, and let his employees know that he will cut jobs. I'd only be looking for another job if Obama gets elected. This is a veiled threat followed by some passive / aggresive CYA language: "What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best"That sounds more like veiled encouragement than a veiled threat.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! How you got there from a business owner telling his people that he would have to cut back if taxes got raised is beyond me. There is no way to make this stuff up. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshR - 2012-10-10 9:42 AM I saw this article and immediately thought I would try to find another job ASAP.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/09/news/economy/siegel-email-employees/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
I read the letter/email and immediately thought "this is a guy I would want to work for". He seems pretty arrogant but makes some very good points from the business owner's perspective. |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() What do I have to do and how much is the salary? If he wants me to test out video games for 1 mil a year, I might put up with the politcal views. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gearboy - 2012-10-10 10:26 AM tuwood - 2012-10-10 11:19 AM I actually commend him for speaking the truth. He may come across as a D-Bag, but quite simply the actions of the current government to vilify the 1% and make them "pay their fair share" has consequences. The consequences are jobs, plain and simple. If you raise his taxes by $1M per year then that's $1M that he is either going to cut out of his companies bottom line or $1M that he is not spending on luxury items that will effect other businesses. Most people who support hammering the rich choose to ignore this aspect and get their feathers ruffled when somebody dares say he'd actually lay people off. So, yes I'd work for him. (at least until he fired me) I find it hard to believe that he literally spends every dollar (or million) that comes his way. There is no other investment or saving going on? If you can afford to spend $1M on luxury goods, then you have money that can be used for other things. And if the country is in debt, I believe you have an obligation to make sure the system that allowed you amass that kind of income remains intact for those that come later. I am sure that he could close up his businesses, and be fine financially for the rest of his days. And if he chooses to do so because he wants to do so, more power to him. Take your marbles, and live in your American Versailles. But to threaten to do so because he might be asked to pay taxes that are no longer the lowest they have been since the 1950's? Douche move. What he is really saying here is that I have lots of money, I want more, and I don't want to have to pay taxes to support doing so at rates higher than my lowest paid employees. But if they raise his taxes by $1 million, then he will not be able to pay his employees $1 million for sex. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kevin_trapp - 2012-10-10 11:31 AM But if they raise his taxes by $1 million, then he will not be able to pay his employees $1 million for sex. I wish the politicians would stay out of our bedrooms.
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gearboy - 2012-10-10 10:26 AM tuwood - 2012-10-10 11:19 AM I actually commend him for speaking the truth. He may come across as a D-Bag, but quite simply the actions of the current government to vilify the 1% and make them "pay their fair share" has consequences. The consequences are jobs, plain and simple. If you raise his taxes by $1M per year then that's $1M that he is either going to cut out of his companies bottom line or $1M that he is not spending on luxury items that will effect other businesses. Most people who support hammering the rich choose to ignore this aspect and get their feathers ruffled when somebody dares say he'd actually lay people off. So, yes I'd work for him. (at least until he fired me) I find it hard to believe that he literally spends every dollar (or million) that comes his way. There is no other investment or saving going on? If you can afford to spend $1M on luxury goods, then you have money that can be used for other things. And if the country is in debt, I believe you have an obligation to make sure the system that allowed you amass that kind of income remains intact for those that come later. I am sure that he could close up his businesses, and be fine financially for the rest of his days. And if he chooses to do so because he wants to do so, more power to him. Take your marbles, and live in your American Versailles. But to threaten to do so because he might be asked to pay taxes that are no longer the lowest they have been since the 1950's? Douche move. What he is really saying here is that I have lots of money, I want more, and I don't want to have to pay taxes to support doing so at rates higher than my lowest paid employees. If all things remained the same (Ceteris paribus) then you would be correct. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way no matter how much money you make. If the government takes $1000 more away from you every year that's $1000 that you won't spend, save, or invest. It will have an impact somewhere. It's no different for you, me, or a billionaire. If it's simply that the money doesn't get put into a bank account somewhere then that's a bank that has less money to work with so a loan doesn't get made somewhere or whatever. Taking money from the rich is nothing more than the government saying we know how to spend your money better than you do. (and there's no way it will go to the debt, it will likely go to some other social program) |
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![]() | ![]() SCamp07 - 2012-10-10 10:29 AM JoshR - 2012-10-10 9:42 AM I saw this article and immediately thought I would try to find another job ASAP.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/10/09/news/economy/siegel-email-employees/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
I read the letter/email and immediately thought "this is a guy I would want to work for". He seems pretty arrogant but makes some very good points from the business owner's perspective. I kinda feel the same way, looking at it from the perspective of watching my Dad own/operate a small business for 20 years. At least he's giving them a head's up...? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The guy employs 7,000 people....MAKE HIM PAY MORE!!!! Make it harder on him!! This is the way out of our financial mess!!!
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() lisac957 - 2012-10-10 10:06 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 8:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche. What does the size of his house have to do with anything? Would he be less of a douche if it was the 2nd or 3rd largest house in the country? Are we not allowed to spend money we earn now without massive criticism? It’s his company and he can structure his own compensation any way he chooses, but if I’m an employee making $50k at a private company, I wouldn’t look favorably upon the owner if he decided he couldn’t afford my salary but can afford to build a home that would make Xerxes blush. He’s clearly, based on this at least, not a guy who cares very much about what his employees think of him, and, as someone has already pointed out, it is his right to think whatever he wants. He built the company and gave them their job, and they can choose to stay or go. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 11:11 AM lisac957 - 2012-10-10 10:06 AM It’s his company and he can structure his own compensation any way he chooses, but if I’m an employee making $50k at a private company, I wouldn’t look favorably upon the owner if he decided he couldn’t afford my salary but can afford to build a home that would make Xerxes blush. He’s clearly, based on this at least, not a guy who cares very much about what his employees think of him, and, as someone has already pointed out, it is his right to think whatever he wants. He built the company and gave them their job, and they can choose to stay or go. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 8:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche. What does the size of his house have to do with anything? Would he be less of a douche if it was the 2nd or 3rd largest house in the country? Are we not allowed to spend money we earn now without massive criticism? The thing to do there is to go start your own company....that way you can spend your money in the way you see fit. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 12:11 PM He’s clearly, based on this at least, not a guy who cares very much about what his employees think of him, . . . . I would more likely base that on what his employees think, than his spending habits.
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I worked for ExxonMobil for a few years and we got very similar emails from the company PAC when W was running against Gore - it bugged me. But I'm kind of surprised this is such big news, honestly - it's got to happen at a lot of big companies during election time. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() JoshR - 2012-10-10 10:51 AM rayd - 2012-10-10 8:26 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-10-10 7:57 AM Someone who threatens his employees’ jobs over something over which they have no control all while he’s busy building the largest home in the country is not someone I would want to work for. He sounds like a douche. yea, he's a douche. But he has a right to express his opinion on what he sees the future of the company. If the president of my company did something similar I sure would not quit over it. But I might start looking for another job. Yeah my point was I'd start looking for a new job ASAP, not quit. If he truly thinks that he can't run his business because of who is in the presidency, then I'm thinking I need a more secure job. He didn't say I can't. He said I won't. Big difference. ETA: A quote from the email as reported by the Orlando Sentinel: "You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive," he concludes. "My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about. Edited by japarker24 2012-10-10 1:24 PM |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() japarker24 - 2012-10-10 2:15 PM "You see, I can no longer support a system that penalizes the productive and gives to the unproductive," he concludes. "My motivation to work and to provide jobs will be destroyed, and with it, so will your opportunities. If that happens, you can find me in the Caribbean sitting on the beach, under a palm tree, retired, and with no employees to worry about. Wasn't Alec Baldwin supposed to do this when Pres. Bush was re-elected?
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So..........
It's ok when the Unions pressure members to vote for their candidate, but not a CEO? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2012-10-10 1:35 PM So..........
It's ok when the Unions pressure members to vote for their candidate, but not a CEO? SHHHHHH!!! Nobody wants to answer that. Edited by Left Brain 2012-10-10 1:37 PM |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-10-10 1:37 PM Meulen - 2012-10-10 1:35 PM So..........
It's ok when the Unions pressure members to vote for their candidate, but not a CEO? SHHHHHH!!! Nobody wants to answer that. Just doing my part to instigate. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:23 AM pitt83 - 2012-10-10 9:20 AM Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:56 AM Eh.....who cares? I didn't see any "veiled threats"....just his views on what he sees ahead for HIS company. If the guy can grow a business to 7000 employees I'm sure he can do the math on Obama's promised tax increase, see what it means to his bottom line, and let his employees know that he will cut jobs. I'd only be looking for another job if Obama gets elected. This is a veiled threat followed by some passive / aggresive CYA language: "What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best"That sounds more like veiled encouragement than a veiled threat. The law is clear, you cannot attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce anyone in the decision for how to vote for president {42 US 1971(b)}. The man tells his employees "So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job." It's a matter of opinion on whether you'd consider this intimidation or not, but I bet there's a line of lawyers willing to represent any Democrat employed at Westgate. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kevin_trapp - 2012-10-10 3:43 PM The law is clear, you cannot attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce anyone in the decision for how to vote for president {42 US 1971(b)}. I'm going to start posting this on every single idiotic election post on Facebook.
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Meulen - 2012-10-10 12:35 PM So..........
It's ok when the Unions pressure members to vote for their candidate, but not a CEO?
That wasn't the point of my thread. I was asking, what people would do. I think I've made it clear I'm not voting for Romney or Obama and have an intense dislike for both of them. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kevin_trapp - 2012-10-10 2:43 PM Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:23 AM pitt83 - 2012-10-10 9:20 AM Left Brain - 2012-10-10 9:56 AM Eh.....who cares? I didn't see any "veiled threats"....just his views on what he sees ahead for HIS company. If the guy can grow a business to 7000 employees I'm sure he can do the math on Obama's promised tax increase, see what it means to his bottom line, and let his employees know that he will cut jobs. I'd only be looking for another job if Obama gets elected. This is a veiled threat followed by some passive / aggresive CYA language: "What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration. Of course, as your employer, I can't tell you whom to vote for, and I certainly wouldn't interfere with your right to vote for whomever you choose. In fact, I encourage you to vote for whomever you think will serve your interests the best"That sounds more like veiled encouragement than a veiled threat. The law is clear, you cannot attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce anyone in the decision for how to vote for president {42 US 1971(b)}. The man tells his employees "So, when you make your decision to vote, ask yourself, which candidate understands the economics of business ownership and who doesn't? Whose policies will endanger your job? Answer those questions and you should know who might be the one capable of protecting and saving your job." It's a matter of opinion on whether you'd consider this intimidation or not, but I bet there's a line of lawyers willing to represent any Democrat employed at Westgate. Dude, there's a line of lawyers willing to represent my dog if I forget to feed it one day. Again, this is some of the best entertainment around....there's no way to make this stuff up. Can you imagine some lawyer trying to prove that a boss knew how their employee voted so that's why they fired them......maybe the best course for an employee of that company would be to run into the boss's office if Obama wins screaming, "I VOTED FOR OBAMA!!!!!"....then at least they can say he knew. LMAO Edited by Left Brain 2012-10-10 3:21 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Goosedog - 2012-10-10 2:48 PM kevin_trapp - 2012-10-10 3:43 PM The law is clear, you cannot attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce anyone in the decision for how to vote for president {42 US 1971(b)}. I'm going to start posting this on every single idiotic election post on Facebook. I am thinking I should go back as far as I can and find all of the FB posts with anything to do with an election post, not just the idiotic ones. Wait.......that might be the same amount.
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