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2012-12-24 8:32 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-23 10:39 PM Just to clarify why I feel this way, it has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. It is entirely about safety. Even if I never own a gun, I want my kids to know gun safety in case they find one, see one at their friends house, or any other situation where I'm not there. If ~50% of households have guns in them, it's only logical.
I agree with you completely here. Nothing to do with rights or politics, it's kiddo safety. A lot of people want nothing to do with firearms to the point they never teach safety to their kids, "After all, there'll never be a gun in my house" Yeah, but your kid WILL be at least in the same room as one at some point(s) while growing up. As I said, I would vote for that in a heartbeat!

Nope, this didn't happen ONCE while I was growing up. 



2012-12-24 8:37 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-23 7:31 PM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-23 11:12 AM I would also like to see firearm safety part of the curriculum, no different than teaching them about HIV. Both can kill but education severely cuts down the risks.
I've been saying that should be one of the mandatory items for graduation from HS in the US for years now. You're right, it would save lives. I'd vote for that in a heartbeat.
I don't know about mandatory, but it should at least be available. I think most people grow up either immersed in gun culture (family are gun owners, they grow up hunting, target shooting, etc) or they never see a gun close up unless they actively seek it out somehow. It's no wonder the debate is so polarized. You have half the people for whom guns are an ordinary part of everyday life and the other half for whom they're totally foreign.

I'd like to see mandatory financial planning/education in schools. 

You're right - guns are totally foreign to me, and I'm fine with that.  Having never seen the need or want for one, I don't know how I'd feel about it potentially being part of a curriculum.  

2012-12-24 8:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Have you asked your kids about armed guards in schools?
blueyedbikergirl - 2012-12-24 8:32 AM

DanielG - 2012-12-24 4:01 AM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-23 10:39 PM Just to clarify why I feel this way, it has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. It is entirely about safety. Even if I never own a gun, I want my kids to know gun safety in case they find one, see one at their friends house, or any other situation where I'm not there. If ~50% of households have guns in them, it's only logical.
I agree with you completely here. Nothing to do with rights or politics, it's kiddo safety. A lot of people want nothing to do with firearms to the point they never teach safety to their kids, "After all, there'll never be a gun in my house" Yeah, but your kid WILL be at least in the same room as one at some point(s) while growing up. As I said, I would vote for that in a heartbeat!

Nope, this didn't happen ONCE while I was growing up. 

. But, you were Canadian and had to worry about traps. *runs away*
2012-12-24 8:44 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-12-24 8:41 AM
blueyedbikergirl - 2012-12-24 8:32 AM

DanielG - 2012-12-24 4:01 AM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-23 10:39 PM Just to clarify why I feel this way, it has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. It is entirely about safety. Even if I never own a gun, I want my kids to know gun safety in case they find one, see one at their friends house, or any other situation where I'm not there. If ~50% of households have guns in them, it's only logical.
I agree with you completely here. Nothing to do with rights or politics, it's kiddo safety. A lot of people want nothing to do with firearms to the point they never teach safety to their kids, "After all, there'll never be a gun in my house" Yeah, but your kid WILL be at least in the same room as one at some point(s) while growing up. As I said, I would vote for that in a heartbeat!

Nope, this didn't happen ONCE while I was growing up. 

. But, you were Canadian and had to worry about traps. *runs away*

You have no idea!!!  It's incredibly tough to tip toe around all the igloos making sure to avoid all the traps while at the same time looking for maple trees to spike for sap and being overly sensitive to the fact that a moose could show up at any moment looking for a hockey fight. 

2012-12-24 9:01 AM
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blueyedbikergirl - 2012-12-24 8:44 AM
1stTimeTri - 2012-12-24 8:41 AM
blueyedbikergirl - 2012-12-24 8:32 AM

DanielG - 2012-12-24 4:01 AM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-23 10:39 PM Just to clarify why I feel this way, it has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. It is entirely about safety. Even if I never own a gun, I want my kids to know gun safety in case they find one, see one at their friends house, or any other situation where I'm not there. If ~50% of households have guns in them, it's only logical.
I agree with you completely here. Nothing to do with rights or politics, it's kiddo safety. A lot of people want nothing to do with firearms to the point they never teach safety to their kids, "After all, there'll never be a gun in my house" Yeah, but your kid WILL be at least in the same room as one at some point(s) while growing up. As I said, I would vote for that in a heartbeat!

Nope, this didn't happen ONCE while I was growing up. 

. But, you were Canadian and had to worry about traps. *runs away*

You have no idea!!!  It's incredibly tough to tip toe around all the igloos making sure to avoid all the traps while at the same time looking for maple trees to spike for sap and being overly sensitive to the fact that a moose could show up at any moment looking for a hockey fight. 

. I thought the Mounties took care of that?????
2012-12-24 9:17 AM
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1stTimeTri - 2012-12-24 9:01 AM

blueyedbikergirl - 2012-12-24 8:44 AM
1stTimeTri - 2012-12-24 8:41 AM
blueyedbikergirl - 2012-12-24 8:32 AM

DanielG - 2012-12-24 4:01 AM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-23 10:39 PM Just to clarify why I feel this way, it has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. It is entirely about safety. Even if I never own a gun, I want my kids to know gun safety in case they find one, see one at their friends house, or any other situation where I'm not there. If ~50% of households have guns in them, it's only logical.
I agree with you completely here. Nothing to do with rights or politics, it's kiddo safety. A lot of people want nothing to do with firearms to the point they never teach safety to their kids, "After all, there'll never be a gun in my house" Yeah, but your kid WILL be at least in the same room as one at some point(s) while growing up. As I said, I would vote for that in a heartbeat!

Nope, this didn't happen ONCE while I was growing up. 

. But, you were Canadian and had to worry about traps. *runs away*

You have no idea!!!  It's incredibly tough to tip toe around all the igloos making sure to avoid all the traps while at the same time looking for maple trees to spike for sap and being overly sensitive to the fact that a moose could show up at any moment looking for a hockey fight. 

. I thought the Mounties took care of that?????


Everyone knows they're too busy untying women from railroad tracks to worry about stuff like that.


2012-12-24 9:40 AM
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I get a chuckle out of some of the news interviews around here.  Parents going on and on about "I'll never send my child to a school with armed guards" as they're sitting outside the high school dropping their kids off at a school that has had armed guards for years.  lol

All my kids' schools have armed guards at Middle and High School.  The elementary's have a roving police officer that is there on occasion, but not every day like the other schools.

No, my kids don't go to inner city schools they're in the fancy suburb schools.

2012-12-24 10:24 AM
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tuwood - 2012-12-24 10:40 AM

I get a chuckle out of some of the news interviews around here.  Parents going on and on about "I'll never send my child to a school with armed guards" as they're sitting outside the high school dropping their kids off at a school that has had armed guards for years.  lol

All my kids' schools have armed guards at Middle and High School.  The elementary's have a roving police officer that is there on occasion, but not every day like the other schools.

No, my kids don't go to inner city schools they're in the fancy suburb schools.



Yeah, anyone who believes that needs to look at the federal grants for just such things:
http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/default.asp?Item=54
http://www.nasro.org/

Odds are at least one of the schools around them has one.



2012-12-24 10:42 AM
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jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-24 9:17 AM
1stTimeTri - 2012-12-24 9:01 AM
blueyedbikergirl - 2012-12-24 8:44 AM
1stTimeTri - 2012-12-24 8:41 AM
blueyedbikergirl - 2012-12-24 8:32 AM

DanielG - 2012-12-24 4:01 AM
BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-23 10:39 PM Just to clarify why I feel this way, it has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. It is entirely about safety. Even if I never own a gun, I want my kids to know gun safety in case they find one, see one at their friends house, or any other situation where I'm not there. If ~50% of households have guns in them, it's only logical.
I agree with you completely here. Nothing to do with rights or politics, it's kiddo safety. A lot of people want nothing to do with firearms to the point they never teach safety to their kids, "After all, there'll never be a gun in my house" Yeah, but your kid WILL be at least in the same room as one at some point(s) while growing up. As I said, I would vote for that in a heartbeat!

Nope, this didn't happen ONCE while I was growing up. 

. But, you were Canadian and had to worry about traps. *runs away*

You have no idea!!!  It's incredibly tough to tip toe around all the igloos making sure to avoid all the traps while at the same time looking for maple trees to spike for sap and being overly sensitive to the fact that a moose could show up at any moment looking for a hockey fight. 

. I thought the Mounties took care of that?????
Everyone knows they're too busy untying women from railroad tracks to worry about stuff like that.

They've gotten really good at untying knots. 

2012-12-24 11:15 AM
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BrianRunsPhilly - 2012-12-23 9:12 AM
TriMyBest - 2012-12-23 8:55 AMMy son's a high school senior. They've had a local police officer in the school for years. He says everyone knows him by name, and he's a nice guy. Nothing scary about him at all. I suppose one of the positive aspects of police in schools could be more kids who grow up viewing the police as friendly protectors rather than scary disciplinarians.
I was trying to make the same point. Having someone from the local police force assigned to the school on a permanent basis would go a long way towards having a positive attitude towards law enforcement, and I want them to be qualified police officers, not a separate force. I'd actually see this as an elite position, with these officers having additional training in mediation and dealing with adolescents. Maybe if they were trusted by the students, they would be alerted before anything actually occurred. So many times we hear after the fact that there were warning bells going off but nobody heard them. I would also like to see firearm safety part of the curriculum, no different than teaching them about HIV. Both can kill but education severely cuts down the risks.

 

What's interesting is my Father-in-law who was a competitive shooter, rocket scientist and now holster maker, learned to shoot at a weekend class at his local elementary school (in Chicago) back when he was a child.  Now a days you would never teach kids to shoot at a school.

2012-12-24 12:01 PM
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DanielG - 2012-12-24 8:24 AM
tuwood - 2012-12-24 10:40 AM

I get a chuckle out of some of the news interviews around here.  Parents going on and on about "I'll never send my child to a school with armed guards" as they're sitting outside the high school dropping their kids off at a school that has had armed guards for years.  lol

All my kids' schools have armed guards at Middle and High School.  The elementary's have a roving police officer that is there on occasion, but not every day like the other schools.

No, my kids don't go to inner city schools they're in the fancy suburb schools.

Yeah, anyone who believes that needs to look at the federal grants for just such things: http://www.cops.usdoj.gov/default.asp?Item=54http://www.nasro.org/ Odds are at least one of the schools around them has one.

You know since the NRA suggested it that it must be a bad idea!



2012-12-24 12:08 PM
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tuwood - 2012-12-24 9:40 AM

I get a chuckle out of some of the news interviews around here.  Parents going on and on about "I'll never send my child to a school with armed guards" as they're sitting outside the high school dropping their kids off at a school that has had armed guards for years.  lol

All my kids' schools have armed guards at Middle and High School.  The elementary's have a roving police officer that is there on occasion, but not every day like the other schools.

No, my kids don't go to inner city schools they're in the fancy suburb schools.



I don't know of any schools in Omaha that have armed security guards.

I know MOST have school resource officers, though.
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tuwood - 2012-12-24 10:40 AM

I get a chuckle out of some of the news interviews around here.  Parents going on and on about "I'll never send my child to a school with armed guards" as they're sitting outside the high school dropping their kids off at a school that has had armed guards for years.  lol

All my kids' schools have armed guards at Middle and High School.  The elementary's have a roving police officer that is there on occasion, but not every day like the other schools.

No, my kids don't go to inner city schools they're in the fancy suburb schools.

Suburbia CAUSES insanity, didn't you know that?

Aren't most of these mass shootings occurring at "nice suburban schools?" Since CoJ is an awesome place to generalize, I'd say there is a lot more pressure to conform living in the suburbs than in the cities.

2012-12-24 1:25 PM
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BrianRunsPhilly - Just to clarify why I feel this way, it has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. It is entirely about safety. Even if I never own a gun, I want my kids to know gun safety in case they find one, see one at their friends house, or any other situation where I'm not there. If ~50% of households have guns in them, it's only logical.

I agree.

Additionally, support mentored youth programs that help kids learn to hunt.
We have that here in Pennsylvania

Kids who grow up hunting learn firearm safety and a respect for what firearms can do.

It seems that kids who hunt don't do Columbine.

Hunting is safer for kids than cycling, baseball, tennis, and cheerleading.

When firearms aren't a forbidden fruit, kids will tend to not develop an unhealthy pull towards them.
Rather they'll see them as the tools that they are, dangerous though those tools might be. 

The added benefit to teaching kids to hunt is that they will develop an intimate connection to nature.
Hunters have been at the forefront for generations in concern for the environment.

Another benefit is that kids learn that ultimately their food doesn't come from a store.
A kid who helps harvest wild game or fish is more open to understanding the need for good nutrition.

Lastly, I think any kid who is taught to hunt wouldn't have a problem with armed guards at school. 
They'd connect the need for an appropriate tool to correct the particular problem. 

 

2012-12-24 4:26 PM
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dontracy - 2012-12-24 11:25 AM

BrianRunsPhilly - Just to clarify why I feel this way, it has nothing to do with 2nd amendment rights. It is entirely about safety. Even if I never own a gun, I want my kids to know gun safety in case they find one, see one at their friends house, or any other situation where I'm not there. If ~50% of households have guns in them, it's only logical.

I agree.

Additionally, support mentored youth programs that help kids learn to hunt.
We have that here in Pennsylvania

Kids who grow up hunting learn firearm safety and a respect for what firearms can do.

It seems that kids who hunt don't do Columbine.

Hunting is safer for kids than cycling, baseball, tennis, and cheerleading.

When firearms aren't a forbidden fruit, kids will tend to not develop an unhealthy pull towards them.
Rather they'll see them as the tools that they are, dangerous though those tools might be. 

The added benefit to teaching kids to hunt is that they will develop an intimate connection to nature.
Hunters have been at the forefront for generations in concern for the environment.

Another benefit is that kids learn that ultimately their food doesn't come from a store.
A kid who helps harvest wild game or fish is more open to understanding the need for good nutrition.

Lastly, I think any kid who is taught to hunt wouldn't have a problem with armed guards at school. 
They'd connect the need for an appropriate tool to correct the particular problem. 

Yup. The Mayans were right. ??The world has ended. I agree with DonTracy.

Regarding harvesting wild game, If you shoot it, clean it, dress it and package it up, it's much less likely that you'll waste it. That's a lot of work. I think a firearm safety class would be a good idea. Kids are much more likely to kill each other and other people with cars and we give them driving instruction. Or maybe we don't anymore. They did at my school. Back in the day.

Many of our schools have resource officers.

2012-12-24 9:58 PM
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mr2tony - 2012-12-24 12:08 PM
tuwood - 2012-12-24 9:40 AM

I get a chuckle out of some of the news interviews around here.  Parents going on and on about "I'll never send my child to a school with armed guards" as they're sitting outside the high school dropping their kids off at a school that has had armed guards for years.  lol

All my kids' schools have armed guards at Middle and High School.  The elementary's have a roving police officer that is there on occasion, but not every day like the other schools.

No, my kids don't go to inner city schools they're in the fancy suburb schools.

I don't know of any schools in Omaha that have armed security guards. I know MOST have school resource officers, though.

So an armed police officer standing security at the front door during the day doesn't qualify as an armed security guard?  hmm, my bad.  :-P

I can't speak for all the schools in Omaha but the Millard schools have armed private security guards at the front door all day in addition to the SRO.  It's like a pat down when I have to drop something off to my kids in the office and there's usually at least two of them out front (not the SRO) when I go there.  I have no clue what there staffing is or where the $ comes from.



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