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2014-03-29 2:29 AM
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Another 7 miles on the treadmill.

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2014-03-29 3:33 AM
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2 hr ride and 5k parkrun this morning.

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2014-03-29 7:42 AM
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A big DNF today. Had a long course race. 1500/60/12. Was feeling OK. Last swimmer from the wave before our start needed rescuing from the water. 25m from the end of the swim. Went straight down and the life guards did a wonderful job if finding him as the water was not clear. Played with my head bad, thinking about my wife and kids during the 1st lap. Pull out the swim at 750m. then completed the bike and run. Torrential rain and wind and hills made for a very unpleasant ride. Run was ok. Not sure how the guy is as the rushed him to hospital. Finish time of around 3:40 on a very tough day. Managed to not hit any of my 4 goals and that is the last race for the season

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2014-03-29 9:55 AM
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Adding yesterday's 45' bike and today's 5 miler race.

Quick race report:

Cool day, overcast and the rain managed to hold off - perfect race conditions. Goal for the race was to hold 7:15 pace and keeps things somewhat sane. Well, that plan went right out the window as the gun went off. Mile 1 was a gradual downhill and I positioned myself in the from of the pack. Went out fast at 6:24. Mile 2 was a big uphill - I settled behind a guy pacing his very fast wife and drafted a bit. It was hard, but got it done at 7:01. Mile 3 was a downhill and felt easy but quads hurt - pace was in the low 6:40. Clocked a 5K split at 19:53 (first time I went sub 20'). Mile 4 was a slug fest and during the last mile I settled behind two guys for about a half mile. I made a move with half a mile to go - mistake. Last .2M was dry heaving uncontrollably and my friends passed me. Final time - 33:40 - pace 6:44 - a PR by about 50". 8/87 in AG, 33/817 OA.

First short distance speed race in nearly two years. So incredibly happy to feel somewhat normal after last year's many health issues. Plus a PR and I'm two years older!

Matthew: So sorry to hear about your disappointment. There hasn't been a single tri I've done when the thought of bailing out of the swim hasn't crossed my mind. I'm not a natural swimmer and in my first tri 5 season ago, an athlete in my wave drowned while his family was waiting for him at the finish line. That memory never leaves you - question is what do you do with it? In your case, I can totally see why it affected you minutes before the start. For me, I get a physical every year, EKGs/stress tests every couple of years so I know I'm not sitting on an unknown risk and I'm being responsible for my family. Don't beat yourself up - it takes time to process.

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2014-03-29 1:59 PM
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1:40:00 on the drainer today. I did a Sufferfest homage to the TDF. The Wretched followed by There is no Try.
Matthews sorry to hear about your race. I can only imagine how someone being rescued just before you start the swim could mess with you head, followed by bad conditions.

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2014-03-29 2:00 PM
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How do I join this group? I'm back to being a beginner...I've done 3 tris like 5 years ago...doing one this year for hte first time and I need help.




Welcome, just post a bio.


2014-03-29 5:44 PM
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Proud moment this morning. Did the 5k parkrun and managed to come in under 42min! While that's kind of ridiculous to be proud of, it's an improvement of over 3 minutes from last week. I figured I have been letting myself slack a little for the last few weeks, so I decided to push myself a little harder and aim for my HR, rather than just plod along underneath it. So I guess my fitness is slightly better than I thought! Even with knee supports today my left knee was a bit iffy, although I've had no pain since the run. I think my days of running are numbered as I appear to be getting lax joints very early, and I really don't want to risk a long-term injury. I'll see how it goes over the next couple of weeks and may have to start power walking instead ;-)

Matt - that's a horrible way to end your season, and I'm really sorry it worked out like that, but it's perfectly understandable how that would mess with your head. I've still never done a tri with a sea swim, and I know for me it would be a big mental barrier to get over, despite being a relatively strong swimmer. Try not to beat yourself up over it, and think about all the positives you've had over the season.
2014-03-29 10:43 PM
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Matt--sorry about the DNF but it makes a lot of sense, especially when it's the swim portion. I might have done the same (and I have bailed before when hiking 14ers). You need to be in a mental space that's confident, and if not, then you need to be in a place that's safe. Things will be better next year.

Joe--nicely done! Though I don't envy you the dry heaving. That's something I struggle with a lot when pushing the pace. But yay for a PR!!

Rachel--sounds like a good park run. And yes the joints get pretty loose pretty early, so the "listen to your body advice" definitely applies. Swimming and biking will be easier on your joints and as the baby starts to affect balance and posture.

18 miles today, and I pretty much didn't want to run any of them. There was one around 11 miles in that felt ok, and I rallied around 16.5 for a strong finish. But mostly, the entire thing was a head game. I probably should have plugged in my headphones and listened to a podcast or two, because that's a loooong time to be alone with your thoughts. This poster sums it up some (you may need to copy and paste unless I manage to figure out the html before then):
http://www.runnersworld.com/fun/motivational-poster-71

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2014-03-30 3:06 AM
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Wow, looks like interesting weekend for some of us!

Matthew, sorry about your race. Looks like the conditions were hellish and you managed to go through to the end. We're doing if for fun and recreation and it's good to have the perspective. Family, health, safety always come first and nobody is paying us for finishing anyway.

Joe - awesome pace! Congratulations! Sub 20' on 5k that's really something.

Rachel - good improvement! At least you're going forward, whatever the speed. I had the slowest parkrun for me on Sat morning 26:23 (usually around 24:00). Just didn't feel like sweating any more in our super humid weather.

Lisa, nice long run!

Managed to do a 25k run/walk again this morning. Humid again, we just don't have normal weather here. Lost tons of water and for the rest of the day I was drinking and drinking and feeling thirsty.

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10 k race today, 56:19. 5 minutes slower than last year, I'm not happy with myself. I paid for a weak training schedule and gaining 10 lbs.

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2014-03-30 5:46 PM
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44' swim and recovery from yesterday's effort. Complete washout of a weekend on the right coast here - somehow my race yesterday worked out whereas a tone of races today must have been brutal to run.

Jim: Tough race and a tough loss for the Spartans. They just played awful and didn't deserve to win. Very uninspiring play.

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2014-03-30 6:29 PM
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Thanks every for the positive thoughts. Hind sight is a wonderful thing. Kicking myself for not pushing on in the swim. I now have a few months to get stronger and better at swimming. I'm hoping that if i can get better at swimming i then can overcome the bad thoughts etc.

Good to see everyone else had a good weekend. Well done to you all.
2014-03-30 7:16 PM
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Hi everyone.

I'm not sure if I am too late for the party, but I figure it would be worth a shot to post here. I've recently resolved to train for my first triathlon and am looking for resources and whatever guidance can be offered to me.

NAME: Katie

STORY: I'm 28 years old and work as an architect in NYC. Over the last 2 years have made a series of huge life changes including losing 80 pounds and becoming really passionate about fitness including running and muay thai kickboxing.

FAMILY STATUS: Married, no kids.

CURRENT TRAINING: To be determined. My current fitness routine is focused around muay kickboxing with short runs 3-5 days a week, 1.5 - 2 hours of cardio / strength training (including sparring, bodyweight training, etc.) I ran my first marathon in November and have a handful of half marathons and other shorter distance race events under my belt. I find myself cycling less often lately, but I have done a century ride in the past and do some workouts on my trainer on rainy days. I grew up swimming in my backyard pool, but haven't done anything competitively with it, and admittedly, it has been awhile since I've been in a pool!

THIS YEAR'S RACES: To be determined...

WEIGHTLOSS: Gained a little weight back after my first marathon in November, would like to lose that. Not concerned about weight loss outside of it effecting my speed and performance.

WHAT WILL MAKE ME A GOOD MENTEE: I am dedicated. I thrive on consistency and scheduling. I am motivated, and I want to push myself to be the best version of myself possible both mentally and physically.

2014 GOALS: Complete my first triathlon!
2014-03-30 9:59 PM
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Hi everyone.

I'm not sure if I am too late for the party, but I figure it would be worth a shot to post here. I've recently resolved to train for my first triathlon and am looking for resources and whatever guidance can be offered to me.

NAME: Katie

STORY: I'm 28 years old and work as an architect in NYC. Over the last 2 years have made a series of huge life changes including losing 80 pounds and becoming really passionate about fitness including running and muay thai kickboxing.

FAMILY STATUS: Married, no kids.

CURRENT TRAINING: To be determined. My current fitness routine is focused around muay kickboxing with short runs 3-5 days a week, 1.5 - 2 hours of cardio / strength training (including sparring, bodyweight training, etc.) I ran my first marathon in November and have a handful of half marathons and other shorter distance race events under my belt. I find myself cycling less often lately, but I have done a century ride in the past and do some workouts on my trainer on rainy days. I grew up swimming in my backyard pool, but haven't done anything competitively with it, and admittedly, it has been awhile since I've been in a pool!

THIS YEAR'S RACES: To be determined...

WEIGHTLOSS: Gained a little weight back after my first marathon in November, would like to lose that. Not concerned about weight loss outside of it effecting my speed and performance.

WHAT WILL MAKE ME A GOOD MENTEE: I am dedicated. I thrive on consistency and scheduling. I am motivated, and I want to push myself to be the best version of myself possible both mentally and physically.

2014 GOALS: Complete my first triathlon!


Hi Katie. Welcome. Do you have any questions?
2014-03-30 10:29 PM
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Rachel, thanks for your advice on my ITB challenges and big kuddo's to you for keeping up with your training during pregnancy, work, etc...

Matthew, sorry to hear about your DNF, but the best thing to do is not to loose any sleep over it.  Spend a little more time at the pool and then plan for the next one and you will do great!

Mark, I looked into the parkruns and they look like a lot of fun and addictive.  Unfortunately we have nothing like that in Guatemala yet. 

Joe, very happy to hear about your PR and that you are back in top running shape, persistence pays off!

Jim, hang in there amigo, you know you can get better with a little more training!

Lisa, good long run and cool profile pic with your 2 kids on the jogging stroller!

On Friday I made the tough decision to cancel my registration for the Challenge Atlantic City iron distance tri.  I cannot run yet without pain and on top of that I have a 2 week business trip to Europe planned right before the race, which was stressing me out.  As I looked into it, I realized I'm not a pro nor getting paid to do this, so risking further injury was not worth it.  However, I do love the sport and all of the great things that come along with it, so all I need to do is to recover from my ITB while pushing myself. If I can get better soon, I will do a 1/2 IM in June in the city of Tikal in northern Guatemala (in the jungle with Mayan temples) which I'm helping to organize.  If that goes well then I can then shoot for a full IM race at the end of July, possible Vineman which is still open (Non WTC, but beautiful course in Northern CA)

Adding a 3000m swim on Fri and 67 mile bike ride w/ 5k ft of climbing on Sat.  Today off for family day!

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2014-03-30 10:34 PM
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So many questions. I'm just doing research at this point and not sure where to even start.

What is a reasonable timeline to train for a triathlon? I'm interested in either a standard or half-ironman distance and am not shy about doing an aggressive program. I have a good running base, but I need to start swimming.

Does it make sense to start a swimming regimen to get more comfortable in the water before beginning training?

How did you all start? What do you recommend?


2014-03-31 1:05 AM
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Welcome on board Katie - Hope the group can answer a few questions.

Bad luck Gabe - You are right- look after your body. there will be another oppitunity to race a full distance.
2014-03-31 6:59 AM
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Originally posted by trigabe

Mark, I looked into the parkruns and they look like a lot of fun and addictive.  Unfortunately we have nothing like that in Guatemala yet. 



All it takes is someone to volunteer as race director and collect a few volunteers together. You could be that person! ;-)

On Friday I made the tough decision to cancel my registration for the Challenge Atlantic City iron distance tri.  I cannot run yet without pain and on top of that I have a 2 week business trip to Europe planned right before the race, which was stressing me out.  As I looked into it, I realized I'm not a pro nor getting paid to do this, so risking further injury was not worth it.  However, I do love the sport and all of the great things that come along with it, so all I need to do is to recover from my ITB while pushing myself. If I can get better soon, I will do a 1/2 IM in June in the city of Tikal in northern Guatemala (in the jungle with Mayan temples) which I'm helping to organize.  If that goes well then I can then shoot for a full IM race at the end of July, possible Vineman which is still open (Non WTC, but beautiful course in Northern CA)




Tough decision, and one that I know would have been hard for you to make, but you're right, it's not worth risking further injury, and there are always more races. You could look at the Challenge race in Amsterdam in September... I think it's the European championships (and the race I had my eye on). I have a friend doing it, and it looks like a lovely race. ;-)
2014-03-31 7:04 AM
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18 miles today, and I pretty much didn't want to run any of them. There was one around 11 miles in that felt ok, and I rallied around 16.5 for a strong finish. But mostly, the entire thing was a head game. I probably should have plugged in my headphones and listened to a podcast or two, because that's a loooong time to be alone with your thoughts. This poster sums it up some (you may need to copy and paste unless I manage to figure out the html before then):
http://www.runnersworld.com/fun/motivational-poster-71



That poster made me laugh. I know that feeling. I'm a pretty slow runner and being out for 3 hours on my own was always interesting. I always do (did) my long runs to music that is at a specific cadence, and even though it's not the sort of music I would usually choose to listen to, I find it sufficiently distracting to take away the worst of the demons.

I've done some 5+ hour bike rides on my own and I find they're worse. I won't listen to music on the bike, and somehow the fact that I can get so much further away from home makes it feel a lot more out there.
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Originally posted by Katie_C

So many questions. I'm just doing research at this point and not sure where to even start.

What is a reasonable timeline to train for a triathlon? I'm interested in either a standard or half-ironman distance and am not shy about doing an aggressive program. I have a good running base, but I need to start swimming.

Does it make sense to start a swimming regimen to get more comfortable in the water before beginning training?

How did you all start? What do you recommend?


Welcome to the group!

I started by going to the pool and checking I could actually swim the 500m required for the race I'd signed up for... But I probably wouldn't recommend going down that route. It sounds like you have a good level of fitness, and just need to get your swimming going. I'd start going to the pool and just see what you can do as a starting point.

The best option is probably to find a race that you want to do and work backwards from there. There are some good free training plans on this site and I used one for my first olympic distance race. They tend to be either 12 or 20 weeks, but there are also maintenance plans that will have you ticking over. If you figure out a race, work back the number of weeks for your training plan, and then see where you need to be at the start of the plan, that should give you a good idea for what you should be working on right now.

In terms of amount of time to get ready for a triathlon. I went from fairly low fitness to HIM in 6 months, so that's very do-able. For olympic you wouldn't need anything like that. The difference between training volumes for the two is fairly significant though. Long distance tris (HIM and IM) require a number of longer sessions, particularly on the bike, which take up a lot more time than any of the shorter options. I would always recommend starting with a shorter race to get some experience and then building up. I did a bunch of sprints first, then tried an olympic and a HIM. You'll find that the shorter distances aren't any "easier" because you're having to work a lot harder for the duration of the race than you do for the longer ones, where pacing becomes much more of a factor.
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So without wanting to ruin anyone's input for today, it looks like Joe is the clear winner for the March challenge!

Are we going to do an April challenge? I actually feel like joining in now that I'm managing to do some training. My volumes will be low, but if we're still doing daily points I may at least get some points :-)


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Originally posted by Katie_C So many questions. I'm just doing research at this point and not sure where to even start. What is a reasonable timeline to train for a triathlon? I'm interested in either a standard or half-ironman distance and am not shy about doing an aggressive program. I have a good running base, but I need to start swimming. Does it make sense to start a swimming regimen to get more comfortable in the water before beginning training? How did you all start? What do you recommend?

I went from low fitness level (could not run 3 miles) to a sprint in less than 3 months, so I think the idea of targeting a race and working backwards is a good one. I think for an Olympic distance 12 weeks should be plenty, but it also depends on your level of fitness for each discipline. Cannot speak for HIM, as I have not done one.

WRT to swimming, my advice will be to get some lessons. You can get better at running and biking by doing it more, but swimming is much more technical and a few lessons will result in huge improvements. I could not take lessons initially (due to schedule), but I bought one of the Total Immersion (TI) books and followed the program with great results, but that can take lots of time (a lot of drills and it could be weeks before you begin actual swimming). There are also a lot of instructors who follow the TI model, I took 2 lessons after doing this for a year and it resulted in an immediate 10 second per 100 meters  improvement by fixing a few of my (many) faulty mechanics.

 

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Originally posted by chapfallen So without wanting to ruin anyone's input for today, it looks like Joe is the clear winner for the March challenge! Are we going to do an April challenge? I actually feel like joining in now that I'm managing to do some training. My volumes will be low, but if we're still doing daily points I may at least get some points :-)

Yes on the April challenge. My first race is the 6th, but I need to put serious training for my next one - an Oly in June (i.e. Florida June weather of humidity, winds, and more humidity). The race takes place on the Miami Speedway and I think the transition area is in the pits, literally.

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With my first race of the season this weekend (1/2 mile swim, 20 mile bike, 4 mile run), I was wondering what do you do differently on race week, training-wise? I normally lower the volume, and rest the last two days before the race,

Also, on race day I always have a hard time eating breakfast that early; what do you eat on race day morning?

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Originally posted by trigabe

On Friday I made the tough decision to cancel my registration for the Challenge Atlantic City iron distance tri.  I cannot run yet without pain and on top of that I have a 2 week business trip to Europe planned right before the race, which was stressing me out.  As I looked into it, I realized I'm not a pro nor getting paid to do this, so risking further injury was not worth it.  However, I do love the sport and all of the great things that come along with it, so all I need to do is to recover from my ITB while pushing myself. If I can get better soon, I will do a 1/2 IM in June in the city of Tikal in northern Guatemala (in the jungle with Mayan temples) which I'm helping to organize.  If that goes well then I can then shoot for a full IM race at the end of July, possible Vineman which is still open (Non WTC, but beautiful course in Northern CA)

Gabriel,

I know is a tough call, but is the right call. I tried to train through my hip issues last season and that led to bad training, bad races and frustration that pretty much kill my season. So rest, get healthy, and then get back on the road.

BTW, if it's not WTC it's not a REAL Ironman...so it doesn't count

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