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2011-06-28 9:15 PM
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Parking - You can park at SBR 403 Venture Court Verona 608-695-8942, showers, bathrooms, etc. Open from 6a-12p on Saturdays. This is my Coaches place and is Right by Firemans Park in Verona.

The city of Verona is asking that people do not park at Firemans park anymore, because when the park is rented out, those who are riding the course take over the parking lot. They are asking that people park on the road instead of the parking lot. Also, there was an issue with Verona not wanting the IM course to go through the city this year, but the course remained the same.

 I think there is information at Firemans Park directing people on how to get to SBR.  

I have not heard anything about anyone getting tickets or having problems parking at Firemans park this year still.

I live in Madison, so let me know if anyone has any questions about Anything !

 I am doing WI again for the 3rd time. I hope everyone's training is going well ! enjoy the day .

 



2011-06-28 9:45 PM
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IceManScott - 2011-06-27 11:19 AM

And...does anyone know of group rides that leave from Monona?  Everything seems to start at Fireman's and I need to get the in and out down too.  A little concerned about city traffic and missing a turn on my own.

IME, if you ride the loop and drive the stick you'll be fine on race day.  All the technical stuff and most of the real hills are on the loop.  The stick is relatively tame.

My only argument to this would be the hill on Whalen road on the return trip of the stick. I think that is just as tough a climb as anything else out there and catches a lot of people by surprise. As far as technical stuff goes? No, nothing hard about the stick
2011-06-29 7:38 AM
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Question for the gearing guru's. I rode the course the past two days and noticed my legs were a little more tired than normal with the constant battering of hills. I was still able to do everything without coming out of the saddle but I would prefer to spin the hills a little easier than I was with my current 11-25 cassette. I was thinking of a 27 but noticed Shimano Ultegra does not have a 27 set up. They jump right to a 11-28. This seems like an awfully big gap in gears to me. Anyone have any experience with this?
2011-06-29 7:53 AM
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mndiver - 2011-06-29 7:38 AM Question for the gearing guru's. I rode the course the past two days and noticed my legs were a little more tired than normal with the constant battering of hills. I was still able to do everything without coming out of the saddle but I would prefer to spin the hills a little easier than I was with my current 11-25 cassette. I was thinking of a 27 but noticed Shimano Ultegra does not have a 27 set up. They jump right to a 11-28. This seems like an awfully big gap in gears to me. Anyone have any experience with this?


Other options:

KCNC Shimano Compatible 12-27
Recon Aluminum Shimano Compatible 11-27
Miche Shimano Compatible 11-27




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I have done both Coeur D' Alene and IMWI. I think they are kind of comparable. The Wisconsin Swim is definelty more enjoyable, I did CDA a few days ago and the water temp was 55,  the water Temp in WI will not be an issue and you have a deep water start not a land start which eases the anxiety level a lot. The IM CDA start is just about the craziest thing I have been a part of.

The Bike courses I think are different but very comparable. The hills are longer but not as steep in CDA. Also in CDA you had about 10 miles per loop that was pretty flat overall. In WI, you don't get breaks you are constantly shifting. I think if you ride patiently in both places you can still have a very solid bike split, but patience as alwaysin the key.

The run in Madison is much more fun. Much more crowd support and you do not really run the same place as you bike (which annoyed me in CDA). As far as time are concerned I think they would be very comparable. Scenery and energy is much better in WI.

Overall times- If given the same conditions, I think they are very comparable. I went 10 hours 7 mins in CDA and went 10:31 last year in Madison. Goal time this year for me in WI is under 10...

 

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2011-06-29 8:37 AM
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tuwood - 2011-06-28 3:49 PM

On the topic of topic changes... Do you guys know if the full bike course is open on Saturday the day before the race (Sep 10)?

As I mentioned earlier I'm volunteering this year and racing next year so I'd love to ride the bike loop on Saturday prior to the race.  I live in Omaha and it's a 7 hour drive for me so I doubt I'll have many chances next summer to come up and ride.



Yes, it shoudld be. I did this last year when I volunteered.


2011-06-29 10:17 AM
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Okay - you guys are freaking me out a little.  My longest run is scheduled for this week - 2 hrs.  I am following the Be IronFit plan - middle plan.  Also, I am a strong swimmer -- ideally I would be out between 60-65 mins for the swim. BUT - I have had issues in open water.  I very much dislike contact.  It took me awhile doing triathlons to realize that in most of them, I need to start at the front.  I am often the 1st or one of the 1st out of the water in my age group.  BUT this is for wave starts.  The thought of 2500 people all starting at once - I'm not sure where to go.  I know I have to go outside or I will freak out.  But it seems that I may have contact there also.  Maybe I can go 50 yards to the right and swim alone???    Biking seems to be going okay.  I have a road bike and have drooled at tri bikes at the LBS.  After riding the course and HHH, I think I am okay with my roadie.  Planning on riding the loop as much as possible between now and September!  I am also doing MOWS with a full course ride to follow on Aug 20th. 

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2011-06-29 10:37 AM
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mndiver - 2011-06-28 10:45 PM

My only argument to this would be the hill on Whalen road on the return trip of the stick. I think that is just as tough a climb as anything else out there and catches a lot of people by surprise. As far as technical stuff goes? No, nothing hard about the stick

But it won't be a surprise if you've driven the stick, right?  At least it didn't surprise me.

2011-06-29 10:40 AM
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mndiver - 2011-06-28 9:45 PM
wiky - 2011-06-27 10:52 AM
IceManScott - 2011-06-27 11:19 AM

And...does anyone know of group rides that leave from Monona?  Everything seems to start at Fireman's and I need to get the in and out down too.  A little concerned about city traffic and missing a turn on my own.

IME, if you ride the loop and drive the stick you'll be fine on race day.  All the technical stuff and most of the real hills are on the loop.  The stick is relatively tame.

My only argument to this would be the hill on Whalen road on the return trip of the stick. I think that is just as tough a climb as anything else out there and catches a lot of people by surprise. As far as technical stuff goes? No, nothing hard about the stick

 

I agree with that final hill on Whalen, especially the surprise element, but you can use it is a good measuring stick. I found last year on my long rides if I struggled up it I felt bad getting off the bike and overpaced or had bad nutrition. However, there were a couple times when I was feeling great getting up the hill and felt great getting off the bike. IMO that hill can give you a great idea of the potential you will have in your legs for the run.

2011-06-29 10:42 AM
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kmwilliams - 2011-06-29 8:37 AM
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On the topic of topic changes... Do you guys know if the full bike course is open on Saturday the day before the race (Sep 10)?

As I mentioned earlier I'm volunteering this year and racing next year so I'd love to ride the bike loop on Saturday prior to the race.  I live in Omaha and it's a 7 hour drive for me so I doubt I'll have many chances next summer to come up and ride.

Yes, it shoudld be. I did this last year when I volunteered.

It will be and you will have the benefit of clean swept roads, and watching hundreds of people out chalking the roads and putting up signs. It will be great motivation for 2012. I will be in Madison all weekend, but I may be doing a HIM just outside of Madison on Saturday. I'll let you know if I pass and maybe I can guide you along the course.

2011-06-29 10:44 AM
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gwenbert - 2011-06-29 11:17 AM

Okay - you guys are freaking me out a little.  My longest run is scheduled for this week - 2 hrs.  I am following the Be IronFit plan - middle plan.  Also, I am a strong swimmer -- ideally I would be out between 60-65 mins for the swim. BUT - I have had issues in open water.  I very much dislike contact.

I'm not a strong swimmer.  I started wide right, about 4 rows back last year, and came out in 69 min.  There was lots of contact, but I don't remember anything particularly rough.  Just lots of bumping into feet and shoulders, etc.  I chose that spot thinking/hoping that most of the strong swimmers with the powerful strokes/kicks were up front.  That was at least consistent with my experience that day.

Also, you can't go further to the right as people line up all the way to the shore several deep.



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2011-06-29 12:08 PM
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Fred Doucette - 2011-06-29 11:00 AM
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mndiver - 2011-06-28 10:45 PM

My only argument to this would be the hill on Whalen road on the return trip of the stick. I think that is just as tough a climb as anything else out there and catches a lot of people by surprise. As far as technical stuff goes? No, nothing hard about the stick

But it won't be a surprise if you've driven the stick, right?  At least it didn't surprise me.

yeah I'm just going to drive the stick. I want to ride the technical part of the course in August as I want to know when to descend fast and when not to. I figure I will ride one loop easy and one at IM watts.
Perfect plan Fred. There are so many areas where you can push hard for long periods of time. Watch for the one steep downhill that has the word "slow" spray painted on the road. You can hit the 40's going down the hill but you then have a sharp left at the bottom. Good place to end up crumpled up in a ball of carbon and pain if you don't pay attention. Oh yea, have fun on Witt road. I love that stretch.
2011-06-29 12:32 PM
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buhl0006 - 2011-06-28 11:24 AM Just curious if anybody is using the IM Silver Beginner Plan. . . I've been following it pretty closely, but am starting to wonder if its heavy on tempo/strength workouts and little less on duration. Swim workouts seem to be about right, but runs and ride times might be a little light on time? As of this week, my longest ride will be 4:45 and run will 2:20. Any thoughts?

I'm not following that plan.... but it sounds pretty "on" to me... My longest ride has been about 5:20 and my longest run has been about 2:20 so far.

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Ok, thanks.
You're probably right about trusting the training plan. I think the doubts start to creep in as we get closer to race day. Good luck with the training!

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2011-06-29 12:45 PM
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As far as swim contact... if anyone here is on the slower side I recommend hanging out twords the back. Let most of the madness happen out in front of you. I've had rougher swims at the Chicago Tri then I did at IMOO.

I pretty much started not too far out from the buoy line maybe 2/3 back. The start line is very wide and not that deep. Make sure you get in early though. I'm talking like 20 minutes. Otherwise you will get caught up in the bottle neck and will have a rough start... or worse not even in the water when the swim starts.
2011-06-29 1:20 PM
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Are you guys talking about the hill that was spray painted 'Last hill now run' ? I think the only thing that makes it special, it sits about mile 105 and you're so sick of hills (actually sick of the bike, period!)

@training questions....don't fall into the trap of comparing, its bad mental mojo. There is always someone doing much more or much faster. Stick to your plan/coach and see it. I haven't even run 2 hrs yet....



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IdealMuse - 2011-06-29 1:45 PMMake sure you get in early though. I'm talking like 20 minutes. Otherwise you will get caught up in the bottle neck and will have a rough start... or worse not even in the water when the swim starts.

That's a good piece of advice.  I didn't go down early enough and barely got in the water before the start due to the bottleneck that happens near the water entrance.

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Yes, I rode the Verona loop twice on July 5 and twice again on July 6, and I drove the stick in both directions.  Very helpful ime.
2011-06-29 9:48 PM
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Riding the loop backwards is much harder then it is forwards. The climbs are steeper and longer, and generally the wind is not as benefical. Just keep that in mind as you guys start hitting the loop, it is a great way to train on the loop.
2011-06-30 8:27 AM
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chasingkona - 2011-06-29 9:48 PM Riding the loop backwards is much harder then it is forwards. The climbs are steeper and longer, and generally the wind is not as benefical. Just keep that in mind as you guys start hitting the loop, it is a great way to train on the loop.

 

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wiky - 2011-06-29 3:12 PM

IdealMuse - 2011-06-29 1:45 PMMake sure you get in early though. I'm talking like 20 minutes. Otherwise you will get caught up in the bottle neck and will have a rough start... or worse not even in the water when the swim starts.

That's a good piece of advice.  I didn't go down early enough and barely got in the water before the start due to the bottleneck that happens near the water entrance.

One of the best pieces of advice I got from my coach in 2007 was to get to transition early, check everything you need to check and head down to the water. Sit on a rock and watch people enter the water. Listen to the sounds, feel the water and relax. There is waaaay too much nervous energy around the transition area.

You've done the work to get here. Enjoy the day!!!

2011-07-02 8:31 AM
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Just landed at camp crush myself. Staying 1.5 miles away from Mt Horeb on Rt 92 at a house/cabin rental for a week. Arrived yesterday evening, holy dells traffic!, our house sits a 1/4 from the road up a twisty driveway.....so we run up and down the driveway for 30 mins last night. Very hilly. May try and run into mt horeb after our ride today.
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Fred Doucette - 2011-06-30 1:23 PM

There is a good thread on ST about the IMWI bike course right now. Worth reading.

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/cgi-bin/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3411556;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=-1;

JeffP sounds like a very confident biker, but I'm curious about his other disciplines.

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