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 2013-07-24 2:30 PM in reply to: blueyedbikergirl |
Master  6595     Rio Rancho, NM |  Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)Because the Manatees appreciate a good after race beer I thought I'd share the FB post from the race I'm doing next weekend: Miller64 is brewed for the YOU that's put in the work because its worth it. The you that takes the stairs. The you that wakes up early to train for the Tri. The better you may be different in everyone, but Miller64 is the beer that won't undo all of the effort the better you puts it. we look forward to toasting you and your efforts after the TRI with a Miller64 at the post-race party! Really?! This race has served Summer Shandy the last two years! I think they're cheaping out on us. M64 is what I sweat during a race after I have a hefe!
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| 2013-07-24 2:36 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by rrrunner Oh Miller 64, you can try as hard as you want to justify your silly existence, but you are fooling no one. NO ONE! Because the Manatees appreciate a good after race beer I thought I'd share the FB post from the race I'm doing next weekend: Miller64 is brewed for the YOU that's put in the work because its worth it. The you that takes the stairs. The you that wakes up early to train for the Tri. The better you may be different in everyone, but Miller64 is the beer that won't undo all of the effort the better you puts it. we look forward to toasting you and your efforts after the TRI with a Miller64 at the post-race party! Really?! This race has served Summer Shandy the last two years! I think they're cheaping out on us. M64 is what I sweat during a race after I have a hefe!
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| 2013-07-24 2:55 PM in reply to: switch |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by switch Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by switch Wow. What a thoughtful, thorough answer. Thank you very much, and I will check out the reading you recommended. Funny, I exchanged posts and jokes with BarryP for half a year, and I never looked at his running stuff. I guess it's time. 3-2-1  I consider myself a runner--many marathons (3:20 PR), including a couple of Bostons. I should be able to get the run to be fairly strong. I don't have a PM, and I can't imagine one in the next year or so, but between now and AGN my plan is to do some good work on TR 3x/week (starting with retesting 2x 20) and try to get a longer ride outside with a group 1/week. If I can just be a stronger cyclist, maybe my legs will be so cashed on the run? My average HR on the bike during the race was a good 12-15bpm higher than it is during my training rides; I'm now guessing it shouldn't be I'm also now thinking I mismanaged my nutrition a bit and was close to a bonk on the run. 7 1/2 gels (5 on the bike and 2.5 on the run) and 1 20 oz bottle of Cytomax on the bike for cals, so maybe I need to up this a bit more. I also need to learn how to eat breakfast Sorry for all this silly tri talk Manatees
Think I forgot to mention that it's not necessary to have a powermeter for those books to be of use, as one of Skiba's deals with power as well. They also have HR in there and possibly some guidance on RPE too. And what your average HR ends up being depends on what you want out of the ride. Average doesn't necessarily have to be up at HIM levels, but you should be quite familiar with working at that level or higher. Often several times a week you'll have parts of the workout be above it. There are the training benefits of working at the higher levels and the sharpness factor for the races. For me, keeping that sharpness has been more important on the bike than for running. Running has just needed to be rested, but I can get stuck (so to speak) at a lower power output if I'm not used to working higher. Usually it doesn't take much to get that though. That's funny how you knew BarryP, but not the running! I'd heard he doesn't run anymore. Some try to question him because of that, but I think he did rather well for a guy who really wasn't supposed to be able to run at all. Yeah. Barry's a good guy. He's funny, smart and has become quite a good drummer. He's one of the good characters over on ST, but hangs mostly in the LR. The whole Z2 running is new to me. I never used to run that way. I'm trying to really embrace the idea of that, as I was really battling PF and had an overreaching period in February. I have been doing Z2 running since then, and I'm still not back to where I was running pre-overreaching (January). It's very hard to keep keeping-on with the Z2, as I don't think it's working for me, but it is working in the sense that I'm not injured and am able to toe the line, a big part of the battle as I get older I can tell you that I am a firm believer in the Barry P 1-2-3 AND Zone 2 running. The run on my Half course a couple weeks ago is proof positive that it works. Now, to be fair, I am not a slave to Zone 2. But I run at a comfortable pace (ie I am able to run the whole thing breathing through my nose, not panting out my mouth). I don't really look at my watch/HRM anymore. Of course, hills etc may put my HR up a zone, but I would say 80% of the time I am in Z2. It really does work. |
My run mileage has been between 35-45 mpw with a long run of 12+ and as high as 16 for all but one of my weeks pre-HIM, almost all Z2 with a tempo 1x/week. I will definitely look at Barry's stuff though, and see what I need to adjust. Did you know he doesn't even run anymore? Lol.| 2013-07-24 3:05 PM in reply to: bcraht |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. |
| 2013-07-24 3:27 PM in reply to: bcraht |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by bcraht I agree, nutrition is very personal. I don't think EN says all liquid, in fact they do talk about powerbars and gels and recommend you get the sodium in the nutrition unless you are a heavy sweater or you are using water rather than a sports drink. At least that was my take away. I also agree i cant replicate race conditions while training , but i think EN has its clients do a race rehearsal or 2, so they may get a better handle on race day nutrition that way. Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. I know that in my first HIM I totally screwed up my nutrition. I didn't take nearly enough before the race or during the bike and then on the run I over did the water and gator ade and ended up with a sloshing stomach and no energy. I also over cooked myself on the bike in some really windy conditions and then went out too fast on the run. it was a real painful learning experience. My second HIM, I was much better, but still did not get enough calories in on the bike and probably used water where I should have used Gatorade. On the run I took in no solids at all b/c that just didn't appeal to me. I alternated between Gatorade and water or just ice. I did pretty well, but think with more calories on the bike I would have been better. I did not have to pee on the bike at all, but did run off the course on the run to use a nice, indoor, air conditioned bathroom. It was lovely. Of course, I missed winning my AG ( there were only about 6 of us) by about 2 minutes, so maybe I should have joined the yellow socks club anyway, the post was to show ENs race day strategy. I've cant vouch for it because I've yet to use it, but I will be using some of the ideas in November! < p> are you still in Amsterdam? |
| 2013-07-24 3:28 PM in reply to: bcraht |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by bcraht Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. Agreed. For my HIM I did 1/2 a waffle every half hour with a gu a couple times in there. On the bike and run I drank the Powerbar Perform that was on the course. I'd practiced with it before the race and still use it. |
| 2013-07-24 3:30 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by rrrunner What?! That is totally unexceptable. It is not a beer at all, more like funny colored water.Because the Manatees appreciate a good after race beer I thought I'd share the FB post from the race I'm doing next weekend: Miller64 is brewed for the YOU that's put in the work because its worth it. The you that takes the stairs. The you that wakes up early to train for the Tri. The better you may be different in everyone, but Miller64 is the beer that won't undo all of the effort the better you puts it. we look forward to toasting you and your efforts after the TRI with a Miller64 at the post-race party! Really?! This race has served Summer Shandy the last two years! I think they're cheaping out on us. M64 is what I sweat during a race after I have a hefe!
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| 2013-07-24 3:32 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by bcraht I agree, nutrition is very personal. I don't think EN says all liquid, in fact they do talk about powerbars and gels and recommend you get the sodium in the nutrition unless you are a heavy sweater or you are using water rather than a sports drink. At least that was my take away. I also agree i cant replicate race conditions while training , but i think EN has its clients do a race rehearsal or 2, so they may get a better handle on race day nutrition that way.Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. I know that in my first HIM I totally screwed up my nutrition. I didn't take nearly enough before the race or during the bike and then on the run I over did the water and gator ade and ended up with a sloshing stomach and no energy. I also over cooked myself on the bike in some really windy conditions and then went out too fast on the run. it was a real painful learning experience. My second HIM, I was much better, but still did not get enough calories in on the bike and probably used water where I should have used Gatorade. On the run I took in no solids at all b/c that just didn't appeal to me. I alternated between Gatorade and water or just ice. I did pretty well, but think with more calories on the bike I would have been better. I did not have to pee on the bike at all, but did run off the course on the run to use a nice, indoor, air conditioned bathroom. It was lovely. Of course, I missed winning my AG ( there were only about 6 of us) by about 2 minutes, so maybe I should have joined the yellow socks club anyway, the post was to show ENs race day strategy. I've cant vouch for it because I've yet to use it, but I will be using some of the ideas in November! < p> are you still in Amsterdam? Nope, Belgium now :-) Sorry, wasn't meaning to discount what EN says at all. I think the main points are really good. And I was happy to know that my one pee on the bike is the 'correct' amount (not that I peed ON the bike, but you know what I mean!). I used a 'strategy' for my first race--and like I said, learned a lot!! I think we have to listen to our bodies too, and trust they know what they need. |
| 2013-07-24 3:51 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner What?! That is totally unexceptable. It is not a beer at all, more like funny colored water. Because the Manatees appreciate a good after race beer I thought I'd share the FB post from the race I'm doing next weekend: Miller64 is brewed for the YOU that's put in the work because its worth it. The you that takes the stairs. The you that wakes up early to train for the Tri. The better you may be different in everyone, but Miller64 is the beer that won't undo all of the effort the better you puts it. we look forward to toasting you and your efforts after the TRI with a Miller64 at the post-race party! Really?! This race has served Summer Shandy the last two years! I think they're cheaping out on us. M64 is what I sweat during a race after I have a hefe!
Especially after we got used to the Summer Shandy! Someone on FB commented to that fact too! |
| 2013-07-24 4:24 PM in reply to: bcraht |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by bcraht No worries, I have no stake in the EN way of doing things nor have I utilized its strategy, so disagree away!Hope you are enjoying Belgium.Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by bcraht I agree, nutrition is very personal. I don't think EN says all liquid, in fact they do talk about powerbars and gels and recommend you get the sodium in the nutrition unless you are a heavy sweater or you are using water rather than a sports drink. At least that was my take away. I also agree i cant replicate race conditions while training , but i think EN has its clients do a race rehearsal or 2, so they may get a better handle on race day nutrition that way.Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. I know that in my first HIM I totally screwed up my nutrition. I didn't take nearly enough before the race or during the bike and then on the run I over did the water and gator ade and ended up with a sloshing stomach and no energy. I also over cooked myself on the bike in some really windy conditions and then went out too fast on the run. it was a real painful learning experience. My second HIM, I was much better, but still did not get enough calories in on the bike and probably used water where I should have used Gatorade. On the run I took in no solids at all b/c that just didn't appeal to me. I alternated between Gatorade and water or just ice. I did pretty well, but think with more calories on the bike I would have been better. I did not have to pee on the bike at all, but did run off the course on the run to use a nice, indoor, air conditioned bathroom. It was lovely. Of course, I missed winning my AG ( there were only about 6 of us) by about 2 minutes, so maybe I should have joined the yellow socks club anyway, the post was to show ENs race day strategy. I've cant vouch for it because I've yet to use it, but I will be using some of the ideas in November! < p> are you still in Amsterdam? Nope, Belgium now :-) Sorry, wasn't meaning to discount what EN says at all. I think the main points are really good. And I was happy to know that my one pee on the bike is the 'correct' amount (not that I peed ON the bike, but you know what I mean!). I used a 'strategy' for my first race--and like I said, learned a lot!! I think we have to listen to our bodies too, and trust they know what they need. |
| 2013-07-24 4:27 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by rrrunner Guess M64 paid better than the other. I think I would pass on it and go out for some real beer.Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner What?! That is totally unexceptable. It is not a beer at all, more like funny colored water. Because the Manatees appreciate a good after race beer I thought I'd share the FB post from the race I'm doing next weekend: Miller64 is brewed for the YOU that's put in the work because its worth it. The you that takes the stairs. The you that wakes up early to train for the Tri. The better you may be different in everyone, but Miller64 is the beer that won't undo all of the effort the better you puts it. we look forward to toasting you and your efforts after the TRI with a Miller64 at the post-race party! Really?! This race has served Summer Shandy the last two years! I think they're cheaping out on us. M64 is what I sweat during a race after I have a hefe!
Especially after we got used to the Summer Shandy! Someone on FB commented to that fact too! |
| 2013-07-24 4:57 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner Guess M64 paid better than the other. I think I would pass on it and go out for some real beer. Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by rrrunner What?! That is totally unexceptable. It is not a beer at all, more like funny colored water. Because the Manatees appreciate a good after race beer I thought I'd share the FB post from the race I'm doing next weekend: Miller64 is brewed for the YOU that's put in the work because its worth it. The you that takes the stairs. The you that wakes up early to train for the Tri. The better you may be different in everyone, but Miller64 is the beer that won't undo all of the effort the better you puts it. we look forward to toasting you and your efforts after the TRI with a Miller64 at the post-race party! Really?! This race has served Summer Shandy the last two years! I think they're cheaping out on us. M64 is what I sweat during a race after I have a hefe!
Especially after we got used to the Summer Shandy! Someone on FB commented to that fact too! My thoughts exactly! |
| 2013-07-24 5:13 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Hahahaha! From race nutrition advice to post-race beer flops. ALL good info on what to ingest...or not  |
| 2013-07-24 5:23 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) So we've got the sitter for early Sunday morning again. I was teasing her and asked if we should just set up a college fund. Race fees, gear, gas, etc...but who knew to factor in so much moolah for a babysitter?!?!? LOL |
| 2013-07-24 7:00 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by bcraht I agree, nutrition is very personal. I don't think EN says all liquid, in fact they do talk about powerbars and gels and recommend you get the sodium in the nutrition unless you are a heavy sweater or you are using water rather than a sports drink. At least that was my take away. I also agree i cant replicate race conditions while training , but i think EN has its clients do a race rehearsal or 2, so they may get a better handle on race day nutrition that way.Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. I know that in my first HIM I totally screwed up my nutrition. I didn't take nearly enough before the race or during the bike and then on the run I over did the water and gator ade and ended up with a sloshing stomach and no energy. I also over cooked myself on the bike in some really windy conditions and then went out too fast on the run. it was a real painful learning experience. My second HIM, I was much better, but still did not get enough calories in on the bike and probably used water where I should have used Gatorade. On the run I took in no solids at all b/c that just didn't appeal to me. I alternated between Gatorade and water or just ice. I did pretty well, but think with more calories on the bike I would have been better. I did not have to pee on the bike at all, but did run off the course on the run to use a nice, indoor, air conditioned bathroom. It was lovely. Of course, I missed winning my AG ( there were only about 6 of us) by about 2 minutes, so maybe I should have joined the yellow socks club anyway, the post was to show ENs race day strategy. I've cant vouch for it because I've yet to use it, but I will be using some of the ideas in November! < p> are you still in Amsterdam? The latest research is all saying drink to thirst. I would add saltsticks to that, and if you are hungry go some real food, nuts and olives are my food of choice. |
| 2013-07-24 7:41 PM in reply to: jobaxas |
Master 6834 Englewood, Florida | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Two things I saw today on Twitter that made me think of Manatee chatter lately: |
| 2013-07-24 9:00 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
Master 2770 Central Kansas | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by cdban66 Two things I saw today on Twitter that made me think of Manatee chatter lately: Dang. I want abs like that girl. I'm not a Betty. |
| 2013-07-24 9:28 PM in reply to: KansasMom |
Champion 10550 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by KansasMom Originally posted by cdban66 Two things I saw today on Twitter that made me think of Manatee chatter lately: Dang. I want abs like that girl. I'm not a Betty. I'm not a Betty either, but I still wanna buy the tri kit and maybe one of the swim suits... or two! |
| 2013-07-24 9:34 PM in reply to: jobaxas |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes)
Ori I would really, really like to do real food during a long race. I absolutely HATE gels. I have to choke every single one down. Chews, beans, blech! They're all just too damn sweet. Sweet is the last thing I want when I'm training or racing. I want SALT. I don't think I could chew and swallow nuts--sometimes I have a little difficulty with that sitting around during cocktail hour. I could just see myself aspirating a walnut on the course, haha. Oy. Olives sound really good, actually. Or really salty guac. Or sausage. I'm actually laughing right now, but I'm only part kidding. I faching hate gels. I can't drink gatorade because it just shuts me down. ginally posted by jobaxas Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by bcraht I agree, nutrition is very personal. I don't think EN says all liquid, in fact they do talk about powerbars and gels and recommend you get the sodium in the nutrition unless you are a heavy sweater or you are using water rather than a sports drink. At least that was my take away. I also agree i cant replicate race conditions while training , but i think EN has its clients do a race rehearsal or 2, so they may get a better handle on race day nutrition that way.Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. I know that in my first HIM I totally screwed up my nutrition. I didn't take nearly enough before the race or during the bike and then on the run I over did the water and gator ade and ended up with a sloshing stomach and no energy. I also over cooked myself on the bike in some really windy conditions and then went out too fast on the run. it was a real painful learning experience. My second HIM, I was much better, but still did not get enough calories in on the bike and probably used water where I should have used Gatorade. On the run I took in no solids at all b/c that just didn't appeal to me. I alternated between Gatorade and water or just ice. I did pretty well, but think with more calories on the bike I would have been better. I did not have to pee on the bike at all, but did run off the course on the run to use a nice, indoor, air conditioned bathroom. It was lovely. Of course, I missed winning my AG ( there were only about 6 of us) by about 2 minutes, so maybe I should have joined the yellow socks club :). Nah, the break was worth it! anyway, the post was to show ENs race day strategy. I've cant vouch for it because I've yet to use it, but I will be using some of the ideas in November! < p> are you still in Amsterdam? The latest research is all saying drink to thirst. I would add saltsticks to that, and if you are hungry go some real food, nuts and olives are my food of choice. So, Jo, you have done this real food thing during a race, huh? How long of a race? How did you carry it? |
| 2013-07-24 9:40 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by cdban66 Two things I saw today on Twitter that made me think of Manatee chatter lately: Fun links! I know a woman who would be an AWESOME Betty, and guess what? Her name is Betty! (That could be her in the photo. Seriously. It's ridiculous). The other article was very interesting. I didn't know you needed to be doing 18-19hours/week before bumping up to IM! Woah. Dang. How do all these people freakin carve out that much time? Maybe they don't BT as much as I do...;) Fun day with the Manatees today. I've learned a lot guys, thanks:) |
| 2013-07-24 9:44 PM in reply to: switch |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by switch
Ori I would really, really like to do real food during a long race. I absolutely HATE gels. I have to choke every single one down. Chews, beans, blech! They're all just too damn sweet. Sweet is the last thing I want when I'm training or racing. I want SALT. I don't think I could chew and swallow nuts--sometimes I have a little difficulty with that sitting around during cocktail hour. I could just see myself aspirating a walnut on the course, haha. Oy. Olives sound really good, actually. Or really salty guac. Or sausage. I'm actually laughing right now, but I'm only part kidding. I faching hate gels. I can't drink gatorade because it just shuts me down. ginally posted by jobaxas Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by bcraht I agree, nutrition is very personal. I don't think EN says all liquid, in fact they do talk about powerbars and gels and recommend you get the sodium in the nutrition unless you are a heavy sweater or you are using water rather than a sports drink. At least that was my take away. I also agree i cant replicate race conditions while training , but i think EN has its clients do a race rehearsal or 2, so they may get a better handle on race day nutrition that way.Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. I know that in my first HIM I totally screwed up my nutrition. I didn't take nearly enough before the race or during the bike and then on the run I over did the water and gator ade and ended up with a sloshing stomach and no energy. I also over cooked myself on the bike in some really windy conditions and then went out too fast on the run. it was a real painful learning experience. My second HIM, I was much better, but still did not get enough calories in on the bike and probably used water where I should have used Gatorade. On the run I took in no solids at all b/c that just didn't appeal to me. I alternated between Gatorade and water or just ice. I did pretty well, but think with more calories on the bike I would have been better. I did not have to pee on the bike at all, but did run off the course on the run to use a nice, indoor, air conditioned bathroom. It was lovely. Of course, I missed winning my AG ( there were only about 6 of us) by about 2 minutes, so maybe I should have joined the yellow socks club anyway, the post was to show ENs race day strategy. I've cant vouch for it because I've yet to use it, but I will be using some of the ideas in November! < p> are you still in Amsterdam? The latest research is all saying drink to thirst. I would add saltsticks to that, and if you are hungry go some real food, nuts and olives are my food of choice. So, Jo, you have done this real food thing during a race, huh? How long of a race? How did you carry it? I've not done it yet no. But now that I worship at the temple of No Sugar No Grains it's a no brainer. I will also be taking UCAN - unsweetened it tastes kind of chalky - mix with plenty of water, a little unsweetened whey protein and a little coconut oil that is apparently all that's needed. The problem with gu and gels and gatorade type things are they are sugary carbs. You burn these instantly so you get that instant hit followed by a crash so then you need more etc etc - which is not that bad as you're burning what you put in - however if they cause you any kind of GI distress you're in trouble as you won't be able to get your energy source refilled if you can't keep anything down. That's why I'm looking at being fat adapted for fuel burning. It's the paleo way I suppose too - so for my long rides at the moment they are indoors so I've been having some cheese cubed and some cashews - cashew nuts are a bit softer and less dry than most so easier to eat. Also olives. If I have the need for any sweetness at all then a banana as Iknow it will burn off pretty quick. I'm in this 100% so I'll let you know how it all goes! For hydration I'm drinking to thirst - I listened to a podcast IMTalk I think with Paul Laursen a guy out of New Zealand doing studies on cramp etc in athletes. Cramp is not caused by lack of electrolytes - it's caused because your muscles are fatigued - and if you're undertrained they will be more so. IM is a big day, your muscles will be fatigued makes sense! So the UCAN mix, water and salt sticks, some real food - olives, berries, cheese and cashews - I will let you know! |
| 2013-07-24 10:02 PM in reply to: jobaxas |
Elite 4435 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) that Betty girl - like looking in a mirror. LOL. |
| 2013-07-24 10:14 PM in reply to: switch |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by switch
Ori I would really, really like to do real food during a long race. I absolutely HATE gels. I have to choke every single one down. Chews, beans, blech! They're all just too damn sweet. Sweet is the last thing I want when I'm training or racing. I want SALT. I don't think I could chew and swallow nuts--sometimes I have a little difficulty with that sitting around during cocktail hour. I could just see myself aspirating a walnut on the course, haha. Oy. Olives sound really good, actually. Or really salty guac. Or sausage. I'm actually laughing right now, but I'm only part kidding. I faching hate gels. I can't drink gatorade because it just shuts me down. ginally posted by jobaxas Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by bcraht I agree, nutrition is very personal. I don't think EN says all liquid, in fact they do talk about powerbars and gels and recommend you get the sodium in the nutrition unless you are a heavy sweater or you are using water rather than a sports drink. At least that was my take away. I also agree i cant replicate race conditions while training , but i think EN has its clients do a race rehearsal or 2, so they may get a better handle on race day nutrition that way.Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. I know that in my first HIM I totally screwed up my nutrition. I didn't take nearly enough before the race or during the bike and then on the run I over did the water and gator ade and ended up with a sloshing stomach and no energy. I also over cooked myself on the bike in some really windy conditions and then went out too fast on the run. it was a real painful learning experience. My second HIM, I was much better, but still did not get enough calories in on the bike and probably used water where I should have used Gatorade. On the run I took in no solids at all b/c that just didn't appeal to me. I alternated between Gatorade and water or just ice. I did pretty well, but think with more calories on the bike I would have been better. I did not have to pee on the bike at all, but did run off the course on the run to use a nice, indoor, air conditioned bathroom. It was lovely. Of course, I missed winning my AG ( there were only about 6 of us) by about 2 minutes, so maybe I should have joined the yellow socks club anyway, the post was to show ENs race day strategy. I've cant vouch for it because I've yet to use it, but I will be using some of the ideas in November! < p> are you still in Amsterdam? The latest research is all saying drink to thirst. I would add saltsticks to that, and if you are hungry go some real food, nuts and olives are my food of choice. So, Jo, you have done this real food thing during a race, huh? How long of a race? How did you carry it? Haven't done a long race with them yet, but liking Picky Bars. |
| 2013-07-24 10:26 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Veteran 940 Citrus Heights, CA | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) I had a nice little strength workout this morning, and then got called in for some OT at work---BONUS! its also Yoga-On-The-Giraffe-Deck day! I really needed a good yoga session, and even though it was close to 100 degrees out there, IT WAS AWESOME. Of course, it was difficult to concentrate on the breathing/poses when at one point the Ostrich (Marzipan is her name) in the exhibit on the other side of the deck, was watching us with a total look of disgust...I nearly cracked up quite loudly when I noticed her. All in all a good day--the best part? Yoga moves back to Thursday evenings next week! Yay! Regular yoga in my life--and its FREE! |
| 2013-07-25 1:00 AM in reply to: switch |
Master 4452 | Subject: RE: Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) Originally posted by switch
Ori I would really, really like to do real food during a long race. I absolutely HATE gels. I have to choke every single one down. Chews, beans, blech! They're all just too damn sweet. Sweet is the last thing I want when I'm training or racing. I want SALT. I don't think I could chew and swallow nuts--sometimes I have a little difficulty with that sitting around during cocktail hour. I could just see myself aspirating a walnut on the course, haha. Oy. Olives sound really good, actually. Or really salty guac. Or sausage. I'm actually laughing right now, but I'm only part kidding. I faching hate gels. I can't drink gatorade because it just shuts me down. ginally posted by jobaxas Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by bcraht I agree, nutrition is very personal. I don't think EN says all liquid, in fact they do talk about powerbars and gels and recommend you get the sodium in the nutrition unless you are a heavy sweater or you are using water rather than a sports drink. At least that was my take away. I also agree i cant replicate race conditions while training , but i think EN has its clients do a race rehearsal or 2, so they may get a better handle on race day nutrition that way.Happy belated birthday Ann Marie! I failed miserable on the nutrition on my first HIM. But I learned what I needed and used that for my second. I went all liquid for my first--that doesn't work for me. I HAVE to have something solid. But, I did get all the solids finished by my 3rd loop on a 4 loop course and then switched to liquid. I also used only water for the first 2 loops, then switched to a mix of HEED and Perpetuem. No 'salt' other than what is in the solids and liquids I took in. On the run I took in water and gatorade, but slowed it way down after about 5km, cause I knew I would get waterlogged otherwise. My rather longwinded point is that, as everyone will attest to, it is VERY personal to what will work for you. You test stuff out in training, but honestly, I don't think you can really figure it out for sure what will work on race day, until you race the first time. It is extremely hard to mimic race conditions in training. I know that in my first HIM I totally screwed up my nutrition. I didn't take nearly enough before the race or during the bike and then on the run I over did the water and gator ade and ended up with a sloshing stomach and no energy. I also over cooked myself on the bike in some really windy conditions and then went out too fast on the run. it was a real painful learning experience. My second HIM, I was much better, but still did not get enough calories in on the bike and probably used water where I should have used Gatorade. On the run I took in no solids at all b/c that just didn't appeal to me. I alternated between Gatorade and water or just ice. I did pretty well, but think with more calories on the bike I would have been better. I did not have to pee on the bike at all, but did run off the course on the run to use a nice, indoor, air conditioned bathroom. It was lovely. Of course, I missed winning my AG ( there were only about 6 of us) by about 2 minutes, so maybe I should have joined the yellow socks club anyway, the post was to show ENs race day strategy. I've cant vouch for it because I've yet to use it, but I will be using some of the ideas in November! < p> are you still in Amsterdam? The latest research is all saying drink to thirst. I would add saltsticks to that, and if you are hungry go some real food, nuts and olives are my food of choice. So, Jo, you have done this real food thing during a race, huh? How long of a race? How did you carry it? Same. I was so hungry by the end of my first race I was nauseated. I used fruit fig bars. Compact, 110 calories per. I can't tolerate Power Gels, which is what is often supplied. |
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