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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Well, I had a fun race on Sunday. The event itself was fantastic - by far the best put on sprint I have been to! My results were okay, I would say that I got what I deserved |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() ashort33 - 2010-08-09 1:06 PM Well, I had a fun race on Sunday. The event itself was fantastic - by far the best put on sprint I have been to! My results were okay, I would say that I got what I deserved Great to hear Andy, can't wait to read the RR. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() badgerintx - 2010-08-09 11:08 AM dalessit - 2010-08-09 10:09 AM Avg Watts = 185, weight = 71.8 KG = 2.6 W/Kg Not too impressive, but with the long downhills where I knew I had lots of ups to do I didn't push it and watts would have been pretty close to 0, so that might be a reason why. Wattage is what wattage is....it does not lie and nothing to ever be cylinical (its a training / racing tool) about or I may have to sick Suzy on you! But how does that compare to your average "Hour" ride on Wattage when you are race simulating? What I am chasing is an answer to the question of if your bike split is killing your run at the mile / min pace you want to be during the race. I have found that be a big issue with me at the Oly distance, You figure you are only gonna be on the bike for an hour so lets really hammer and pass some people, etc. Not an issue during sprints because of the distances involved. Not an issue at HIM because you conserve more on the bike knowing you have a 1/2 to run. Thoughts?? ![]() experience. course, conditions, nutrition, training leading up to the race. experience. i'll look later, starting new job today so time is limited, but jordan rapp wrote something up and posted on st some time ago about ftp %'s at different distances. applicable to power users but iteresting none the less to those of us that don't. and abou that in red up there, lemme know how that non-issue works out for you after your first HIM. ;-) in my opinion, now that i think about it i may go back sometime and actually look at the numbers on here and st, speaking soley on ratio's of racers asking per distance, i 'd be willing to bet a beer that run pace off the bike is probably asked/talked about more at the half distance than sprint and oly combined. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jvanis - 2010-08-09 11:14 AM badgerintx - 2010-08-09 11:08 AM dalessit - 2010-08-09 10:09 AM Avg Watts = 185, weight = 71.8 KG = 2.6 W/Kg Not too impressive, but with the long downhills where I knew I had lots of ups to do I didn't push it and watts would have been pretty close to 0, so that might be a reason why. Wattage is what wattage is....it does not lie and nothing to ever be cylinical (its a training / racing tool) about or I may have to sick Suzy on you! But how does that compare to your average "Hour" ride on Wattage when you are race simulating? What I am chasing is an answer to the question of if your bike split is killing your run at the mile / min pace you want to be during the race. I have found that be a big issue with me at the Oly distance, You figure you are only gonna be on the bike for an hour so lets really hammer and pass some people, etc. Not an issue during sprints because of the distances involved. Not an issue at HIM because you conserve more on the bike knowing you have a 1/2 to run. Thoughts?? ![]() Typically they say hammer the bike as you will make more time up there than what it does to your run if you are slower. I am sure there is a limit, but I would guess its higher than I can make myself push. Who knows though? other than a sprint, i'm not really sure i agree with "they". some quick numbers at an oly distance 18 and 21 mph. difference is 11:xx minutes. you blow early in the run i think it'd be pretty easy to find 11 minutes. and i think 3 mph is very genreous to a normal 18 mph rider dropping the hammer. but could be wrong... i'm fairly certain dropping the hammer on the long course is a recipe for a very long walk. do you mind me asking, who is "they"? just curious. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I like the Endurance Nation view on this issue. Do not look at it as 3 separate events. It is one long event with three parts. Your object is to move the wall (bonking or whatever you want to call it) as close to the end as possible. Ideal is at the finish line. Looked at this way it is truly individual to each racer. Anyone can ride too hard to a point where they destroy their run. Using Watts in training is a great way to learn your individual sustainable output. Working with a power meter during bricks can help you determine just how much you can realistically push the bike and still maintain a quality run. It also can help you adjust for different weather conditions, most notably heat. Having said that, some people could potentially ride a 90+% on the bike and not affect their run time significantly. Others would create a disasterous situation where the "run" becomes a "walk." Figure out what works for you in your present state of fitness and then use that as a guide when racing. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() fattyfatfat - 2010-08-09 1:24 PM jvanis - 2010-08-09 11:14 AM badgerintx - 2010-08-09 11:08 AM dalessit - 2010-08-09 10:09 AM Avg Watts = 185, weight = 71.8 KG = 2.6 W/Kg Not too impressive, but with the long downhills where I knew I had lots of ups to do I didn't push it and watts would have been pretty close to 0, so that might be a reason why. Wattage is what wattage is....it does not lie and nothing to ever be cylinical (its a training / racing tool) about or I may have to sick Suzy on you! But how does that compare to your average "Hour" ride on Wattage when you are race simulating? What I am chasing is an answer to the question of if your bike split is killing your run at the mile / min pace you want to be during the race. I have found that be a big issue with me at the Oly distance, You figure you are only gonna be on the bike for an hour so lets really hammer and pass some people, etc. Not an issue during sprints because of the distances involved. Not an issue at HIM because you conserve more on the bike knowing you have a 1/2 to run. Thoughts?? ![]() Typically they say hammer the bike as you will make more time up there than what it does to your run if you are slower. I am sure there is a limit, but I would guess its higher than I can make myself push. Who knows though? other than a sprint, i'm not really sure i agree with "they". some quick numbers at an oly distance 18 and 21 mph. difference is 11:xx minutes. you blow early in the run i think it'd be pretty easy to find 11 minutes. and i think 3 mph is very genreous to a normal 18 mph rider dropping the hammer. but could be wrong... i'm fairly certain dropping the hammer on the long course is a recipe for a very long walk. do you mind me asking, who is "they"? just curious. I just read an article/study not too long ago but do not remember if they specifically called out a distance, I would guess it makes the most sense on a sprint. I completely agree HIM or greater requires significant pacing effort and it would be less advantageous, and could see that also being true for Olympic. From the distance/pace that I have seen in the past an Oly is typically 90-95% of FTP if I remember correctly. I will see if I can find what I read or not. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Okay Augusta people, I am in the middle of reservation hell for my race calendar for the rest of the year so why not throw a little more fuel to the fire. Do all the Augusta racers and race supporters want to get together for dinner on Saturday? I thought with potentially 3000 racers + families coming into town we might want to make reservations early. Let me know who is interested and PM me your personal email address so we can take this offline. I'll be happy to make the reservation for the group. Anyone have any good recommendations? I'm assuming we want pasta correct? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() fattyfatfat - 2010-08-09 2:05 PM badgerintx - 2010-08-09 11:08 AM dalessit - 2010-08-09 10:09 AM Avg Watts = 185, weight = 71.8 KG = 2.6 W/Kg Not too impressive, but with the long downhills where I knew I had lots of ups to do I didn't push it and watts would have been pretty close to 0, so that might be a reason why. Wattage is what wattage is....it does not lie and nothing to ever be cylinical (its a training / racing tool) about or I may have to sick Suzy on you! But how does that compare to your average "Hour" ride on Wattage when you are race simulating? What I am chasing is an answer to the question of if your bike split is killing your run at the mile / min pace you want to be during the race. I have found that be a big issue with me at the Oly distance, You figure you are only gonna be on the bike for an hour so lets really hammer and pass some people, etc. Not an issue during sprints because of the distances involved. Not an issue at HIM because you conserve more on the bike knowing you have a 1/2 to run. Thoughts?? ![]() experience. course, conditions, nutrition, training leading up to the race. experience. i'll look later, starting new job today so time is limited, but jordan rapp wrote something up and posted on st some time ago about ftp %'s at different distances. applicable to power users but iteresting none the less to those of us that don't. and abou that in red up there, lemme know how that non-issue works out for you after your first HIM. ;-) in my opinion, now that i think about it i may go back sometime and actually look at the numbers on here and st, speaking soley on ratio's of racers asking per distance, i 'd be willing to bet a beer that run pace off the bike is probably asked/talked about more at the half distance than sprint and oly combined. I think it's all about perspective. I agree for me that pacing wasn't as big of an issue on the bike in the HIM vs. an Oly since I have done 5 oly's and only 1 HIM. In a sprint, I don't care about wattage on the bike, I go pretty close to as hard as I can, same with the run. In a HIM, I have very careful pacing for 56 miles, attempting to stay right in my wattage zone, knowing I have 13.1 miles to run. It was actually easier, ride this wattage, no more, no less. An Oly is somewhere in between, for me a swim is a swim... unless it's a 300M pool swim I have the exact same pace. 24 miles on the bike (for me) isn't very long and neither is a 10k, I am getting to the point where I feel I can push those zones a bit higher to do that race, but still trying to figure out how high I can go and still have enough pop left in my legs to run a fast 10k. Haven't done an IM and probably never will, so I don't know if I had done 5 IM's if I would look at HIM's the same way I currently look at Oly's. Not sure if this is making sense, running in and out to the grill, right now so typing between pauses but does that make sense? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DougRob - 2010-08-08 9:48 PM FYI: Steve's Wife Kim has gone into Labor!! I can't seem to find the website with the updated splits on this race? Any updates anybody? To cool! ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DougRob - 2010-08-09 2:46 PM I like the Endurance Nation view on this issue. Do not look at it as 3 separate events. It is one long event with three parts. Your object is to move the wall (bonking or whatever you want to call it) as close to the end as possible. Ideal is at the finish line. Looked at this way it is truly individual to each racer. Anyone can ride too hard to a point where they destroy their run. Using Watts in training is a great way to learn your individual sustainable output. Working with a power meter during bricks can help you determine just how much you can realistically push the bike and still maintain a quality run. It also can help you adjust for different weather conditions, most notably heat. Having said that, some people could potentially ride a 90+% on the bike and not affect their run time significantly. Others would create a disasterous situation where the "run" becomes a "walk." Figure out what works for you in your present state of fitness and then use that as a guide when racing. I agree with Doug on EN's viewpoint. Seems their favorite mantra is "there is no such thing as great bike split but a terrible run. Only a bike that was not managed well!" In Tony's case though, I think the terrain plays a big role in the average. Someone like me has to manage those Watts up the hills so I don't blow up completely, but then my Watts are in the tank on the way down even if I'm pushing hard. Be curious to see if Ryan has the same experience? where is he anyway????? oh yeah, probably making sure Birdy doesn't faint! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() badgerintx - 2010-08-09 7:15 PM DougRob - 2010-08-08 9:48 PM FYI: Steve's Wife Kim has gone into Labor!! I can't seem to find the website with the updated splits on this race? Any updates anybody? To cool! ![]() Looks like they had a girl. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1433277872 CONGRATULATIONS! Edited by dalessit 2010-08-09 8:14 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() fattyfatfat - 2010-08-09 9:36 PM CONGRATS MAN!!! AWESOME FREAKIN' NEWS!!!! poopy diapers!!!! hope kim is well! Yeah those first few are extra, nasty... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() CONGRATS!!! Hope Mom, Dad and baby are all doing well!!! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() just felt the earth..... move.....under my feet....... Don't you all wish you lived in California?!? |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() velcromom - 2010-08-09 7:20 PMjust felt the earth..... move.....under my feet....... Don't you all wish you lived in California?!? You are seriously in a singing mood tonight!!!I didn't feel it! Darn! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() kt65 - 2010-08-09 7:32 PM velcromom - 2010-08-09 7:20 PMjust felt the earth..... move.....under my feet....... Don't you all wish you lived in California?!? You are seriously in a singing mood tonight!!!I didn't feel it! Darn!yup. good thing nobody's home! It wasn't a big quake, and it was centered 5-10 miles south of me, so I'm not surprised you didn't feel it. No damage. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Congrats Steve and Kim! |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() That weekend went to fast. On day 2 of the CTS training plan I found for the bike. Finally got back to the pool yesterday. It was closed down for a week for this festival that happens once a year. Didnt make it that far, felt a little rusty and the water was ice cold. Anyone have a tactful way to tell people that you are there for business and not to chat? |
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