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2008-03-25 3:04 PM
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I've got a question for any of you.  Maybe you can help me.  I know I am a relatively quick runner.  I really want to get faster.  One of my problems might be related to my stride.  Everyone who sees me run thinks I'm speed walking.  They say I have a short, quick stride and my feet almost drag.  They have never given me suggestions on what to do about it.......if it is, ideed, bad.  Any and all thoughts and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  Cheers!


2008-03-25 9:38 PM
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thats funny Tracy . people tell me the same thing . the one guy i always race against came up to me after the last 5k and i told him i was whipped . the first thing he said was my stride was off. he said i was taking a longer / higher stride . meaning my front and back side mechanics . i knew they were cause i never relax at that distance . im sure you have read about cadance just like on the bike . i find myself around 90-95 per min.running. but in distance running from what i have read is that not raising the knee high (like sprinting ) or heel on back side really saves on energy . its really unsessary from what i understand ,its like they also say to relax shoulders,hands , face , arms the way i see it is why would you want extra movements in the legs . anyway to conserve some go juice im up for
so i guess im a speed walker too!! let them call us that if they beat us, but if they dont i guess they got beat by someone walking . like that guy at the 5k he beat me but pointed out what he seen and he was right . but the last 5 races here and at the tri in miami he got smoked by me !! so he can keep his 5k ill be glad to save the energy on the endurance events .


MD i will second the post from Tracy rest weeks are a true trainer saver . i find it had to tone things down also . like i am this week cause april i have planned to be a big month about 5 months ago . i use my buddy brian to slow my runs down cause he is about 21/2 -31/2 mpm slower then where i run . but i have not seen him so i cut training time in half . but not all 3 in the same week . like one week i might run normal distance but cut the bike and swim back and swap them around the next week . drop the run back and up the other 2 and then get back to normal after that . well i guess thats about two weeks but your not cutting them total .
2008-03-25 9:42 PM
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oh Tracy i forgot my suggestion is you run your way/race if it works for you and it seems like it has then do it your way !! your not new to this i think it would toss your training off trying to learn somethign new . heck you got a full list for the rest of the year . if you do want to change i would look toward the off season . but thats my thought .
2008-03-26 8:44 AM
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I was once told that if I wanted to increase my leg kick that I should do plyometric exercises. But like Shaun said, it might be a needless waste of energy for endurance runs.
2008-03-26 8:47 AM
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I managed to dial back the intensity of my indoor bike ride this morning and it felt good (as did my low intensity run last night with WeeBeast). I'm planning to cut back on the distance for my swim tomorrow and for my run on Friday.

If I manage to incorporate recovery weeks into my training schedule, where in the training cycle do you want races to fall? 

2008-03-26 10:20 AM
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MDHillSlug - 2008-03-26 6:44 AM I was once told that if I wanted to increase my leg kick that I should do plyometric exercises. But like Shaun said, it might be a needless waste of energy for endurance runs.

Yeah, I think I'll stick with what I'm doing right now.  Maybe I'll try some stuff after the June race.

I'll be doing more plyometric stuff very soon.  I'm gonna be teaching a kettlebell class.  Hope that doesn't whip my butt!



2008-03-26 10:42 AM
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MDHillSlug - 2008-03-26 6:47 AM

I managed to dial back the intensity of my indoor bike ride this morning and it felt good (as did my low intensity run last night with WeeBeast). I'm planning to cut back on the distance for my swim tomorrow and for my run on Friday.

If I manage to incorporate recovery weeks into my training schedule, where in the training cycle do you want races to fall? 

Ideally, you should have an extended Base period where you simply get used to exercising and slowly add on milage or time.

The Base period is followed by a Build period.  The Build period should be equal in time or slightly shorter than the Base period.  During the Build period, you begin incorporating speed drills, hill workouts, bricks, etc.  In other words, your workouts become more structured.

The Build period is followed by your Taper.  The Taper for a short race will be about 1 week long.  The Taper for a long race can be up to 2 weeks long.  During the Taper, you will cut back on distance and intensity.  You arn't going to gain anything (and may do harm) by doing hard workouts before a race.

The schedule I just described is appropriate for an "A" race.  An "A" race is the one in which you want to perform your best.  You really can't have any more than two "A" races per year.

All other races are considered "B" or "C" races.  A "B" race is one that you really want to do but you don't expect a super stellar performance.  It is used for sharpening your racing skills in preparation for your "A" race.  A "C" race is one that you would like to do for fun.

The Taper for a "B" race is going to be during a recovery week.  A "C" race really doesn't have a Taper.  Just use that race as one of your hard workouts for the week.

Example (it is pretty simplified but I think you will get the picture):

Week 1-Base

Week 2-Base

Week 3-Base

Week 4-Recovery

Week 5-Base

Week 6-Base (end of week "C" race)

Week 7-Base

Week 8-Recovery

Week 9-Build

Week 10-Build

Week 11-Recovery (end of week "B" race)

Week 12-Build

Week 13-Build

Week 14-Taper (end of week "A" race)

2008-03-26 10:47 AM
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And if that wasn't enough info, some people like to do a 10 day long "week" rather than your typical 7 day long week.  (I've never tried this.  I don't think it would work for me.)
2008-03-26 9:52 PM
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K aside from the above topic... can Owl or someone address shinsplints....
After my long run last sat I took a day off and then did a short run on Tuesday. My shins hurt some. I cut my runs short on Tuesday and Wed, not wanting to overdue it. Any thoughts on what to do from here on. I know i should probably ice them, ice bag next to me as i type. I know no one is a doctor or anything, but I am sure someone of you has gone through the shin issue and am open to whatever experience ya have on recovery. Stop running, cut back, see a doc, etc. ? Outside of running there is no pain between runs. When I start running I am fine for about the first mile then they start to hurt and it prettly much stays painful until I stop. Anyway off to ice the shins.
2008-03-27 9:31 AM
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I just took my teen son to a podiatrist for shin splints. Shin splints can have at least two causes, the main ones being muscle inflammation and stress fractures. Chances are it's the former, but the latter needs to be ruled out. The mainline treatment is rest(as much as possible), ice (20 minutes right after activity, even if you don't think you need it, as well as a second time during the day if possible), and anti-inflammatories (about 600mg, twice a day for an average adult). Gait analysis, insoles/orthotics may also be in order.
2008-03-27 10:28 AM
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MDHillSlug - 2008-03-27 7:31 AM I just took my teen son to a podiatrist for shin splints. Shin splints can have at least two causes, the main ones being muscle inflammation and stress fractures. Chances are it's the former, but the latter needs to be ruled out. The mainline treatment is rest(as much as possible), ice (20 minutes right after activity, even if you don't think you need it, as well as a second time during the day if possible), and anti-inflammatories (about 600mg, twice a day for an average adult). Gait analysis, insoles/orthotics may also be in order.

I'm going through shin splints right now, too.  I second Nicole's advice.  I'm doing it and it's working.  I have also kept myself on the treadmill, too.  It is soft and cushy and if they hurt, I don't have to walk for miles to get back to my house.  Check your shoes, Steve.  How many miles do you have on them?  Running shoes last about 300-500 miles.  Just my two cents.



2008-03-27 10:29 AM
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My Grandma passed away last night.
2008-03-27 10:35 AM
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owl_girl - 2008-03-27 11:29 AM My Grandma passed away last night.

I'm so sorry. How are you doing? 

2008-03-27 12:24 PM
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MDHillSlug - 2008-03-27 8:35 AM

owl_girl - 2008-03-27 11:29 AM My Grandma passed away last night.

I'm so sorry. How are you doing? 

I'm really upset.  (Thanks for asking.)  I was really close to her.  She always took me to the beach to play for hours and let me have cream soda when I wasn't supposed to.  This is my Dad's Mom.  She was pretty upset about my Dad.  I'm sure that had something to do with her steep decline.

Went on a treadmill run.  Will go for a bike ride later.  The run helped a lot.

2008-03-27 7:23 PM
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So sorry for your loss Tracy. My thoughts are with you and your family.
2008-03-27 7:35 PM
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Tracy im so sorry for your loss . best wishes for all of ya


2008-03-29 1:13 AM
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Hi Guys!

I hope everyone is doing alright.  I went on a little bike ride today.  Visited the expo at the CA 70.3 today as well.  Not terribly exciting.  I was disappointed.  Pacific Crest and Carlsbad 5000 had much better expos.  I did get a new cycling jersey though.

I'll be heading back up north tomorrow so I'll catch up with all of you after the weekend.  Happy cycling and running!

2008-03-29 6:25 PM
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I got out and did a brick today:

18.7mi ride in 1:11:30 (15.59mph)

"T2": 1:29

3.24mi run in 31:38 (9:46 pace)

I was battling some hard winds on the ride and didn't feel at all comfortable on the aerobars with the wind. During the run I felt like my legs were on autopilot, like they knew what to do better than my head did. I noticed during the run that a few of my toes felt numbish; I doubt that's a good thing.

My legs are so tired and sore now! Need to do some serious stretching! 

2008-03-30 11:58 AM
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good brick there !!
yesterday was like that for me too. i ran faster then i wanted i when i looked at the pace things felt good so i stayed with it .
i find my toes do the same when i wear socks . i dont think i make my shoes tighter . so i dont wear any . or out on the run with the brick either kinda like race day . but if i go out to just run i wear them but i have two other pair of shoes a swap between .
try to wiggle the toes out on the bike every so often . i found that it did help keep some blood flowing . and i really check them and start to move them about two mile from the end of the bike .
2008-03-30 4:41 PM
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Nice bricks you two!

I've had a couple break throughs this week. I think my pedals and I have made friends. I figured out that sometimes I just wasn't twisting my foot quick enough. It seems as long as I give it a nice hard quick twist they release really nicely Also, my fitness swim coach helped tweek my stroke Friday night. It seems I was lifting my head a little on my breath, not a lot but just enough to be throwing my whole stroke off every time I took a breath. Went and practiced what she taught me today and it was so much faster I almost ran into the wall cause I didn't think I should have been there yet LOL.

2008-03-31 12:45 AM
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Did a lactate threshold test on the bike today.  It was hard.

I'm home now.  Yeah!  Cheers everyone!



2008-04-01 7:06 AM
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Good morning everyone!  I'm hearing crickets around here.  How does everyone's April look?  I know Nicole is going to be doing a tri.  (You're going to do great, too!)  What about the rest of you?  Have a great day!

2008-04-01 8:56 AM
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owl_girl - 2008-04-01 8:06 AM

Good morning everyone! I'm hearing crickets around here. How does everyone's April look? I know Nicole is going to be doing a tri. (You're going to do great, too!) What about the rest of you? Have a great day!

I know I can do each event well, but I've never swum in my wetsuit and I don't know where I can (the pool is usually way too warm for it!). April is definitely early season around here and the water is likely to be cold (currently it's at 52 degrees F). Hopefully the air temperature will be decent. 

2008-04-01 10:29 AM
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MDHillSlug - 2008-04-01 6:56 AM
owl_girl - 2008-04-01 8:06 AM

Good morning everyone! I'm hearing crickets around here. How does everyone's April look? I know Nicole is going to be doing a tri. (You're going to do great, too!) What about the rest of you? Have a great day!

I know I can do each event well, but I've never swum in my wetsuit and I don't know where I can (the pool is usually way too warm for it!). April is definitely early season around here and the water is likely to be cold (currently it's at 52 degrees F). Hopefully the air temperature will be decent. 

Just do an easy practice swim in the pool with your wetsuit on.  It will help you get a feel for how your arms are going move in that thing.  (Did you get a full suit or a sleeveless one?)  You'll also figure out where you will likely chafe.

2008-04-01 10:38 AM
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Hi everyone! Wow, it's APRIL! I have a sort of busy month (yet not as busy as June and July). My first tri of the season is on Saturday. Beaver Freezer at OSU. Tracey, I think you've done it? It's a 500y pool swim (not sure how excited I am about a pool swim), 12mi bike, and 5k. Yesterday it snowed and this morning I had to scrape ice off my windshield. So I'm trying to figure out how to stay warm during the race without wasting a ton of time in transition...

Next Saturday is an annual extreme whitewater race at a local river. Since I haven't been in my boat for ages, I'm not competing. But the last section of the river has several waterfalls that are also the end of the race. This feeds into a reservoir where you have to paddle 1.5 miles out to the road access. Since I'm not paddling DOWN river, I'm thinking I might SWIM up the reservoir to the river. That way I would get a workout in and still be able to watch the race (my sweetie-pie is competing). It would be 3miles round trip, first OWS of the year, and COLD.

The Sunday after that is an 8k run. And then 2 weeks after that is the first century ride of the year.

Whew!
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