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2009-02-09 11:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Increase your Cycling Power over the winter = Faster times on 2009

Bleh...I'm having an issue with my left calf/hamstring   

I went to the sports/med doctor on Saturday and it doesn't look like a major issue but we'll see.

It set me back a week biking and I'll have to slowly work my running back since that's when I really am feeling discomfort.

Very depressing...



2009-02-09 5:25 PM
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Jorge, I wanted to get back at the cycling sessions.  I was unable to keep up at the workouts once week 8 hit, doing that much intensity was causing issues with a chronic knee issue of mine that I've had for years and I bailed, but now I see the workouts are doable to a point.

Once my knee felt better I started using various workouts from earlier weeks without issue.

Any simple recommendations on where to restart and get some benefit without having to use the big ring or push at the upper limits of what my knee will allow?

Thanks!

2009-02-09 6:50 PM
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A Question for Jorge

On Saturdays after our swim session we ride for 30 minutes and then run for 30.  On a Precor 846ci ( if I recall ) I am riding between 165 and 210 watts for that 30 minutes.  This week I was bored and rode 150 for 5 minutes, then did 1m around the 200-210 range 1m back to 135-150 range.  It made it go by better and drowned out the noise around me.  According to my FTP test my 100% is about 205watts

Should I just keep mixing it up or should I be try to bust balls for the 30 minutes?

2009-02-09 6:54 PM
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rottieguy - 2009-02-09 5:25 PM

Jorge, I wanted to get back at the cycling sessions.  I was unable to keep up at the workouts once week 8 hit, doing that much intensity was causing issues with a chronic knee issue of mine that I've had for years and I bailed, but now I see the workouts are doable to a point.

Once my knee felt better I started using various workouts from earlier weeks without issue.

Any simple recommendations on where to restart and get some benefit without having to use the big ring or push at the upper limits of what my knee will allow?

Thanks!

 

I hear you on that, I had to stop for awhile and trying to get back into it.  My knee was so bad after running a few Saturday's ago, I had to sit down at work several times.  I was suppose to have surgery in December, but now it looks like maybe April.

2009-02-09 6:57 PM
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Another question for Jorge

I found on the trainer my quads seem like they are getting more of a work out then my calves.  On the road it's my calves that seem ripped when I get done.  Normal, problem or are my legs just becoming more balanced?

Joe

2009-02-10 5:47 PM
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Was looking at week 13...the rests for the intervals are only listed in minutes, not with "Rest A" or "Rest B" on them. Does it matter? I'm gonna do the session now with "Rest B" but wasn't sure if it made a difference...

Keep pedaling, everyone!


2009-02-11 11:59 AM
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rottieguy - 2009-02-09 5:25 PM

Jorge, I wanted to get back at the cycling sessions.  I was unable to keep up at the workouts once week 8 hit, doing that much intensity was causing issues with a chronic knee issue of mine that I've had for years and I bailed, but now I see the workouts are doable to a point.

Once my knee felt better I started using various workouts from earlier weeks without issue.

Any simple recommendations on where to restart and get some benefit without having to use the big ring or push at the upper limits of what my knee will allow?

Thanks!

I would get back around now if you feel the workouts are more suited to your knee and go from there. It is VERY important for each and one of you guys to adjust the plan based on your needs. If the intensity is too high drop it back a notch, if it feels too easy then you can do a bit more. Irt is tough to address eveyone nees in a general plan but by been proactive and hands on about adjusting it you can make it work great for you

Good luck and shoot any more questions you might have.

2009-02-11 12:03 PM
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Puppetmaster - 2009-02-09 6:50 PM

A Question for Jorge

On Saturdays after our swim session we ride for 30 minutes and then run for 30.  On a Precor 846ci ( if I recall ) I am riding between 165 and 210 watts for that 30 minutes.  This week I was bored and rode 150 for 5 minutes, then did 1m around the 200-210 range 1m back to 135-150 range.  It made it go by better and drowned out the noise around me.  According to my FTP test my 100% is about 205watts

Should I just keep mixing it up or should I be try to bust balls for the 30 minutes?

what you did will work as well, what you want to accomplish to is to get work done at the prescribed intensity but in the end the more you ride the better.  Somtimes when i have to do a tempo ride (zone 3) on the trainer, insted of riding all the time (let's say 90 min) at my z3 watts I mix it up a bit and ride 5 min at high z3 watts then 5 min at low z3 watts. In the end the avg comes up around mid z3 which was the goal of the session...
2009-02-11 12:04 PM
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Puppetmaster - 2009-02-09 6:57 PM

Another question for Jorge

I found on the trainer my quads seem like they are getting more of a work out then my calves.  On the road it's my calves that seem ripped when I get done.  Normal, problem or are my legs just becoming more balanced?

Joe

you might feel more work on you quads when on the trainer because the position is too static and you are not balancing your body like when outside. If you use the same bike for trainer and outside I wouldn't be too concerned about the difference
2009-02-11 12:05 PM
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swishyskirt - 2009-02-10 5:47 PM Was looking at week 13...the rests for the intervals are only listed in minutes, not with "Rest A" or "Rest B" on them. Does it matter? I'm gonna do the session now with "Rest B" but wasn't sure if it made a difference... Keep pedaling, everyone!
nope it doesnt matter
2009-02-11 12:05 PM
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swishyskirt - 2009-02-10 5:47 PM Was looking at week 13...the rests for the intervals are only listed in minutes, not with "Rest A" or "Rest B" on them. Does it matter? I'm gonna do the session now with "Rest B" but wasn't sure if it made a difference... Keep pedaling, everyone!
nope it doesnt matter


2009-02-12 9:15 AM
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Jorge, I've been following the plan faithfully and just re-took my TT test now that I can do it on my own bike set-up (I was out of the country on the scheduled day and attempted to do it on a LifeFitness Cycle).

The results were great. Compared to my first 20 min TT, I was able to hold 30 additional watts over the testing period and my LT increased by about 5 BPM.

Great stuff, Jorge... THANKS!


2009-02-15 8:57 AM
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Morning all

I just finished week 5 last night.  I felt good during the ride and found I rode low 90% range most of the 1st 25 minute session and all of the 2nd 25 minute session.  I went into my big chainring in the second session.  It felt pretty good.

My cadeance dropped a little, but 10 minutes or so into the second session I was crusing along at a good pace.  I did find a few times I was up over 100% and slowed down worry that I might burn out.  I was also feeling those sets of side kick drills with fins in the pool over the past few days.

Moving on the week 6 or is it 8, I am skipping the Christmas break rides, that I was sick though. 

Joe

2009-02-16 4:36 PM
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Is there supposed to be a week 14?
2009-02-16 7:10 PM
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Sorry for the delay; enjoy wk 14!
2009-02-18 4:32 AM
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Week 14 #1 was a new kind of suffering.


2009-02-18 9:03 AM
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monkeyboy64 - 2009-02-18 4:32 AM Week 14 #1 was a new kind of suffering.

Ha! yes indeed, we are reaching the portion of the tough tough sessions that will make you stronger. we have a few weeks to go before testing one last time so don't slow down people, SUAT!

2009-02-18 11:06 AM
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Hey Jorge,

 

Thanks again for this.  How many weeks is this plan?  I got a little confused with the holiday weeks.

Also, any advice of how to bridge this program into Spring and Summer training plans?  I don't want all this hard work to go to waste.

 

Thanks,

Chris

2009-02-19 8:34 AM
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CKinsey - 2009-02-18 11:06 AM

Hey Jorge,

 

Thanks again for this.  How many weeks is this plan?  I got a little confused with the holiday weeks.

Also, any advice of how to bridge this program into Spring and Summer training plans?  I don't want all this hard work to go to waste.

 

Thanks,

Chris

we are near the end of the plan. The plan is 14 weeks plus the 2 holiday weeks so a total of 16 weeks.  The next 2 weeks will be the toughest ones but if you have been training consistently you will be ready. 

In terms of how to maintain your hard earned power and even keep on working to keep improving it will depend on your race schedule and main event. The closer you get to your main event (around 8-10 weeks) you have to focus on doing specific training for your distance.

If your main event are sprints/Olys then doing sessions at threshold will be more relevant for you hence you can go back to week 10-12 after you tested your new power threshold and do it again. The sessino will be the same but since your power should be higher you will be working towards imporving your power further more.

If your main events is a HIM then your main focus should be doing session @ z3 power> In that case you should work towards completing 2-3 hrs at that intensity (+ your swim/run sessions) and you could keep 1x week threshold session doing intervals anywhere between 20-50 min worth of z4 power to maintain your power threshold. 

if your main event is IM then your main focus should be @ z2. In that case you should work towards completing 4-6 hrs at that intensity shooting for the mid to high range (+ your swim/run sessions) and you could keep either 1x week intense tempo session or 1x week threshold session doing intervals anywhere between 30-40 min worth of z4 power to maintain your power threshold.

Samples for intense tempo session: 1-2 hr mid to high range @ level z3 power (82-87% FT)

Samples for threshold sessions: 4-8x5', 4x10', 2x15' or 2x20' @ level z4 (95-105% FT) with short intervals z1-z2 as recovery

How much or what kind of session will depends on your goals, fitness level, balance other 2 sports, schedule, etc. Hope that helps...

 

2009-02-19 10:28 AM
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Jorge, thanks again for all your help and the great plan.

I have an Oly I'd really like to do well at in May, but the plan for my first IM in September begins in April.

Based on your advice above, do you think I can still keep a power focus for the Oly, then go longer and slower afterward for the IM? Or am I just splitting my focus and should just concentrate on the IM?

Thanks!

Rich
2009-02-19 12:14 PM
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scoobysdad - 2009-02-19 10:28 AM Jorge, thanks again for all your help and the great plan. I have an Oly I'd really like to do well at in May, but the plan for my first IM in September begins in April. Based on your advice above, do you think I can still keep a power focus for the Oly, then go longer and slower afterward for the IM? Or am I just splitting my focus and should just concentrate on the IM? Thanks! Rich
don't know what plan you'll follow but I am assuming the plan follows a progression from none-specific to specific training hence for the first 8-10 weeks of your plan you could easily do none-specific keep doing LT/VO2/tempo (z4/z5/z3) sets and the last 12-10 weeks of your plan (assuming is a 5 month or 20 week plan) focus on doing specific training by going longer doing steady/tempo (z2/z3) sets to get you race ready.

That would be the way *I* would structure the plan in a general



2009-02-20 2:13 PM
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Great stuff on how to carry on after the program Jorge, thanks!

My version of the week 14 Q1 workout for power users, as an erg file on the computrainer.
The main set included 6x5min.@280w + 10min.@240w.




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2009-02-21 5:51 AM
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Thanks for all your help in this training regime Jorge! It definately kept me focused over the winter!

 

Is this going to be accessible from you blog in the future? I've had a set back that has me out of commission for a couple weeks but I got nice results and want to do this again once I'm back on track.

2009-02-22 3:15 PM
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Week 6/8 first week of VO2 done.  Itching real bad to get outside and on the road.

Joe

2009-02-22 8:34 PM
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week 15 is up! http://jorgepbmcoaching.blogspot.com/

we are near the end people don't slow down

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