Ironman St. George - Utah : Official Thread (Page 29)
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() #1710 checking in! Last long swim was late tonight, hilly 75 miler this weekend and time to pack and taper! Of course work-life screwed my last two weeks of training, planned on 16 hours last week and this week, but am only going to hit 11 or 12 each. Oh well, I've done most all the rest of my training; here in Houston the last few months the weather has been cold, warm, windy, and rainy; rode flats and hills, ran in it all as well; 10 pounds shy of my goal weight, but hey no more notches to move down on the belt - I am mentally ready -- Time to Bring It On St. George!!!! Taper well! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() #1319 also checking in. I am also 10 lbs shy of my goal race weight which will hurt on the hills but gravity will give me a slight advantage. Any big plans for a BT get-together pre or post race? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() chile7473 - 2010-04-15 10:58 PM furiousferret - 2010-04-15 10:57 PM Looking at Garmin Connect, it looks somewhere around 6500, with the run around 3500. I dunno about everyone else, but I'm looking forward to doing an Ironman that has so much elevation, it intimidates other Ironmen. I'd put money there are people doing AZ and FL wouldn't touch this course! You should do Silverman then. Either that or IMC will be my next IM, but probably not next year. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() So, looks like I'll be racing another IM injured...finally figured out the knee injury I've had since running a huge downhill on 4/4 is ITBS. Shutting down running for now (which won't really matter at this point...I'm overtrained for the run if anything). Won't keep me from racing, but if I can get rid of the aching, it'd be good, esp. with the hills on the SG run. At least this isn't anything like the pulled hamstring I had for Vineman...couldn't really run at all on that injury, can with this one. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() furiousferret - 2010-04-15 10:57 PM Looking at Garmin Connect, it looks somewhere around 6500, with the run around 3500. I dunno about everyone else, but I'm looking forward to doing an Ironman that has so much elevation, it intimidates other Ironmen. I'd put money there are people doing AZ and FL wouldn't touch this course! Wow 3500. I thought I was doing good to run South Mountain twice and get 2500' over 18 miles..... Wwell I guess now that I do the math, I realize it's the same amount of climbing per mile. But I was hoping the IMSG course would be *easier* than running the mountain twice! (South Mountain is one of the few places we can get significant elevation change in Phoenix area.) |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Have you tried ART for the ITBS? I had it last year and 2 sessions of ART really helped me out. I ended up having tightness at the top of the IT band and it caused the pain at my knee. I now stretch there often and before every run. Good luck with it. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ditto on the ART (Active Release Technique). That stuff coupled with a good sports massage has really helped my ankles come along. I know that ART will have a booth at the race. I have been told by my practitioner in my city that I need to go the day before the race and have them do both of my ankles. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If my feet get cold it will take me much longer to warmup and feel good than I would get slowed down swimming. This is a just finish race for me and I want to keep the comfort going as long as I can. I haven't even bought these yet, but probably will. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok, so someone who is good at this, please look at my plan and tell me what you think. I have done one, but was really messed up the nutrition. I have been practicing most of this stuff, but haven't put it all together until now. I am planning on doing my last long ride tomorrow with this plan. Please realize that I am slow. I will likely do a 90 min swim, 8 hour bike and 6 hour marathon. Thoughts? Suggestions? Breakfast: bagel, banana and protein smoothie to sip for a while Hours before race: sip on Perpetuem and munch on oat n honey granola bar 15 min before swim: Vanilla bean gu & water Swim: Hopefully not too much water here T1: EAS lite drink On the bike: Fueling every 15 min 4 scoops of Perpetuem in a water bottle with 8 lines marked on it, 4 Vanilla bean gu 2 peanut butter chewy granola bars Gatorade in aero bottle plain water in 2nd water bottle (I’m a little nervous about carrying this much fluid on the bike. Those are some big hills to carry it all up) 15 min – 1 line of Perpetuem w/water (130 cal, 1 g fat, 27 carbs, 3 pro, 115 mg sod) 30 min – gu w/water (100 cal, 0 fat, 25 carb, 0 pro, 55 mg sod) 45 min – 1 line Perpetuem w/water (130 cal, 1 g fat, 27 carbs, 3 pro, 115 mg sod) hr – ½ granola bar (85 cal, 4.5 g fat, 9.5 g carb, 2 pro, 65 g sod) Hourly total not including Gatorade sipped as needed(445 cal, 6.5 g fat, 88.5 carb, 8 pro, 350 mg sod) In bike special needs bag: Another 4 scoop bottle of Perpetuem 4 Vanilla bean gus 2 peanut butter chewy granola bar Gatorade Plain water bottle Eas lite drink Grandma’s oatmeal raisin cookies BBQ flavored Pringles IB profin tissue chapstick T2: EAS lite drink hard butterscotch candies chewing gum chapstick IB profin Run special needs bag: sweatshirt(not black this time – it’s dark!) flashlight EAS lite drink chewing gum chapstick IB profin |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() bwiens - 2010-04-16 9:23 AM Have you tried ART for the ITBS? I had it last year and 2 sessions of ART really helped me out. I ended up having tightness at the top of the IT band and it caused the pain at my knee. I now stretch there often and before every run. Good luck with it. Thanks...I may go that route if it remains a problem. Much, much, better today (not surprising, I guess, since I'm actually treating it as of last night, rather than just reducing my training load and waiting for the knee to stop being sore), but I don't want another setback. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tcovert - 2010-04-16 8:37 AM So, looks like I'll be racing another IM injured...finally figured out the knee injury I've had since running a huge downhill on 4/4 is ITBS. Shutting down running for now (which won't really matter at this point...I'm overtrained for the run if anything). Won't keep me from racing, but if I can get rid of the aching, it'd be good, esp. with the hills on the SG run. At least this isn't anything like the pulled hamstring I had for Vineman...couldn't really run at all on that injury, can with this one. Sorry to hear that... I know this is your second IM which you probably wanted to see how you can do at full strength; being in a similiar situation I'd rather show up being able to keep my foot on the gas pedal than to have to protect a body part. Just use a foam roller on it, 2-3 times a day and hope it recedes. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gcirongirl - 2010-04-16 12:21 PM Ok, so someone who is good at this, please look at my plan and tell me what you think. I have done one, but was really messed up the nutrition. I have been practicing most of this stuff, but haven't put it all together until now. I am planning on doing my last long ride tomorrow with this plan. Please realize that I am slow. I will likely do a 90 min swim, 8 hour bike and 6 hour marathon. Thoughts? Suggestions? Breakfast: bagel, banana and protein smoothie to sip for a while Hours before race: sip on Perpetuem and munch on oat n honey granola bar 15 min before swim: Vanilla bean gu & water Swim: Hopefully not too much water here T1: EAS lite drink On the bike: Fueling every 15 min 4 scoops of Perpetuem in a water bottle with 8 lines marked on it, 4 Vanilla bean gu 2 peanut butter chewy granola bars Gatorade in aero bottle plain water in 2nd water bottle (I’m a little nervous about carrying this much fluid on the bike. Those are some big hills to carry it all up) 15 min – 1 line of Perpetuem w/water (130 cal, 1 g fat, 27 carbs, 3 pro, 115 mg sod) 30 min – gu w/water (100 cal, 0 fat, 25 carb, 0 pro, 55 mg sod) 45 min – 1 line Perpetuem w/water (130 cal, 1 g fat, 27 carbs, 3 pro, 115 mg sod) hr – ½ granola bar (85 cal, 4.5 g fat, 9.5 g carb, 2 pro, 65 g sod) Hourly total not including Gatorade sipped as needed(445 cal, 6.5 g fat, 88.5 carb, 8 pro, 350 mg sod) In bike special needs bag: Another 4 scoop bottle of Perpetuem 4 Vanilla bean gus 2 peanut butter chewy granola bar Gatorade Plain water bottle Eas lite drink Grandma’s oatmeal raisin cookies BBQ flavored Pringles IB profin tissue chapstick T2: EAS lite drink hard butterscotch candies chewing gum chapstick IB profin Run special needs bag: sweatshirt(not black this time – it’s dark!) flashlight EAS lite drink chewing gum chapstick IB profin If this is the plan you have been practicing during all your long rides then this is the plan for you. Everybody's nutritional plan will be different. Personally, there's no way my body would absorb 445 calories an hour and my race weight will be around 167. I am also a firm believer that given the choice between too many calories and not enough calories you're better off taking in to many. You can always puke it up and start over. ![]() You might also find your sodium may need adjustment depending on the race day temperature. I plan on around 600mg per hour unless it's really hot then I'll add. Again, this is totally different for everyon based on sweat rates. Bottom line, if it's worked for you in training there's a 90% chance it will work for you race day. Never be afraid to adjust on race day as sh-t happens. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() gcirongirl - 2010-04-16 10:21 AM Ok, so someone who is good at this, please look at my plan and tell me what you think. I have done one, but was really messed up the nutrition. I have been practicing most of this stuff, but haven't put it all together until now. I am planning on doing my last long ride tomorrow with this plan. Please realize that I am slow. I will likely do a 90 min swim, 8 hour bike and 6 hour marathon. Thoughts? Suggestions? Breakfast: bagel, banana and protein smoothie to sip for a while Hours before race: sip on Perpetuem and munch on oat n honey granola bar 15 min before swim: Vanilla bean gu & water Swim: Hopefully not too much water here T1: EAS lite drink On the bike: Fueling every 15 min 4 scoops of Perpetuem in a water bottle with 8 lines marked on it, 4 Vanilla bean gu 2 peanut butter chewy granola bars Gatorade in aero bottle plain water in 2nd water bottle (I’m a little nervous about carrying this much fluid on the bike. Those are some big hills to carry it all up) 15 min – 1 line of Perpetuem w/water (130 cal, 1 g fat, 27 carbs, 3 pro, 115 mg sod) 30 min – gu w/water (100 cal, 0 fat, 25 carb, 0 pro, 55 mg sod) 45 min – 1 line Perpetuem w/water (130 cal, 1 g fat, 27 carbs, 3 pro, 115 mg sod) hr – ½ granola bar (85 cal, 4.5 g fat, 9.5 g carb, 2 pro, 65 g sod) Hourly total not including Gatorade sipped as needed(445 cal, 6.5 g fat, 88.5 carb, 8 pro, 350 mg sod) Has this worked for you on your long rides so far? If so, stick with it. On the surface (and since you're asking), the calories strike me as pretty high...especially if you aren't including whatever Gatorade you're drinking (@ 50 cal's per 8 oz, isn't it?). I'm also assuming you tolerate the protein in the Perp well based on training rides. |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() i swam a half 3 weeks ago in 58degree water. no water socks and double capped the head and no major issues. face was cold and feet were cold but its was definitely tolerable. i highly recommend ART. i have sought that treatment for the past 3 years (started going when IT band gave me problems) and it worked wonder. have been treating shin splints this year and it took me from not being able to walk to running long in a few weeks. 2 visits next week and another race week and you will be good to go. plus there should be some ART folks on site at the race if you get hooked on it like crack. as for sodium, i sweat out 1100-1200mg an hr so i shoot for 600-800mg intake each hour of a race. started using e-load with carbo pro and love it. also started taking s-caps and then ar loaded with electrolytes. we sweat alot in austin! |
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New user![]() | ![]() tcovert - 2010-04-16 9:37 AM So, looks like I'll be racing another IM injured...finally figured out the knee injury I've had since running a huge downhill on 4/4 is ITBS. Shutting down running for now (which won't really matter at this point...I'm overtrained for the run if anything). Won't keep me from racing, but if I can get rid of the aching, it'd be good, esp. with the hills on the SG run. At least this isn't anything like the pulled hamstring I had for Vineman...couldn't really run at all on that injury, can with this one. tcovert. ITBS? Been there done that. I have had this problem before. The fastest fix I have found is to get those IT band straps. They looks somewhat goofey, but worked great for me. I have the Pro-Tec brand. I wore them for a couple months and have never had to wear them again. Results were immediate. Put them on and run. Some time later I have started using a foam roller to roll out my legs. This seems to help too. http://www.rei.com/product/704435 Just saw this the other day and it looked interesting. I saved it in case I had IT problems again later. http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=19259&PageNum=1 |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm going in with ITBS as well - AWESOME (not). KINESIO TAPE!!! Saves my life. The type you can purchase at sports stores is called KT Tape: http://www.kttape.com/ Instructions on how to tape the IT here, I swear it helps tremendously. I have tried a lot of other therapies and this is the most noticeable. I will be racing with it on. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() cayrip - 2010-04-16 7:38 AM #1319 also checking in. I am also 10 lbs shy of my goal race weight which will hurt on the hills but gravity will give me a slight advantage. Any big plans for a BT get-together pre or post race? I have a house, thinking I can host a get together. When would people prefer? THURSDAY or FRIDAY? |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Definitely Thursday!!!!! I'll be going to bed insanely early on Friday, so I won't be able to do much. |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rustyspoone - 2010-04-17 8:33 AM tcovert - 2010-04-16 9:37 AM So, looks like I'll be racing another IM injured...finally figured out the knee injury I've had since running a huge downhill on 4/4 is ITBS. Shutting down running for now (which won't really matter at this point...I'm overtrained for the run if anything). Won't keep me from racing, but if I can get rid of the aching, it'd be good, esp. with the hills on the SG run. At least this isn't anything like the pulled hamstring I had for Vineman...couldn't really run at all on that injury, can with this one. tcovert. ITBS? Been there done that. I have had this problem before. The fastest fix I have found is to get those IT band straps. They looks somewhat goofey, but worked great for me. I have the Pro-Tec brand. I wore them for a couple months and have never had to wear them again. Results were immediate. Put them on and run. Some time later I have started using a foam roller to roll out my legs. This seems to help too. http://www.rei.com/product/704435 Just saw this the other day and it looked interesting. I saved it in case I had IT problems again later. http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=19259&PageNum=1 Already got one, actually...wore it for a short run last night. I had runners knee a couple years ago and got a knee strap for that--which worked great--so I figured I'd try an ITB strap. Definitely helped. Knee's stiff today, but nowhere near as sore. I'm going to do a fairly easy ride now. A lot of walking on tap for tomorrow (local Ren Faire)...I'll run a little after that if I feel up to it. |
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Regular![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() sportyj - 2010-04-17 10:21 AM I'm going in with ITBS as well - AWESOME (not). KINESIO TAPE!!! Saves my life. The type you can purchase at sports stores is called KT Tape: http://www.kttape.com/ Instructions on how to tape the IT here, I swear it helps tremendously. I have tried a lot of other therapies and this is the most noticeable. I will be racing with it on. I've been using a Patt Strap, but friends have used the KT tape and swear by it also. I'm thinking of trying it before my last long run tomorrow. Do you put it on before the swim and does it stay on all day? |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I have to warn about the strap - I wore it on a 50K and THAT ended up giving me HAMSTRING tendonitis...ugh. Cannot win. ![]() My KT Tape lasts about 5 days when I put it on (including lots of swimming and showering). Use rubbing alcohol beforehand. Didnt think about wetsuit stripping though ![]() Edited by sportyj 2010-04-17 8:50 PM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() sportyj - 2010-04-17 6:49 PM I have to warn about the strap - I wore it on a 50K and THAT ended up giving me HAMSTRING tendonitis...ugh. Cannot win. ![]() My KT Tape lasts about 5 days when I put it on (including lots of swimming and showering). Use rubbing alcohol beforehand. Didnt think about wetsuit stripping though ![]() I noticed the pressure on the tendon behind the knee wearing the strap yesterday...definitely will watch that. I've used KT in a half marathon for post-tib tendonitis and think it's a good product, but it did start to peel off midway through the race, actually...starting hanging down my ankle. Haven't tried it again. It did help get me through that half mary, though. |
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