CFA - part three? (Page 3)

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/family_research_council_lobbie.html

they asked congress to not get involved.  guess it depends on the reliability of sources.

also, $1000 is barely a drop in the bucket of their operations.

Funny thing is nobody cared until the CEO opened his mouth. This had been going on for a long time. So then does everyone know where all their pennies are going when the purchase from every company? Perhaps the government should step in and require all companies to put up a poster of all companies they are affiliated with through choice, or charitable giving.

What I find most amusing about the whole bru-ha-ha is Obama said him self in 08 that, "marriage is between a man and a woman and God is in the mix". Now that is awesome that since he has become President he has evolved and is enlightened now... but there was nobody calling for a boycott on him... Where was Rahm Emanuel then telling Obama he was not welcome in Chicago. Where was Bloomberg on the subject then?

As usual, this stuff goes on all the time... it is only brought to light by biased media drumming up drama and political parties stoking the flames of a social wedge issue to fire up the base during an election cycle.

Wow, I guess some might interpret that as hatefull, but I (note I am not Christian), would think that the disagree and are hoping that they can "help" a person become more like them.  That is not hate, that is belief that they are right and want others to be like them.  Sounds like normal religion to me.  For the record, I am Jewish, but my college roomate in college was "very Christian" and would often say it was his responsibility to get as many people as possible to follow the teachings of Christ.  Sounds like that's what they want.  

To disagree is not hateful.

To criminalize homosexuality is hateful.

I think the issue is the Rahm Emmanuel and an alderman were trying to not allow a Chick-Fil-A into a Chicago area because of Cathy's comments.  <I could be wrong here, been a busy week at work, and haven't kept up too much with this>

Right, because I know people that have lost weight never try to get overweight people to do the same... or those that have or never have smoked try to get smokers to live a better life... because that would just be hateful.

Why do triathletes hate overweight people?

Several reasons this is not the same. First, no candidate in 2008 was saying "I am standing up for the rights of gay people to get married". No choice. So you had to pick the candidate who was in agreement with the most points you felt strongly about.

Second, I think context is key. Just as having this particular line of discussion belongs here and not in, say, tri training, I think that making a public stance about gay marriage has nothing to do with fast food. Whereas the issue clearly IS a political one, insofar as laws rearding it are determined by political/legislative processes.

So you are only allowed to speak your mind if it relates to what you do?

So even though you might not have had a candidate to vote for that supported gay rights in 08... it was perfectly acceptable for Obama not to get any grief over saying the exact same thing?

And so this CEO is deionized for having the same belief Obama had, yet now we praise Obama for changing his mind on GM when it became politically convenient for him to do so.

And then it is OK for Rahm to wield his political conscience when it is convenient to him?

Nice.

Right.. and you have never passed judgment on anyone's lifestyle or choices. You are an amazing human being Sir.

Well, like you said it IS a lifestyle.  There are many lifestyles and beliefs we can agree on that are impure and rooted in sin.  What is happening here is that folks are trying to get the homosexual lifestyle taken out of that grouping and meeting resistance.  And anyone who disagrees with it is therefore labeled as hating, as easily as that rolls off your fingertips in your above quote.  Some things in life ARE impure and sinful.  The truth hurts sometimes and people will refuse it no matter what.  

Thankfully, we are all given choice and free will, but all too quickly forget there are also consequences.

Criminalizing homosexual or any other sexual behavior between consenting adults is ridiculous and has no place.  We don't lock up strippers, adulterers, swingers, pornographers, BDSM (whatever fetish) etc. for their deeds.  Those matters are personal and get played out at home (or office/stage/dungeon)

1. A person can change.  Folks on this thread have said their own stances have changed over time.  One said he has done a 180 on his stance. 

2. Rham wasn't mayor then.  Daley was. 

Please - that is a strawman argument. And Obama got plenty of grief about his stance, until he "changed his views". It may well have political expediency, but frankly that is not important, anymore so than Lincoln freeing the slaves because it was politically expedient to do so (he did not initially want to emancipate any of them, and then wanted to have a half-measure, allowing the "loyal" states to remain slave-holding, if I remember my history correctly).

As I said earlier, I would run to the local CFA if Dan Cathy made a public statement reversing his position. The boycott is not the same as being demonized, more like being told "I strongly disagree with you, and this is my expression of that disagreement".

What truth? Who's truth?

Now I see through a mirror, dimly.

Yes, but I don't trust the conviction when it comes from a  politician that does it for convenience. People do change, politicians lie and change only when they gain something from it.

Of course he wasn't mayor... why did he not resign from his position with Obama.... I mean come on.. in 4 years he found it acceptable to further his political career... but now as Mayor... he is so disgusted by it he tells an entire Corporation they are not welcome in his city... really?

Political grandstanding on a social wedge issue to rally the base during an election cycle.

Talking about me again?

is it true in life that there is good and bad?  lets start there.

are you really looking for truth?  or just a debate?

Ya but you are married so they are not that sinful.

Me on the other hand.... I'm sinfully delicious.

have at it dude!

B) You're always wrong. It's a fact.