Bucs vs Giants end of game (Page 3)

Sorry, got mired down in a "really" thread.

You think so?

Fair warning - "Wow, just wow," is next.  Enjoy it while you can.

They were obviously allowed to do it.  I think it's poor sportsmanship TO do it, though...  But that's the debate I guess.

All I know is I want to watch the next game they play vs each other.  There is always payback to poor sportmanship the next time around.  If the roles get reversed, I'm sure there will be some hard plays even if the game is out of hand.  Probably a lot of boderline cheap shots as well.

It will sort itself out, I assume.

My personal thought is that calling timeouts like Neuheisel did is frowned upon but not really an unwritten rule. You see it occasionally but I have never seen a reaction like that.

Hands down the worst part is Carroll running down the sideline with his hands in the air like he just won the Super Bowl. Fortunately, I don't see that ever actually see that happeneing.

I liked the Neuheisel hire. I still like the guy. He was a great recruiter, but really a pretty terrible game coach. I harbor no ill will towards him no though. He is the reason this team is could win 9 or 10 games this season. He just couldn't put the talent to use. 

Imagine the situation where there is 2 minutes left on the clock, 1st down for the offense, defense has no time outs.  This will require 3 kneel downs to end the game.

If you're the defense, after the first kneel down, you know that the offense needs to snap the ball with 1-2 seconds left on the play clock to maximize the clock runoff.  Why not line up your D-line with a few gaps in between.  Then have your linebackers and safteys line up 15 yards back, and full sprint to the line as the play clock is winding down.  Have two or three guys dive at the knees of the center, and have two or three guys jump over the line (like Polamalu) and spear the QB (ETA: not sure if leaving your feet is still allowed when tackling the QB, but you get the point...you still have a few guys sprinting at you full speed with nothing to lose but an offsides penalty).  That would significantly increase your chances of causing a fumble as both the center and QB would be extremely nervous and worried more about protecting themselves than the ball.  Perfectly legal too.  The worst thing that happens is you get caught offsides...but heck...at least you tried right?  Who cares if you get a 5 yard penalty if you're going to lose anyway.

I'm sure I can't be the first person to think of this.  And the reason why it's not done is because there is some respect that you have for the other team. 

FWIW, I don't really have a problem if the defense rushes the offense up high (around the shoulder pads) like a normal play.  Diving at the knees is where I see the problem.  Again...just an opinion. 

ETA2: Better yet, if you can cause an injury with less than 2 minutes left, you can force the offense to use a timeout and stop the clock.

Wow, what a ringing endorsment. It's pretty evenly split out there one for and against... should I bore you with some links, or do you just want to accept the fact I can post as many against as you can for?

So again.... argue the tree all you want, and completely miss the forest.

So, for now on, every team goes for every down. So now what will it be? Goal line formation, field goal formation? Defense sends a linbacker over the top? Long snap to your QB and he kneels? Keep two backs behind the QB to field a bad snap or fumble? You can come up with any number of managable plays to defend against a defense doing a "hail Mary" for a fumble recovery run back for a game winning score. It adds nothing to the game. It gives no better chance of victory.

The forest you keep missing is how football is played. Every player KNOWS you have to keep it to a one score game. They all know you need to be able to win with a field goal. The defense knows they have to get the ball back. The defense knows they have to get a 3 and out to save time. The coach knows he has to use his time outs to save time when they are running the clock out.... something the Bucs DID NOT DO because they had one time out left after the game.... teams know they have to manage the clock, they practice it every week. There have been hundreds of losses by teams that had shifted momentum and were going to win the game...except they ran out of clock. That is football. That is how it is played.

The Bucs failed countless times to secure a win. They had ample opportunity when they actually had a chance to effect the outcome and failed to get a favorable outcome. The final play was nothing but a cheap shot by a sore looser that just watched the game slip from his hands by getting 20 points hung on him in the last quarter. Next time... play better for the other 59:56 and you won't have to resort to a rookie BS cheap shot to pull something out of your rear.

Please tell me you actually understand the game was not :04.... that there was a whole 3596 seconds before that.

I don't see it as Schiano trying to win. If the mantra is play to the last snap, he should have called a timeout and made the Giants do it again. He instead allowed the clock to expire.

In my view, it was an power play by a rookie coach to get some "street cred."

OK if the chances of getting a fumble on a kneel down when they DO NOT expect it is low what are the chances of getting it when they do?  There is being bold and then being stupid.

I feel like I should be putting some money in the plate after that sermon.  Look, you have your view.  I have mine.  There are others on their thread that have agreed with me.  Some agreed with you. 

An ESPN SportsNation poll drew more than 4,300 votes, with 65 percent saying they favored the Bucs’ stance.

Bottom line it was a legal play.  Please stop trying to make it sound like you have some ethical higher ground or a better understanding of the game.

Didn't you say something about being dramatic?

I'm fine to agree to disagree. Certainly nothing illegal about it and I never even implied it was. I just find it funny to argue the play like it was some genius/hardcore move with an actual chance of winning the game for them. Of all the plays the Bucs ran that day, that one was most certainly at the very bottom of the list of possible effectiveness. If the goal is to instill a tougher mentality in Tampa to play every play... well perhaps they should work on the 99 that came before that one.

And sure, if the Giants want to get all butt hurt over it... well get over it. It was still a silly play.