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 2008-02-29 5:15 PM in reply to: #1244862 |
Elite  2768     Raleigh |  Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To NewtonDaremo - 2008-02-29 4:21 PM trigods - 2008-02-29 2:07 PM And I didnt claim nor do I think Newtons claim to change your gait, stride over night.... and yes it does take a long time to change it. But there are a lot of newbies that run wrong and cause themselves injury and if the shoes help change that for the good, then well they are worth the money. I am glad your style works for you but there have been endless studies on how running more effeciently (i,e like the Africans, kenyans etc...) can conserve energy which will make you have a faster over all time. 1) Once again, the shoes can't change that, only the runner can. 2) And all of those studies will difinitively show that running economy and efficiency has everything to do with miles miles miles ...... not how their foot strikes (heel, mid or toe) and especially not what shoe they run in. Which makes the discussion in the thread about foot strike extremely relevant and important for those "newbies" you are pointing out to read. Running economy is something you get over tons of miles of running as your body becomes more efficient. If if a new runner was to mimic the elites in their running style, they will still not be as efficient and have the running economy that the elites do. That simply takes years to develop and is centered around both muscular and neuro-muscular adaptations. And once again, a shoe design will not help - and has nothing to do with - that ........ never mind... not really worth arguing. Edited by trigods 2008-02-29 5:19 PM |
| 2008-02-29 7:08 PM in reply to: #1237228 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton The design of the sole of the shoe does tend to lean you forward and rewards you with a comfortable feel if you land on your fore foot, but it still required your mechanics to actually make it happen. It doesn't magically convert you to a new form of running mechanics. They are very under padded and I found that my leg fatigue was greater due to the impact. They are like a minimal racing shoe. |
| 2008-02-29 8:53 PM in reply to: #1237228 |
Extreme Veteran 495 Stamford, CT | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton here is my personal story on newtons (I currently own 2 pairs -one racing, one training -both stability). Before using Newtons I suffered from knee problems and was a heel striker. Before changing to Newtons after the end of the 07 season (about 1 month) I spent a month working on my gait and focusing on mid to forefoot striking. Once my sneaks ran out I made the switch to Newtons. In the past 3 month I have been able to drop my 1 mile race pace for 10K more than 1 min (from mid 8 min to mid 7 min pace). My knee issues have gone away. I also find it takes less out of me to run farther, faster (in part due to better conditioning). |
| 2008-03-01 8:00 AM in reply to: #1245242 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton jellyfish - 2008-02-29 8:53 PM here is my personal story on newtons (I currently own 2 pairs -one racing, one training -both stability). Before using Newtons I suffered from knee problems and was a heel striker. Before changing to Newtons after the end of the 07 season (about 1 month) I spent a month working on my gait and focusing on mid to forefoot striking. Once my sneaks ran out I made the switch to Newtons. In the past 3 month I have been able to drop my 1 mile race pace for 10K more than 1 min (from mid 8 min to mid 7 min pace). My knee issues have gone away. I also find it takes less out of me to run farther, faster (in part due to better conditioning). Say, I used to live in Stamford! But this is the issue with trying to gauge the efficacy of the Newton's. You were already improving your form prior to using them. It may have been possible to buy a pair of Chuck Taylors and still had the same result. Your other bio-mechanical improvements can be more readily attributed to increases mileage. Or the Newton's did help. That's why there is no real way to know. |
| 2008-03-01 10:58 AM in reply to: #1237228 |
Extreme Veteran 495 Stamford, CT | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton small world  Yeah, there is no way to tell if my increase in performance is due to Newton's or not. I'd like to think it's from all the hard work I've put into my running over the last few months. However, I am using Newtons and have not had any probs with them so will likely continue to do so. I also have never gotten blisters with them, but did with my prior shoes. |
| 2008-03-01 3:40 PM in reply to: #1237228 |
Champion 6999 Chicago, Illinois | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton Well I wish I could get a pair but my feet are too big. |
| 2008-10-25 10:13 PM in reply to: #1237228 |
| Regular 81 | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton I just won a free pair....so I'll look forward to seeing if they work as well for me... |
| 2008-10-26 6:46 AM in reply to: #1237228 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton I've never tried them but I went to an "injury prevention seminar" with Dr. Jordan Metzl, an orthopedic surgeon who writes for Triathlete magazine and is a multiple IM finisher. Someone asked him about Newtons and he said, "They've been great for my practice." |
| 2008-10-26 4:04 PM in reply to: #1237228 |
Extreme Veteran 577 | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton Honestly, I think half of the affect they have is placebo, but I bought a pair in late spring and have fell in love with them. I like how light weight they are, and how ventilated they are. Also, my speed has increased, maybe just due to motivation of running in expensive shoes, but I am noticeably faster in my newton's vs. my brookes glycerin 5s. |
| 2008-10-26 5:23 PM in reply to: #1237228 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton I have a pair. Most of the people that are think they are just hype have never tried them. When I was getting back into running, I read ChiRunning. It helped me prevent injuries that I had had previously. I picked up a pair of Newtons, having never run in flats or 'true' running shoes. I had been wearing heavily supported Brooks. Since getting those Newtons I have been able to move to neutral shoes and run in Pearl Izumi Streaks now. I still have a pair of Newtons and alternate them with my PI. For me the Newtons were like a bridge, I still like them and would buy another pair, however I am looking to move to even 'freer' shoes. I also have absolutely flat feet, wear custom orthotics in all my shoes except running shoes now. With my Brooks I HAD to wear the orthotics, Newtons and my PI I do not, mainly because of my gait, stride, and striking pattern. I will agree that landing underneath your body is the best preventative measure. |
| 2008-10-26 5:44 PM in reply to: #1237228 |
| Veteran 691 | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton I like them because I am heavy and was wearing kayanos which are very stable shoes as opposed to Newtons. A totally different feel, but when I get tired, I feel like I'm not llifting as much foot, if you know what I mean. I also like the open air top. They seem cooler. We'll see at IMFL. Any shoe is going to hurt (hint, I have a different pair at special needs 2). Rhonda |
| 2008-10-26 6:59 PM in reply to: #1237228 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton unless this type of sneaker suits your NATURAL running gait I wouldn't risk using it. Besides the many horror injury studies from many athletes at all levels, these shoes only work for thoise who naturally mid to forefoot strike (less than 10-5% of all runners) which usually are those who run lots and fast. I don't understand why triathletes tend to change sneakers models often. if you found a shoe that works for you stick to it, that and running more are the best recipe to become a faster runner. |
| 2008-10-26 7:42 PM in reply to: #1239369 |
| New Haven, CT | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton amiine - 2008-02-27 3:13 PM Scout7 - 2008-02-27 10:45 AM *sigh* x2!!!Marketing definitely works and I am not necessarily talking about the newtons but this misconception that heel striking is evil and that there is such a thing as proper or good running form. For those interesting in learning a different perspective read this series: http://scienceofsport.blogspot.com/2007/09/running-technique-is-there-right-way-to.html oh and btw, I am a heel to mid foot striker... There is a forum on slowtwitch about some dude who just converted to heel striking (http://forum.slowtwitch.com/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Ive_converted_to_heel-striking..._P2057029/). I have actually started running on the tops of in my feet to avoid the issue altogether. |
| 2008-10-26 7:58 PM in reply to: #1766851 |
| Expert 810 Southeast | Subject: RE: To Newton or Not To Newton jsklarz - 2008-10-26 8:42 PM amiine - 2008-02-27 3:13 PM Scout7 - 2008-02-27 10:45 AM *sigh* x2!!!Marketing definitely works and I am not necessarily talking about the newtons but this misconception that heel striking is evil and that there is such a thing as proper or good running form. For those interesting in learning a different perspective read this series: http://scienceofsport.blogspot.com/2007/09/running-technique-is-there-right-way-to.html oh and btw, I am a heel to mid foot striker... There is a forum on slowtwitch about some dude who just converted to heel striking (http://forum.slowtwitch.com/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Forum_F1/Ive_converted_to_heel-striking..._P2057029/). I have actually started running on the tops of in my feet to avoid the issue altogether. x3!! Another way to avoid problems due to heel striking is to wear ballet slippers and run on your toes. Any problems that you had due to heel striking will soon becomne unnoticeable.
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