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 2009-07-30 4:19 PM in reply to: #2318060 |
Pro  3705     Vestavia Hills |  Subject: RE: Winning UglyShhh ... you are going to interrupt the Lance-bashing. Rare but strange birds not often seen in these parts ... but noisy.  GomesBolt - 2009-07-30 4:17 PM phil25840 - 2009-07-30 2:49 PM I just can't help but point out the huge double standard here. Everybody is saying that Contador is showing a huge lack of tact, but Armstrong posts his "pistolero" comment on Twitter and that gets absolutely NO criticism at all. I guess it's true, Armstrong can do nothing wrong in the eyes of so many. I wonder how many people turn and face Texas five times daily for prayer call. What was the pistolero comment? That's not a derogatory term in and of itself. |
| 2009-07-30 11:59 PM in reply to: #2310553 |
Champion 6931  Bellingham, Washington | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly I just got done reading Johans book. Very good read, during the 2007 TDF, Rammussen told Levi that Albert was riding like a Girl. We know what happened to Rasmussen. ; So Alberto won this year beating a kid (Andy S.) and a old man with a busted coller bone...Big Stud. |
| 2009-07-31 8:22 AM in reply to: #2314836 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly brian - 2009-07-29 10:04 AM LOL, Astana didn't get 1, 2 and 3 because of AC? wowm shocking you believe that... (not really). Again it was all AC's fault and not one single other scenario can be considered or possible correct? LA didn't do anything wrong at all? JB is the best director and loyal to everyone right? poor Kloden was a victim and it has nothing to that he ran out of gas right? AS finish 2nd because he is lucky not cuz he is a stud? This thread is awesome...
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| 2009-07-31 8:35 AM in reply to: #2319037 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly JorgeM - 2009-07-31 9:22 AM brian - 2009-07-29 10:04 AM LOL, Astana didn't get 1, 2 and 3 because of AC? wowm shocking you believe that... (not really). Again it was all AC's fault and not one single other scenario can be considered or possible correct? LA didn't do anything wrong at all? JB is the best director and loyal to everyone right? poor Kloden was a victim and it has nothing to that he ran out of gas right? AS finish 2nd because he is lucky not cuz he is a stud? This thread is awesome...
Jorge, why are you taking this personally? People are entitled to their own opinions. There's no reason for a response like yours. IMO, AC just plain was better out there this year and would've won if Lance had tried to beat him. But Lance did play the best teammate for him on two key stages. AC on the other hand will have trouble next year whether he stays with Astana with Vino who's not a good teammate or he forms a new team because when he had the opportunity to be a good teammate, he went for personal glory. That much is clear. You need superdomestiques and those guys will do anything for you if you help them achieve their podium spots. Don't know how much they do for you when you attack and drop them and leave them in a position where they can't catch-up to you. |
| 2009-07-31 8:36 AM in reply to: #2318194 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly brian - 2009-07-30 4:19 PM Shhh ... you are going to interrupt the Lance-bashing. Rare but strange birds not often seen in these parts ... but noisy. this is funny; it reminds me when someone states they dislike some of the president actions and instead of discussing the content that person is labeled as possible racist, there is no other possible explanation as to why one can disagree or have a different point of view. In this case I personally don't dislike LA, in fact it is one of my favorite sport figures and read most of his books, but I think I can objective enough to realize he was far from a victim or the best teammate ever during the tour. Also even though I admire LA I also admire AC's cycling ability. Oh well, I'll have to change my screensaver of LA on the ITT, throw away my Mellow Johnny's jersey and stop running with my livestrong Nike Free because since I am criticizing some of his actions I must dislike him... |
| 2009-07-31 9:10 AM in reply to: #2319080 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly Lighten up, Francis ... none of this is to be taken personally. Let's just let the thing rest with the fact that we disagree on whether Contador was more or less than just the strongest cyclist in the peloton. Personally - and on a note tangentially germane to the OP - I would also like to see Contador growth as a team leaders keep pace with his ability to accelerate on the hills. I have doubts about LA's ability to compete with the likes of CA and AS next year and would instead re- enter the sport in a management instead of cycling position. As such I would also like to see more of Andy Schleck as he is the new face of cycling. On the American side, my wife (Mrs. Robinson) would like to see more of Tyler Farrar The team selection for 2010 will be very, very interesting. We'll see who surrounds themselves with whom - and then how each is able to lead their team. (ETA sarc font) JorgeM - 2009-07-31 9:36 AM brian - 2009-07-30 4:19 PM Shhh ... you are going to interrupt the Lance-bashing. Rare but strange birds not often seen in these parts ... but noisy. this is funny; it reminds me when someone states they dislike some of the president actions and instead of discussing the content that person is labeled as possible racist, there is no other possible explanation as to why one can disagree or have a different point of view. In this case I personally don't dislike LA, in fact it is one of my favorite sport figures and read most of his books, but I think I can objective enough to realize he was far from a victim or the best teammate ever during the tour. Also even though I admire LA I also admire AC's cycling ability. Oh well, I'll have to change my screensaver of LA on the ITT, throw away my Mellow Johnny's jersey and stop running with my livestrong Nike Free because since I am criticizing some of his actions I must dislike him... Edited by brian 2009-07-31 9:12 AM |
| 2009-07-31 12:21 PM in reply to: #2319166 |
Champion 9060 Charlottesville, Virginia | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly Regardless, this has made for quite some conversation. Here on BT, Slowtwitch and the Mid Atlantic Bike Racing Assocition (MABRA) mailing list and I am sure many other places that I don't visit much, there have been tons of e-mails and posts about LA vs. AC. Good to have people talking about the races makes them more fun. |
| 2009-07-31 1:04 PM in reply to: #2310553 |
| Member 198 | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly I doubt the 2009 winner of the Tour is going to have a ton of trouble finding excellent domestiques to ride with him next year. I daresay there are plenty of great cyclists out there who don't give a d*mn about this Armstrong/Contador drama and will gladly ride on any team that could raise their profiles and careers. Those of us who speak less favorably of Lance are generally trying to point out the double standard that many fans have when it comes to him. I am not diminishing his 7 wins, and he has done lots for charity, but that doesn't make him a saint. He's done jerky things to people in his career, too, so it's just a little unfair to ream Contador. |
| 2009-07-31 1:43 PM in reply to: #2319922 |
| Subject: RE: Winning Ugly cpfint - 2009-07-31 11:04 AM I doubt the 2009 winner of the Tour is going to have a ton of trouble finding excellent domestiques to ride with him next year. I daresay there are plenty of great cyclists out there who don't give a d*mn about this Armstrong/Contador drama and will gladly ride on any team that could raise their profiles and careers. Those of us who speak less favorably of Lance are generally trying to point out the double standard that many fans have when it comes to him. I am not diminishing his 7 wins, and he has done lots for charity, but that doesn't make him a saint. He's done jerky things to people in his career, too, so it's just a little unfair to ream Contador. Huh? Fair??? Ever been to a Yankees/Red Sox game?? A Lakers/Anyone game??  It's sport, fer chrissakes. people are fans of all sorts of questionable characters, doper Manny Ramirez, dog killer Michael Vick, etc etc etc.... I do like the hyperbole though. I'll have to check on my application to the Vatican to get him canonized....... Anyway, I too doubt that AC will have little trouble getting the team he needs to contend again. Head to head, and with the right team support, he most likely wins the tour again, but I think AS gives him a run for his money and is the best shot to beat AC |
| 2009-08-03 3:49 PM in reply to: #2320043 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly ChrisM - 2009-07-31 2:43 PM cpfint - 2009-07-31 11:04 AM I doubt the 2009 winner of the Tour is going to have a ton of trouble finding excellent domestiques to ride with him next year. I daresay there are plenty of great cyclists out there who don't give a d*mn about this Armstrong/Contador drama and will gladly ride on any team that could raise their profiles and careers. Those of us who speak less favorably of Lance are generally trying to point out the double standard that many fans have when it comes to him. I am not diminishing his 7 wins, and he has done lots for charity, but that doesn't make him a saint. He's done jerky things to people in his career, too, so it's just a little unfair to ream Contador. Huh? Fair??? Ever been to a Yankees/Red Sox game?? A Lakers/Anyone game?? It's sport, fer chrissakes. people are fans of all sorts of questionable characters, doper Manny Ramirez, dog killer Michael Vick, etc etc etc.... I do like the hyperbole though. I'll have to check on my application to the Vatican to get him canonized....... Anyway, I too doubt that AC will have little trouble getting the team he needs to contend again. Head to head, and with the right team support, he most likely wins the tour again, but I think AS gives him a run for his money and is the best shot to beat AC Ouch. Putting Lance in Manny and Vick's category. Rough... But I agree, he's no saint. Oh, and there's never been an agnostic (like Lance) canonized. I'm 99% certain of that. Did anyone else hear about Astarloza? |
| 2009-08-03 4:29 PM in reply to: #2324977 |
| Subject: RE: Winning Ugly GomesBolt - 2009-08-03 1:49 PM ChrisM - 2009-07-31 2:43 PM cpfint - 2009-07-31 11:04 AM I doubt the 2009 winner of the Tour is going to have a ton of trouble finding excellent domestiques to ride with him next year. I daresay there are plenty of great cyclists out there who don't give a d*mn about this Armstrong/Contador drama and will gladly ride on any team that could raise their profiles and careers. Those of us who speak less favorably of Lance are generally trying to point out the double standard that many fans have when it comes to him. I am not diminishing his 7 wins, and he has done lots for charity, but that doesn't make him a saint. He's done jerky things to people in his career, too, so it's just a little unfair to ream Contador. Huh? Fair??? Ever been to a Yankees/Red Sox game?? A Lakers/Anyone game?? It's sport, fer chrissakes. people are fans of all sorts of questionable characters, doper Manny Ramirez, dog killer Michael Vick, etc etc etc.... I do like the hyperbole though. I'll have to check on my application to the Vatican to get him canonized....... Anyway, I too doubt that AC will have little trouble getting the team he needs to contend again. Head to head, and with the right team support, he most likely wins the tour again, but I think AS gives him a run for his money and is the best shot to beat AC Ouch. Putting Lance in Manny and Vick's category. Rough... But I agree, he's no saint. Oh, and there's never been an agnostic (like Lance) canonized. I'm 99% certain of that. Did anyone else hear about Astarloza? Oh, I wasn't. Call me a sucker, but I think Lance is clean (as I think Floyd was clean). Point was, sporting star admiration often has no basis in what's fair, so choosing LA over AC, or AC over LA, based on fairness, doesn't make sense to me... Manny sat out 50 games, came back a friggin hero to a lot of Dodgers fans Any more word on Miguel? That test was pre tour, but as a stage winner doesn't he get the automatic test? Edited by ChrisM 2009-08-03 4:30 PM |
| 2009-08-03 9:12 PM in reply to: #2325089 |
Pro 3705 Vestavia Hills | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly Any more word on Miguel? That test was pre tour, but as a stage winner doesn't he get the automatic test? I am by far no expert in the process but I had always heard that the real time to test for cheating was not necessarily during the Tour but during the time leading up to the Tour? |
| 2009-08-03 10:43 PM in reply to: #2325616 |
| Subject: RE: Winning Ugly brian - 2009-08-03 7:12 PM Probably true.. But can the Tour take any action for an out of race test? I wouldn't think so but no ideaAny more word on Miguel? That test was pre tour, but as a stage winner doesn't he get the automatic test? I am by far no expert in the process but I had always heard that the real time to test for cheating was not necessarily during the Tour but during the time leading up to the Tour? |
| 2009-08-04 7:21 AM in reply to: #2310553 |
| Member 198 | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly I don't care what a bunch of baseball fans do, and I'm not "choosing" Contador over Armstrong. ("Choosing" for what, anyway? The winner's the winner.) Yeah, things aren't fair, but they SHOULD be, especially in sports. Just because someone throws the old cliche "Life's not fair" out doesn't mean I have to throw my hands up in the air, accept it, and not call them on it. If we don't at least attempt to hold ourselves and others to some standard of sportsmanship and fairness, that's just plain sad. Edited by cpfint 2009-08-04 7:21 AM |
| 2009-08-04 12:22 PM in reply to: #2310553 |
Master 2477 Oceanside, California | Subject: RE: Winning Ugly I forgot where I saw/read it, but even the French were making comments about LA pre-retirement and post-retirement. They described him as a type of all-about-winning iceman type, but that now he is much more personable. The money he makes for them does not hurt either. As good as Cantador is, Karma is a beyotch - and he will never make folks as much $$$ as Lance did/can/will. |
 2009-08-06 11:26 AM in reply to: #2327185 |
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