At least 13 killed as truck loaded with 23 passengers slams into trees in Texas (Page 3)

scoobysdad - 2012-07-23 1:31 PM

What's interesting to me in this thread is that many of the same folks who are against ANY sort of conditions being placed on the constitutionally-guaranteed right to vote (i.e. Voter ID) are all for all sorts of conditions on the constitutionally-guaranteed right to bear arms (background checks, waits and outright bans).

Seems a little... inconsistent.

Carry on.

scoobysdad - 2012-07-23 2:19 PM




Except we already DO have qualifications and restrictions on guns, not so much on voting.

Take, for instance, the very fact that we have to have CCW laws to be allowed to carry guns. Um, if we already have the right to bear arms, why do we need a law to allow it?

mr2tony - 2012-07-23 3:09 PM

You can legally carry a gun into New York, you just can't have it concealed. Just like you can legally drive a car into NYC, but you just can't have it concealed.


Nobody must undergo an eye exam to get a gun and in many states you don't have to prove you can drive a gun to get one. I dont recall going to the Department of Guns and taking an old guy in a short-sleeve shirt with a paisley tie to a gun range and parallel parking my gun.

jmk-brooklyn - 2012-07-23 2:03 PM



See, I love when this happens. The pro gun people try to make the argument that owning a gun is no different than owning a car (or a pickup truck, in this case). “Cars kill people every day! Why aren’t there more stringent laws related to car ownership? Why aren’t we up in arms every time someone kills someone with a car? No one is saying we should have a 5-day waiting period to own a car!”

Then, the people like me, who aren’t against guns but who would like more oversight over the process that allows people to get them, say, “Ok, fine. If they’re like cars, let’s make people take tests and get insurance, and meet certain standards of ownership…just like we do with cars.”

Then the pro-gun people object vehemently to that as well, because owning a gun is constitutionally protected, and therefore is nothing at all like owning a car. It’s the same circular argument every time. Either it’s like a pickup truck or it isn’t. You can’t have it both ways.

I don’t remember saying anything about a waiting period for people who already own guns. I agree with you that that doesn’t make much sense.

Btw, The thing about MLK and guns was interesting. Apparently, after receiving constant death threats and hearing that the Alabama KKK had publicly claimed that they would murder him, he sought a concealed carry permit. A request, by the way, that was rejected by the local law enforcement, despite the fact that he was a clergyman whose life was threatened on a daily basis. It seems the local cops didn’t like the idea of an African-American having a cc permit. Another proud moment in the history of this nation. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

We license cars ... yackyackyack

I see that the gun grabbers have resurrected the old "We license cars, so why
can't we license guns?" meme.

I tell you what -- every time you hear a gun grabber snivel about licensing
guns like cars, call him a liar to his face.

I would absolutely love to license guns just like we do cars and drivers --
for the same reason that every gun grabber who suggests it is lying through
his or her snaggle teeth.

Think about it.

We give a drivers license to every seventeen-year-old high school student who
can pass a lowest-common-denominator Drivers Ed course. A course that can be
successfully passed by a lobotomized chimpanzee.

In a large percentage of cases, we give drivers licenses to 16 year-old kids
who state that they have a particular hardship.

Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars.
You'll give a gun license to every 17 year-old who wants one -- just like a
drivers license.


Any person who possesses a drivers license can drive on any public road on any
state in the Union. They can drive on school grounds, they can drive on
college campuses, and they can drive to any courthouse in the Union.

Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let
anyone with a gun license carry a gun anywhere they want to, in every State in
the Union -- just like a drivers license.


Drivers licenses issued by one State must be honoured by all other States.
Anyone with a Texas Drivers License can drive any car he (or she) wants to,
anywhere in New York City that he can fit. And the New York authorities don't
have a thing to say about the matter.

Tell me, Gun Grabber, that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let
any 17 year-old cowboy from Bugscuffle, West Texas carry his gun anywhere he
wants to in New York and tell the New York authorities they can't do anything
about it -- just like a drivers license.


If you get caught driving a car without your drivers license, you get a $90
traffic ticket that comes off your record in three years.

Tell me that you want to license guns just like cars. Tell me that if that
Texas cowpoke is visiting Chicago, and gets caught carrying his gun without
his license, he gets a traffic citation -- just like a drivers license.


No one must undergo a background check to get a license, any felon can get a
drivers license, no mental checks are required for a drivers license.

Tell me again that you want to license guns just like cars. You'll let
everyone -- 17 to 70, felons, no mental checks, pay your money, take your
test, here's your gun license -- just like a drivers license.


If I'm on private property, I don't even need a driver license to drive any
car I want to, the only limit to the number of cars I can possess is the size
of my bank account, I can buy as many cars at once as my wallet can stand, and
I can buy a car off a street corner in Compton today, another from a back-yard
in New York tomorrow, I can import cars as many as a I want, from any country
that I want, and I can sell or trade any or all of them to anyone I want --
and the Federal Government doesn't have word one to say about the matter.

I build any car I want to -- with no Federal permission; I can modify,
cut-down, trick-out, customize or skeletonize any car I want to without so
much as a "Yes", "No", "Boo", "Kiss my arse" or "By your leave" from the
Federal Government.

Tell me, Mr or Ms. Gun Control, that you really want to treat guns just like
cars. Tell me that your "gun license" that is "just like we license cars" will
let us treat guns just exactly like we treat cars.

powerman - 2012-07-23 4:29 PM

Wow, somehow a motor vehicle accident turned into to yet another... sorry, the same... old tired debate about gun control.

I would be all for any and all gun control laws that actually accomplished what they were written for.

You guys just don't get it... IT IS A RIGHT! Get over it. An inalienable right is one I do not need a permit for, one I do not need permission to act on, a fee I have to pay for....  I just have it.

I will gladly allow restriction on my right to bear arms as soon as you guys accept restriction on the right to free speech. You will need to pay a fee, there will be a test that you are competent with speech, then you will have to wait for your permit, then when talking you will need to carry the permit on you at all times. If not you will be punished and your right to free speech will be revoked. The State will decide whether you may or may not be able to use your right of free speech. How's that sound?

mrbbrad - 2012-07-23 2:48 PM

Really? How are words and guns in any way comparable? Besides, "free" speech is already restricted. 

deboerkj - 2012-07-23 8:10 AM

Yeah, it is sad that we only hear certain "types" incidents. While both are tragic, and the truck killed more people, it was only a vehicle accident and vehicular deaths don't sell as much as mass shootings. I didn't hear anything on the TV news, but hear about the truck accident on my local sports radio station, at least they go a little deeper.

I also saw this and said to myself "Yup"

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mdg2003 - 2012-07-23 6:37 PM

 I'm curious to see whcih politician will pick this up and tie it to amnesty for illegals immigration reform.

" If we had a better immigration policy we could eliminate the coyotes and all this senseless suffering." or something to that effect.

mr2tony - 2012-07-24 6:38 AM Really, if we had better coyotes, we wouldn't have all this senseless suffering.

Big Appa - 2012-07-24 8:43 AM

Or better Drug cartels

bradleyd3 - 2012-07-24 6:58 AM Maybe we should legalize drugs to help stop the cartels......

Big Appa - 2012-07-24 9:01 AM

Legalize drugs and have the undocumented workers raise the crops. Sounds like a win win for everyone!