Why does abortion scare so many in the US? (Page 3)

no but they can make it more difficult... i.e, parental consent, mandatory pre-abortion education...

the government had to rule on it one way or the other... a citizen(s) filed a civil complaint... that's the process...

not necessarily so....the county hospitals and health departments here address issues for pregnant women and even offer birth control at a very discounted rate...so that argument is a stretch...

but yes....the gov't has their grimy hands in WAY too much. My paycheck being one of those.  Remember...the goverment does not make any money...it ONLY spends. 

If life begins at conception, the gov't owes me three years worth of deductions, one for each child.

ok....you tell that to the many parties who's cases were rejected by the Supreme Court....they choose NOT to take many many cases...

Remember that most of the laws we have that deal with these legal issues were first developed when there was little to no understanding of embryology or the development of humans in the womb. So birth became the standard.

They are laws based in rather outdated science.

Thankfully, science has increased our understanding of the biological development of human beings from conception onward. Perhaps our laws need to change to reflect this deeper scientific understanding. 

i believe they take the cases that would have the biggest effect on society as a whole and degree of merit?

anybody know details?

Since it's impossible to hijack the OP, I ask this because I've always been curious.

2 scenarios:

Let's say that a woman gets preganant and then does not want to have the child, but the dad does.  Who has what rights?

Other side:  The woman wants the child and the man doesn't.  Legal responsabilities?  (money wise)

Thoughts?

Slightly OT, but I'm bothered by the tendency for pro-life folks to also oppose the sex education and contraception services that may prevent many pregnancies, and therefore many abortions. 

That having been said, I'd very much like to see abortions as safe, legal and rare.  23 years ago, when my then girlfriend, now wife started having sex, we discussed pregnancy.  Both of us were pro-choice, but we also realized that neither of us could make the choice to abort a pregnancy. 

The issue as a moral one.  I personally see a fetus as a potential living person, and I accord that potential life with most of the rights of a born child.  I say "most" because there are some situations where I feel abortion is appropriate, and no situations where I feel killing a child is appropriate. 

That having been said, this is an issue of morality and beliefs.  Others do not agree and I do not feel that it is my place to impose my morals on others.  I believe we should work hard to lower abortion rates, but not by outlawing abortion.

That, Aces, was an excellent post. 

Slightly OT, but I'm bothered by the tendency for pro-life folks to also oppose the sex education and contraception services that may prevent many pregnancies, and therefore many abortions. 

That having been said, I'd very much like to see abortions as safe, legal and rare.  23 years ago, when my then girlfriend, now wife started having sex, we discussed pregnancy.  Both of us were pro-choice, but we also realized that neither of us could make the choice to abort a pregnancy. 

The issue as a moral one.  I personally see a fetus as a potential living person, and I accord that potential life with most of the rights of a born child.  I say "most" because there are some situations where I feel abortion is appropriate, and no situations where I feel killing a child is appropriate. 

That having been said, this is an issue of morality and beliefs.  Others do not agree and I do not feel that it is my place to impose my morals on others.  I believe we should work hard to lower abortion rates, but not by outlawing abortion.

Agreed...

Religious beliefs or scientific facts?

If someone says that we are endowed with rights at birth, but can't show empirical evidence as to why that is, but simply relies on "faith" that it is, then who is promoting a religious agenda.

The idea that we only become human persons at some point after conception is an act of faith. Show me why I should believe that.

Remember that most of the laws we have that deal with these financial and property issues were first developed when there was little to no understanding of embryology or the development of humans in the womb. So birth became the standard.

They are laws based in rather outdated science.

The issue as a moral one.  I personally see a fetus as a potential living person, and I accord that potential life with most of the rights of a born child.

That having been said, this is an issue of morality and beliefs.  Others do not agree and I do not feel that it is my place to impose my morals on others

Since it's impossible to hijack the OP, I ask this because I've always been curious.

2 scenarios:

Let's say that a woman gets preganant and then does not want to have the child, but the dad does.  Who has what rights?

Other side:  The woman wants the child and the man doesn't.  Legal responsabilities?  (money wise)

Thoughts?

don ...the disheartening point of "scientific facts" is that science has become so "politicized" that it adds so much "junk science" and ulterior motives behind studies.  No? 

As much as I'd like a deduction for all I spent on the baby in '08, I don't think the IRS wants to get into issues of miscarriage, stillbirth, abortion, etc. It's not science that's the issue; it's just not practical to give deductions for fetuses.

"Of the 6,000 or so certiorari (cert) petitions filed each year, the Court agrees to consider no more than about 150 and sometimes fewer."

"The Court relies on several criteria to decide if a case requires action. To win Supreme Court review, a case must fall within the Court’s jurisdiction, raise a justiciable legal issue, and concern an issue of constitutional or legal importance."

Source: Encarta

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761574302_3/supreme_court_of_the_united_states.html

Where does "abortion" begin?  With the morning after pill? or with Birth control medicines or other contraceptives?  Is conception really the start, or are the sperm and egg not living cells/organisms?

The woman currently has all rights to decide whatever she chooses. The man has no legal recourse. I've been there. My first marriage ended over this issue.

We had discussed having children many times prior to marriage and she always indicated she wanted to have children. She was always very loving with the children of friends and relatives. Yet when she became pregnant, she decided it was not convenient for her to have a child at that time. I had no voice in the matter. It's not like the child would not have been loved or would be born into poor circimstances - or any of a host of other reasons people use to kill their offspring. It was simply done for a very selfish reason. Here's the real kicker - I actually forgave her for this. Then it happened again a couple years later and I could no longer stay with a woman who so callously exterminated human life. I often wonder what the children I never got the opportunity to know would have been like.