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2009-08-06 1:57 PM
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Email I just got back from a sponser:

MediLodge too is disgusted by their comments----we have voiced our disapproval and have encouraged WCSX to issue a formal apology and discipline.

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2009-08-06 1:57 PM
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roch1009 - 2009-08-06 1:45 PM

I give this thing a big 'Meh' - did any of you actually listen to the segment?  They made a lot of legitmate (though based in sarcastic humor) claims about the behavior of a segment of the bicycle-riding population.

I didn't hear any "violence incitement" any that 7 minute segment.  Are there additional segments I should listen to?

And some of it was even funny - "We get it. You're in shape"

 



X2. I was prepared to send this out to all the tri clubs and cycling clubs with which I'm affiliated, but after listening, I'm thinking much ado about nothing.
2009-08-06 1:58 PM
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MediLodge, too, is disgusted by their  remarks and have asked WCSX to issue a formal apology and discipline

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2009-08-06 2:07 PM
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roch1009 - 2009-08-06 1:45 PM

I give this thing a big 'Meh' - did any of you actually listen to the segment?  They made a lot of legitmate (though based in sarcastic humor) claims about the behavior of a segment of the bicycle-riding population.

I didn't hear any "violence incitement" any that 7 minute segment.  Are there additional segments I should listen to?

And some of it was even funny - "We get it. You're in shape"

 


My issue isn't so much with the "violence" aspect but the intolerance of it all.  Seriously, we have certain issues between cyclists and motorists that need to be solved (from someone that was shoved into a curb by three people in a car while riding on a basically deserted road at 6 AM).  The fact that we have a couple of guys that are feeding this fire, I find irresponsible.  My letters said as much.  It's just as irresponsible as saying that it is really fun to go out and race your buddy going 130 MPH down a city street.  If one person hears this and says - "hey, dude. that sounds like a good idea", then it falls on the person that plants the idea. 
Look, we can't keep people from doing stupid stuff.  People are stupid.  We can, however, recognize an issue of intolerance, on both sides, and not feed the fire. 
2009-08-06 2:08 PM
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the bear - 2009-08-06 2:57 PM

roch1009 - 2009-08-06 1:45 PM

I give this thing a big 'Meh' - did any of you actually listen to the segment?  They made a lot of legitmate (though based in sarcastic humor) claims about the behavior of a segment of the bicycle-riding population.

I didn't hear any "violence incitement" any that 7 minute segment.  Are there additional segments I should listen to?

And some of it was even funny - "We get it. You're in shape"

 



X2. I was prepared to send this out to all the tri clubs and cycling clubs with which I'm affiliated, but after listening, I'm thinking much ado about nothing.


Putting disclaimers on their statements is pretty thinly veiled and they know they are entering murky waters. They knew what they were doing and walking a very fine line, but it was pretty clear what they were doing.
2009-08-06 2:15 PM
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Nelg - 2009-08-06 2:08 PM
the bear - 2009-08-06 2:57 PM
roch1009 - 2009-08-06 1:45 PM

I give this thing a big 'Meh' - did any of you actually listen to the segment?  They made a lot of legitmate (though based in sarcastic humor) claims about the behavior of a segment of the bicycle-riding population.

I didn't hear any "violence incitement" any that 7 minute segment.  Are there additional segments I should listen to?

And some of it was even funny - "We get it. You're in shape"

 



X2. I was prepared to send this out to all the tri clubs and cycling clubs with which I'm affiliated, but after listening, I'm thinking much ado about nothing.
Putting disclaimers on their statements is pretty thinly veiled and they know they are entering murky waters. They knew what they were doing and walking a very fine line, but it was pretty clear what they were doing.


Two shock jocks looking for, and finding, their fifteen minutes. That's what's pretty clear. I'm not giving them any more exposure.


2009-08-06 2:19 PM
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BTW, Medilodge is on board with us and apologetic, please stop emailing them.
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2009-08-06 2:52 PM
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Subject: RE: Anti-bike segment on Detroit radio station WCSX
the bear - 2009-08-06 2:15 PM

Nelg - 2009-08-06 2:08 PM
the bear - 2009-08-06 2:57 PM
roch1009 - 2009-08-06 1:45 PM

I give this thing a big 'Meh' - did any of you actually listen to the segment?  They made a lot of legitmate (though based in sarcastic humor) claims about the behavior of a segment of the bicycle-riding population.

I didn't hear any "violence incitement" any that 7 minute segment.  Are there additional segments I should listen to?

And some of it was even funny - "We get it. You're in shape"

 



X2. I was prepared to send this out to all the tri clubs and cycling clubs with which I'm affiliated, but after listening, I'm thinking much ado about nothing.
Putting disclaimers on their statements is pretty thinly veiled and they know they are entering murky waters. They knew what they were doing and walking a very fine line, but it was pretty clear what they were doing.


Two shock jocks looking for, and finding, their fifteen minutes. That's what's pretty clear. I'm not giving them any more exposure.


The Bear, you're going to have to pick a side. Are you a cyclist, or a curmudgeon?
2009-08-06 3:06 PM
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Reply from the radio station:

Thank you for your email.  While I appreciate your concerns, I have to

Object to your accusation that Deminski & Doyle encouraged listeners to

Throw things at cyclists.  Quite the opposite, they were surprised that

a law to prohibit this behavior had to be enacted, since it should be

Obvious that it's unacceptable.  Obviously, they are outspoken and have

Very strong opinions about their experience with cyclists in the Detroit

Area, and those experiences have been negative.  We welcome your

Comments and the debate that their remarks sparked.  I expect that they

will continue this conversation, and I invite you to call in to express

Your views.

 


2009-08-06 3:23 PM
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mr2tony - 2009-08-06 2:52 PM  The Bear, you're going to have to pick a side. Are you a cyclist, or a curmudgeon?


I'll be both, thank you very much. Just not going to get up in arms about every negative opinion espoused about cyclists, especially when I see a good bit of truth in that opinion. Also agree with the radio stations's response. I do not hear them encouraging drivers to throw stuff at cyclists in that clip.


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Reply from the radio station:

Thank you for your email.  While I appreciate your concerns, I have to

Object to your accusation that Deminski & Doyle encouraged listeners to

Throw things at cyclists.  Quite the opposite, they were surprised that

a law to prohibit this behavior had to be enacted, since it should be

Obvious that it's unacceptable.  Obviously, they are outspoken and have

Very strong opinions about their experience with cyclists in the Detroit

Area, and those experiences have been negative.  We welcome your

Comments and the debate that their remarks sparked.  I expect that they

will continue this conversation, and I invite you to call in to express

Your views.

 




I got the EXACT SAME email response from him.
2009-08-06 3:46 PM
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I have to agree with the Bear on this one. I didn't hear any suggestions for violence. While it was far from pro-cyclist, I would not make a big deal out of this one.
2009-08-06 3:48 PM
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the bear - 2009-08-06 3:23 PM

mr2tony - 2009-08-06 2:52 PM  The Bear, you're going to have to pick a side. Are you a cyclist, or a curmudgeon?


I'll be both, thank you very much. Just not going to get up in arms about every negative opinion espoused about cyclists, especially when I see a good bit of truth in that opinion. Also agree with the radio stations's response. I do not hear them encouraging drivers to throw stuff at cyclists in that clip.


As you know my `pick a side' comment was tongue in cheek.

I have to say that while it's true they didn't say `Throw things at cyclists' they said something comparable:

`They make you want to go Grand Theft Auto on them' and `It makes you want to throw stuff at their heads.'

That, to me, is like saying: `While I don't encourage you to throw things at them and run them off the road, I understand if you do because I really want to. But I won't. But I want to. And you shouldn't. But I understand if you do.'

2009-08-06 3:49 PM
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kmanus - 2009-08-06 1:06 PM

Reply from the radio station:

Thank you for your email.  While I appreciate your concerns, I have to

Object to your accusation that Deminski & Doyle encouraged listeners to

Throw things at cyclists.  Quite the opposite, they were surprised that

a law to prohibit this behavior had to be enacted, since it should be

Obvious that it's unacceptable.  Obviously, they are outspoken and have

Very strong opinions about their experience with cyclists in the Detroit

Area, and those experiences have been negative.  We welcome your

Comments and the debate that their remarks sparked.  I expect that they

will continue this conversation, and I invite you to call in to express

Your views.

 


I got the EXACT SAME email response from him.


That surprises you? You expected a PERSONALIZED response?

2009-08-06 3:49 PM
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SpiritFire - 2009-08-06 3:43 PM

kmanus - 2009-08-06 1:06 PM

Reply from the radio station:

Thank you for your email.  While I appreciate your concerns, I have to

Object to your accusation that Deminski & Doyle encouraged listeners to

Throw things at cyclists.  Quite the opposite, they were surprised that

a law to prohibit this behavior had to be enacted, since it should be

Obvious that it's unacceptable.  Obviously, they are outspoken and have

Very strong opinions about their experience with cyclists in the Detroit

Area, and those experiences have been negative.  We welcome your

Comments and the debate that their remarks sparked.  I expect that they

will continue this conversation, and I invite you to call in to express

Your views.

 




I got the EXACT SAME email response from him.


Of course. We all did. He's not going to take the time to write each one of us independently.


2009-08-06 3:50 PM
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mr2tony - 2009-08-06 2:52 PM  The Bear, you're going to have to pick a side. Are you a cyclist, or a curmudgeon?


I'll be both, thank you very much. Just not going to get up in arms about every negative opinion espoused about cyclists, especially when I see a good bit of truth in that opinion. Also agree with the radio stations's response. I do not hear them encouraging drivers to throw stuff at cyclists in that clip.
As you know my `pick a side' comment was tongue in cheek. I have to say that while it's true they didn't say `Throw things at cyclists' they said something comparable: `They make you want to go Grand Theft Auto on them' and `It makes you want to throw stuff at their heads.' That, to me, is like saying: `While I don't encourage you to throw things at them and run them off the road, I understand if you do because I really want to. But I won't. But I want to. And you shouldn't. But I understand if you do.'


Yep. That's one interpretation.
2009-08-06 4:50 PM
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the bear - 2009-08-06 4:50 PM
mr2tony - 2009-08-06 3:48 PM
the bear - 2009-08-06 3:23 PM
mr2tony - 2009-08-06 2:52 PM  The Bear, you're going to have to pick a side. Are you a cyclist, or a curmudgeon?


I'll be both, thank you very much. Just not going to get up in arms about every negative opinion espoused about cyclists, especially when I see a good bit of truth in that opinion. Also agree with the radio stations's response. I do not hear them encouraging drivers to throw stuff at cyclists in that clip.
As you know my `pick a side' comment was tongue in cheek. I have to say that while it's true they didn't say `Throw things at cyclists' they said something comparable: `They make you want to go Grand Theft Auto on them' and `It makes you want to throw stuff at their heads.' That, to me, is like saying: `While I don't encourage you to throw things at them and run them off the road, I understand if you do because I really want to. But I won't. But I want to. And you shouldn't. But I understand if you do.'


Yep. That's one interpretation.


Agreed. That's one interpretation most of us had. Especially those of us that have had the pleasure of riding Michigan roads with that same set of people that were listening to this segment, who run the risk of further egging on a population that's leaning that direction already.     
2009-08-06 8:52 PM
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Glad I live in Louisiana where we have sane and respectful drivers.

BTW, the governor of this backwards little state signs into law our version of the three-feet cyclist-protection law on Monday August 10. I've been invited to attend the ceremony, as have other presidents and leaders of tri clubs and bicycling clubs across the state. The legislation passed through both houses of the legislature unanimously with no dissent registered in any form from either legislators or the general public.
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rkreuser - 2009-08-06 5:50 PM
the bear - 2009-08-06 4:50 PM
mr2tony - 2009-08-06 3:48 PM
the bear - 2009-08-06 3:23 PM
mr2tony - 2009-08-06 2:52 PM  The Bear, you're going to have to pick a side. Are you a cyclist, or a curmudgeon?


I'll be both, thank you very much. Just not going to get up in arms about every negative opinion espoused about cyclists, especially when I see a good bit of truth in that opinion. Also agree with the radio stations's response. I do not hear them encouraging drivers to throw stuff at cyclists in that clip.
As you know my `pick a side' comment was tongue in cheek. I have to say that while it's true they didn't say `Throw things at cyclists' they said something comparable: `They make you want to go Grand Theft Auto on them' and `It makes you want to throw stuff at their heads.' That, to me, is like saying: `While I don't encourage you to throw things at them and run them off the road, I understand if you do because I really want to. But I won't. But I want to. And you shouldn't. But I understand if you do.'


Yep. That's one interpretation.


Agreed. That's one interpretation most of us had. Especially those of us that have had the pleasure of riding Michigan roads with that same set of people that were listening to this segment, who run the risk of further egging on a population that's leaning that direction already.     

Now they can add another bit to their segment about a bunch of cyclists getting their spandex all in a bunch.

2009-08-07 10:36 AM
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I listened to the clip yesterday and had generally the same reaction as Bear and a few others.  While not nice or fun, it was not vitriolic either.

But having slept on it, what really bothers me is gross use of stereotyping and generalizing that the DJs did.  They lump ALL cyclists into these negative categories and attributes.   That, to me, is the true ignorance of their stance. 

How is what they're saying about cyclists any different from racial profiling?  Or sexism?  Or sexual orientation?  You chose your sub-group to compare it to.  In every single case, generalizing comments are completely coming from a position of ignorance and insecurity.  Its the same deal here.



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the bear - 2009-08-06 8:52 PM Glad I live in Louisiana where we have sane and respectful drivers.

BTW, the governor of this backwards little state signs into law our version of the three-feet cyclist-protection law on Monday August 10. I've been invited to attend the ceremony, as have other presidents and leaders of tri clubs and bicycling clubs across the state. The legislation passed through both houses of the legislature unanimously with no dissent registered in any form from either legislators or the general public.


Better than Texas, where we got it passed in both the house and senate with only 5-6 people voting no only to have it vetoed by the governor, but then again it's the same guy saying Texas should secede from the union...


Overall I don't think the segment was that big of a deal but it was certainly anti-cyclist.

Common points in anti cycling articles/rhetoric

-Cyclists should follow the rules of the road like cars have to Anyone making this comment has clearly never broken a traffic law and is the perfect motorist. Granted there are cyclists out there who don't know what they're doing, but the same argument can be made for those in cars.

-Cyclists don't pay taxes so they should stay off the road I doubt theres any statistics out there to support my assumption, but I'm pretty sure 99% of cyclists also own and drive a car, therefore paying registration, license fees, gas, and other taxes that support the roads. The amount of cyclists out there that use the roads for free has to be few and very far inbetween.

-Cyclists should stay on bike paths and off the roads This was even echoed by a "guy on a bike". While I'm sure he's an avid cyclist I have a feeling he's never been on a 30+, 40+, 50+, or 100+ mile ride before. I don't think the general public realizes when they see a cyclist that that person may have been sitting in the saddle for 2,3, or 4 hours already which just isn't going to happen on a 10-15 mile bike path which is usually shared with walkers, joggers, and much slower cyclists.

-Why do they have to wear spandex? This one is preaching to the choir.
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One more update....I received the following this morning from WCSX. Looks as though Beaumont (a major sponsor and hospital) got through to the radio station; they will be airing a segment with D&D and 'a cyclist and a representative of a cycling organization' tomorrow morning (Mon, Aug 10) sometimes between 6 and 9AM.

I pray they got someone literate, respectful, and not activist, hardcore knuckleheads. It'd be lousy to get a 2nd shot at some positive pub for cyclists and have it go sideways. Anyway, here's the note:


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We, at WCSX-FM appreciate your note regarding the segment that ran on the Deminski and Doyle show on Wednesday, August 5.

Beaumont Hospitals did contact us to express their concerns about your e-mail and to express to you their concern for safety of bicyclists and of course, we do agree with them.  However, Deminski & Doyle did not encourage listeners to throw things at cyclists. Quite the opposite, they were surprised that a law to prohibit this behavior had to be enacted, since it should be obvious that it's unacceptable. We welcome your comments and the debate that their remarks sparked.

As a matter of fact, we have invited a cyclist and a representative of a cycling organization to be on the show this coming Monday, August 10 to discuss this topic..

Again, thank you for your letter and concern..

Sincerely,

Doug Podell

Program Director, WCSX & Director of Rock Programming, Greater Media Detroit

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Janet Jablonski

WCSX Senior Account Manager

2009-08-09 1:40 PM
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Good deal.  i also hope the segment goes well. 
2009-08-10 1:39 AM
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Same here, I'll be watching this thread for updates.
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