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 2010-09-24 9:11 AM in reply to: #3115471 |
Master  2621    Mechanicsburg, PA |  Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official ThreadPennState - 2010-09-24 8:53 AM My guess is that it really depends on the ability of the rider regarding the gearing that works best for you on any given course.I suspect that people will ride mainly standard cranks with a fair number of folks choosing compacts. I would guess most people would ride a 12-25 cassette because that's what standardly comes on most bikes.My early plan is a standard with a 12-25, but am debating an 11-23 as well. I definitely would like to ride the course first to get a feel for best gearing choices. I thought about the 11-23 but I ride the 12-25 mostly for training. So over the next year I'll test both on comparative terrain. I plan to leave home the 5th and arrive in Madison on the even of the 6th. Ride the bike course on the 7th. Probable drive it again on the 9th. btw I’ll be bring my tools and can swap out cassettes very quickly. LM thanks for posting that. That helps a lot. The Garmin Edge 705 is pretty accurate. Edited by tasr 2010-09-24 9:11 AM |
| 2010-09-24 11:09 AM in reply to: #3115703 |
Champion 5495  Whizzzzzlandia Silver member | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread tasr - 2010-09-24 9:11 AM PennState - 2010-09-24 8:53 AM My guess is that it really depends on the ability of the rider regarding the gearing that works best for you on any given course.I suspect that people will ride mainly standard cranks with a fair number of folks choosing compacts. I would guess most people would ride a 12-25 cassette because that's what standardly comes on most bikes.My early plan is a standard with a 12-25, but am debating an 11-23 as well. I definitely would like to ride the course first to get a feel for best gearing choices. I thought about the 11-23 but I ride the 12-25 mostly for training. So over the next year I'll test both on comparative terrain. I plan to leave home the 5th and arrive in Madison on the even of the 6th. Ride the bike course on the 7th. Probable drive it again on the 9th. btw I’ll be bring my tools and can swap out cassettes very quickly. LM thanks for posting that. That helps a lot. The Garmin Edge 705 is pretty accurate. No need to punish your legs un necessarily. I ride a 12/28 with a standard crank in the front. I will train on a 12/25, but swap it out before the race. You don't get extra credit for riding a teeny tiny cassette. There are very few "hammerable" sections. IMO. Lots of up and down, left and right, turn here, turn there, shift up, shift down, blah blah blah. Just sayin'.  I know you guys are strong cyclists. This course has the ability to really take it out of you on the first loop. |
| 2010-09-24 11:12 AM in reply to: #3115471 |
Master 1376 Chicago | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread PennState - 2010-09-24 7:53 AM My guess is that it really depends on the ability of the rider regarding the gearing that works best for you on any given course.I suspect that people will ride mainly standard cranks with a fair number of folks choosing compacts. I would guess most people would ride a 12-25 cassette because that's what standardly comes on most bikes.My early plan is a standard with a 12-25, but am debating an 11-23 as well. I definitely would like to ride the course first to get a feel for best gearing choices. I am not a super strong cyclist. I went 6:18 this year. I rode a standard with a 12-25 and was fine. Somebody like you could probably go with an 11-23. The hills can be tough, but if you are prepared you will be fine. The two biggest factors that people sometimes don't take into account
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| 2010-09-24 1:13 PM in reply to: #3111494 |
Master 1303 Mishicot, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread Hey everyone, Just thought I would post this with everyone starting to get excited. In 2008, IM made some cool training shirts and since then nothing. So what I did was redesign the shift.... here is the link if anyone wants one. The company does a great job with the shirts! http://www.zazzle.com/ironman_wi_training_shirt-235337356269707148 |
| 2010-09-24 1:48 PM in reply to: #3116276 |
Elite 3518 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread crea0029 - 2010-09-24 1:13 PM Hey everyone, Just thought I would post this with everyone starting to get excited. In 2008, IM made some cool training shirts and since then nothing. So what I did was redesign the shift.... here is the link if anyone wants one. The company does a great job with the shirts! http://www.zazzle.com/ironman_wi_training_shirt-235337356269707148 Thanks for the link Pam. I want one! |
| 2010-09-24 3:14 PM in reply to: #3115307 |
Veteran 238 Mukwonago, WI | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread tasr - 2010-09-24 12:12 AM PennState - 2010-09-23 5:05 PM Thanks for the hotel tips so far. Very much appreciated!Here is another question? What gearing would the wisconsin vets suggest for the bike course? We are looking at the Residence Inn, Madison. We stayed at the Best Western Inn on the Park. Its literally 5 blocks from transition.... Very convenient. My wife and kids liked being able to go back to the room if they needed something. I rode with a 12/27 and then to assure the hills wouldn't be a problem installed a compact crankset. BIG mistake. The 12/27 would have been fine and faster with a standard crankset. |
| 2010-09-24 3:40 PM in reply to: #3116276 |
Master 1322 Chicago | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread crea0029 - 2010-09-24 1:13 PM Hey everyone, Just thought I would post this with everyone starting to get excited. In 2008, IM made some cool training shirts and since then nothing. So what I did was redesign the shift.... here is the link if anyone wants one. The company does a great job with the shirts! http://www.zazzle.com/ironman_wi_training_shirt-235337356269707148 I was thinking of just getting some white fabric paint and putting "In training '11" on the Madison shirt I bought this year... I can't wear it right now being only 95-percent Iron. Heh. Cool idea about the shirt though. Cassettes: I had a 13-29 w/ compact but I'm not a light weight. I have great Power ratios but suck wind on the hills. |
| 2010-09-24 4:09 PM in reply to: #3115569 |
| New user 19 | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread LazyMarathoner - 2010-09-24 8:29 AM PennState - 2010-09-24 8:53 AM My guess is that it really depends on the ability of the rider regarding the gearing that works best for you on any given course.I suspect that people will ride mainly standard cranks with a fair number of folks choosing compacts. I would guess most people would ride a 12-25 cassette because that's what standardly comes on most bikes.My early plan is a standard with a 12-25, but am debating an 11-23 as well. I definitely would like to ride the course first to get a feel for best gearing choices. Actually to add to that, I found myself wishing I were on my road bike more than once during the race. It's mostly because I have shifted to enjoying the road bike a tremendous amount more than my tri bike, but I also think the course is well suited for one. I've done a few centuries on the roadie, but fear an IM on it would leave my upper body too tired for the run. Bummer. My wife actually did the race last year on her road bike, and was totally fine. In fact, we have friends who have also done the race - and ridden the course dozens of times - who encouraged us both to use our road bikes. I'm much more comfortable on my tri bike, but the wife is the opposite and says she felt great all day. Perhaps, if you plan on a training ride or two on the course, you could bring the roadie out there for a test spin? |
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| Champion 7163 Verona WI--Ironman Bike Country! | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread TommySnark - 2010-09-24 4:09 PM LazyMarathoner - 2010-09-24 8:29 AM My wife actually did the race last year on her road bike, and was totally fine. In fact, we have friends who have also done the race - and ridden the course dozens of times - who encouraged us both to use our road bikes. I'm much more comfortable on my tri bike, but the wife is the opposite and says she felt great all day. Perhaps, if you plan on a training ride or two on the course, you could bring the roadie out there for a test spin? PennState - 2010-09-24 8:53 AM My guess is that it really depends on the ability of the rider regarding the gearing that works best for you on any given course.I suspect that people will ride mainly standard cranks with a fair number of folks choosing compacts. I would guess most people would ride a 12-25 cassette because that's what standardly comes on most bikes.My early plan is a standard with a 12-25, but am debating an 11-23 as well. I definitely would like to ride the course first to get a feel for best gearing choices. Actually to add to that, I found myself wishing I were on my road bike more than once during the race. It's mostly because I have shifted to enjoying the road bike a tremendous amount more than my tri bike, but I also think the course is well suited for one. I've done a few centuries on the roadie, but fear an IM on it would leave my upper body too tired for the run. Bummer. I did the race on my Seven road bike this year with clip ons and a 12/27 (I do have a GURU tri bike). I am not the strongest cyclist in the world yet, but I had no problem with the combination and had a great run afterwards. |
| 2010-09-24 5:59 PM in reply to: #3111494 |
| Expert 663 A little slice of paradise | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread I am riding an 11/28 Tri bike which I personally find equally as comfortable as my road bike. I have ridden and do ride the course on both of my bikes. I use my Tri bike for races. My friend counted the number of times he shifted riding the course and it was 1,000. I asked Why he counted? said "He was curious and bored riding alone one day." It is a fun bike course, as you never get bored wth plenty of downhills, flats, turns and do not forget to look around and enjoy the scenery. |
| 2010-09-24 6:02 PM in reply to: #3116799 |
| Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread FredsRider - 2010-09-24 6:59 PM I am riding an 11/28 Tri bike which I personally find equally as comfortable as my road bike. I have ridden and do ride the course on both of my bikes. I use my Tri bike for races. My friend counted the number of times he shifted riding the course and it was 1,000. I asked Why he counted? said "He was curious and bored riding alone one day." It is a fun bike course, as you never get bored wth plenty of downhills, flats, turns and do not forget to look around and enjoy the scenery. That's amazing, and totally blows away having to count pool lengths over 4,500m! I'm planning to do HHH on my road bike this year so I'll get a chance to test it out. Of course HHH is WAY harder, but I'll hopefully do a course ride while there. Both bikes are equally as nice, I'm sure I'll race on the tri bike because I always do and I see the road bike as more for "fun." |
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| Master 1303 Mishicot, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread Lazymarathoner, you need to friend me because I can't leave you inspires!!!! |
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| Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread crea0029 - 2010-09-24 7:38 PM Lazymarathoner, you need to friend me because I can't leave you inspires!!!! Done! |
| 2010-09-24 8:13 PM in reply to: #3116841 |
| Champion 10742 Ames, IA | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread PennState - 2010-09-24 6:40 PM 3. Gearing! I suspect a majority of riders are improperly geared for ironman course racing in relation to their bike split time. What I mean by this is that people don't have 'enough' gears to allow saving their legs enough for a realistic chance at a good ironman run. That is to realize their potential for the run. Interestingly enough the people responding so far in this thread seem to understand this stuff extremely well. ie; they are using 12-27,28 with and without compact cranks. There ARE drawbacks to using a compact or a 12-28. But imho there are far more plusses. I hope we can continue this sort of discussion! Thanks  Interesting thoughts. The biggest thing I noticed on race day last year was how many people were grinding up the hills in way too big of a gear. I was spinning up in my 12-25 and compact and keeping about double the cadence of a lot of people slogging their way up. It was almost mind boggling. I know in some cases its different strokes for different folks, and I should be paying attention to my own race, but I couldn't help but notice. |
| 2010-09-24 9:15 PM in reply to: #3111494 |
| New user 3 Rockton, Il | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread Hi All, 1. Is this your first IM? Yes |
| 2010-09-25 4:16 AM in reply to: #3114789 |
| Veteran 693 Indianapolis | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread PennState - 2010-09-23 5:05 PM Thanks for the hotel tips so far. Very much appreciated!Here is another question? What gearing would the wisconsin vets suggest for the bike course? Just poking around here. Not doing MOO in 2011 but I've done it 4X (05, 07, 08, 09). I'm not a strong biker. Last year I think was about 5:25ish. I always use a 12-27. I always describe MOO as 'up, down, left; up, down, right". Very few places that you can just settle in the aerobars and go for a long time. It's a pretty challenging course. IMO, there are 2 pretty decent hills that always stand out in my mind. They are pretty much back to back on the course. I found using a PT ideal on the course. Run course has some rollers as well. Crowds are fantastic. Try to stay right in Madtown b/c it's a great place. 3X at the Best Western Inn at the Park (great) and 1X Campus Inn. Campus Inn is nice but rooms are tiny, european tiny. And you have to walk the hill up/down State street every time you go to expo/t-area. I'm doing Kona this year and will be at IMOO next to volunteer so I can come back in 2012. Let me know if you have any other ?'s. |
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| Master 2638 | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread 1. Is this your first IM? no |
| 2010-09-25 6:44 AM in reply to: #3117113 |
| Elite 3658 Roswell, GA | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread 1. Is this your first IM? No. This will be my 3rd. 2. Have you done IMWI before? no 3. What are your goals for the 2011 race? I don't know yet. Right now I want to finish strong and happy without a ton of training. I want to develop a plan that I get a lot of bang for the buck. With two people training for the same race 20+ hour weeks saps the life out of the house. 4. How/Why did you select the Ironman Wisconsin race? I have family near by in Monroe, WI and it sounds like a fun race. 5. Do you have any specific questions that you wish addressed about IMWI; the race, training etc...? How can I convince my lovely wife to use a compact crank? She won't listen to me. Maybe swap it out when she isn't looking? |
| 2010-09-25 11:53 AM in reply to: #3111494 |
| Master 2151 Johns Creek, Georgia | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread 1. Is this your first IM? No 2. Have you done IMWI before? No 3. What are your goals for the 2011 race? Not have sloshy stomach causing me to walk a lot, leading to blisters that prevent me from slowing jogging even when sloshy stomach disappears. And beat my IMKY time which I think is doable if I can figure out the stomach / blister issues. 4. How/Why did you select the Ironman Wisconsin race? Some crazy friends who shall remain nameless signed up and I didn't want to be left out, plus Madison sounds like a really cool place. 5. Do you have any specific questions that you wish addressed about IMWI; the race, training etc...? How does IMWI bike compare to IMKY? Similar, harder, easier? From what I've read it seems they are similar but IMWI is more technical with more shifting the entire ride. Not sure if that's accurate or not. Race wheels, are they going to make a difference? Compact crank with 12-25 - ok? (I'm sure I'll have lots more as the months go by...) |
| 2010-09-25 12:29 PM in reply to: #3111494 |
| Elite 3687 | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread 1. Is this your first? No, this will be my 3rd. 2. Have you done IMWI before? Yes, 3rd time. 3. Goals? My main goal is to have fun this year. I had a lot of fun in 2008 and then did not appeciate my accomplishment in the end. I was very stupidly not happy with what I had accomplished. In 2009 I had a bad year of training and never really had much fun. Pair that with an ill timed dive trip and broken ribs both shortly before the race and it was a disaster in the making. After taking a year off IM and having fun again I plan on enjoying every minute of preperation and racing for 2011. 4. Why MOO? For the reasons above and also because of all the really cool and special people I know doing it this year. I am stoked!! 5. No questions yet.
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| 2010-09-25 2:07 PM in reply to: #3117382 |
| Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ford Ironman Wisconsin : Official Thread mndiver - 2010-09-25 1:29 PM 1. Is this your first? No, this will be my 3rd. 2. Have you done IMWI before? Yes, 3rd time. 3. Goals? My main goal is to have fun this year. I had a lot of fun in 2008 and then did not appeciate my accomplishment in the end. I was very stupidly not happy with what I had accomplished. In 2009 I had a bad year of training and never really had much fun. Pair that with an ill timed dive trip and broken ribs both shortly before the race and it was a disaster in the making. After taking a year off IM and having fun again I plan on enjoying every minute of preperation and racing for 2011. 4. Why MOO? For the reasons above and also because of all the really cool and special people I know doing it this year. I am stoked!! 5. No questions yet.
It's our MOO '09 reunion, will be fun! |
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