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 2012-12-03 10:43 AM in reply to: #4519313 |
Champion  15211   Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL |  Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiotcrusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:41 AM crowny2 - 2012-12-03 8:30 AM crusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:21 AM KeriKadi - 2012-12-03 7:01 AM So those of you who are pro guns - do you not think there is a connection to more guns = more gun deaths? It seems to me compared to a lot of other countries we have more guns and also more murders, mass murders etc. Of course you can kill a person a lot of different ways but guns are so easy - it is pulling a trigger. I agree it is the person who pulls the trigger but allowing them to get guns so easy is part of the problem IMO. I am not against all guns for all people but do think it should be MUCH more difficult to get a gun. I could go out today and get a gun and I am in no way qualified to own a gun. Just because you are an American and it is a right does not mean you should be allowed. Easier to get a gun than a drivers license. People should have to take tests, longer waiting period etc.
It would appear that if you look at statistics that yes it is true. If you look at the same statistics you could also conclude that there are fewer rapes and less violent crime for the same reason. For example Canada has doulbe the #'s of rape per capita than the USA. Who wants to see more women raped? Not I. Correlation does not equal causation. Are you saying that more guns does not equate to more deaths? You are making the initial correlation that more guns means less rape. More guns is not necessarily the cause of less rape. |
| 2012-12-03 10:46 AM in reply to: #4519142 |
Champion 11989   Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot travljini - 2012-12-03 10:20 AM Left Brain - 2012-12-03 9:34 AM More bullcrap to take away the focus from the elephant in the room.....domestic violence. The bottom line is that Belcher was an alcoholic who couldn't control his own life....so he tried to control her, in this case to the point of murder. It's an old story. Bringing gun control into the mix is just about the dumbest angle this sotry could have taken. Yeah, let's take the focus off DV. Ugh. I've heard enough stories of DV deaths w/out guns to know he wouldn't have needed a gun, interviewed enough women who've been beaten to a pulp w/out a gun to know Monsieur Belcher, a professional football player, could've inflicted enuf damage on his own without a gun. It was just more expeditious. Exactly right, and what's so terrible about making it less expeditions? Guns make killing easier, that's why they were developed. Limit access to guns and we'll see who has what it takes to kill another human being in a more intimate manner. Sure, people get stabbed and beaten to death every day, but I'll hazard a guess to say many people who have shot and killed others would not be so ready to do it by hand. |
| 2012-12-03 10:49 AM in reply to: #4518995 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot BTW, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that the grammar police hasn't slammed you yet.  |
| 2012-12-03 11:21 AM in reply to: #4519259 |
Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot crusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:21 AM KeriKadi - 2012-12-03 7:01 AM So those of you who are pro guns - do you not think there is a connection to more guns = more gun deaths? It seems to me compared to a lot of other countries we have more guns and also more murders, mass murders etc. Of course you can kill a person a lot of different ways but guns are so easy - it is pulling a trigger. I agree it is the person who pulls the trigger but allowing them to get guns so easy is part of the problem IMO. I am not against all guns for all people but do think it should be MUCH more difficult to get a gun. I could go out today and get a gun and I am in no way qualified to own a gun. Just because you are an American and it is a right does not mean you should be allowed. Easier to get a gun than a drivers license. People should have to take tests, longer waiting period etc.
It would appear that if you look at statistics that yes it is true. If you look at the same statistics you could also conclude that there are fewer rapes and less violent crime for the same reason. For example Canada has doulbe the #'s of rape per capita than the USA. Who wants to see more women raped? Not I. I have not seen the rape numbers. Do you have a link? Honestly if a dude came at me and tried to rape me and I pulled out a gun he would probably take it from me and shoot me with it. I think this is true for a lot of women. We like to think we would be ready and could use whatever weapon we have on us for a lot of potential victims we have just given them a weapon they didn't have. |
| 2012-12-03 11:22 AM in reply to: #4519331 |
Master 1780 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot Oh, Irony, how do I love thee! The general consensus is that Costa's comment made a mental health/domestic abuse issue into a gun control issue. Most people in here (regardless of gun control orientation) agree with this fact, and decry the resulting loss of focus on the actual issues that cause this tragedy. And yet this thread also has turned into a gun control/gun ownership issue, completely ignoring the Costas comments, the actual tragedy, and everything else. |
| 2012-12-03 11:23 AM in reply to: #4519392 |
Veteran 344 | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot Samyg - 2012-12-03 11:22 AM Oh, Irony, how do I love thee! The general consensus is that Costa's comment made a mental health/domestic abuse issue into a gun control issue. Most people in here (regardless of gun control orientation) agree with this fact, and decry the resulting loss of focus on the actual issues that cause this tragedy. And yet this thread also has turned into a gun control/gun ownership issue, completely ignoring the Costas comments, the actual tragedy, and everything else. Point taken... |
| 2012-12-03 11:26 AM in reply to: #4519323 |
Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot mrbbrad - 2012-12-03 10:46 AM travljini - 2012-12-03 10:20 AM Left Brain - 2012-12-03 9:34 AM More bullcrap to take away the focus from the elephant in the room.....domestic violence. The bottom line is that Belcher was an alcoholic who couldn't control his own life....so he tried to control her, in this case to the point of murder. It's an old story. Bringing gun control into the mix is just about the dumbest angle this sotry could have taken. Yeah, let's take the focus off DV. Ugh. I've heard enough stories of DV deaths w/out guns to know he wouldn't have needed a gun, interviewed enough women who've been beaten to a pulp w/out a gun to know Monsieur Belcher, a professional football player, could've inflicted enuf damage on his own without a gun. It was just more expeditious. Exactly right, and what's so terrible about making it less expeditions? Guns make killing easier, that's why they were developed. Limit access to guns and we'll see who has what it takes to kill another human being in a more intimate manner. Sure, people get stabbed and beaten to death every day, but I'll hazard a guess to say many people who have shot and killed others would not be so ready to do it by hand. Agreed and you don't see many drive by or accidental stabbings or stranglings, can't say the same for guns. |
| 2012-12-03 11:28 AM in reply to: #4519318 |
| Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot crowny2 - 2012-12-03 8:43 AM crusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:41 AM crowny2 - 2012-12-03 8:30 AM crusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:21 AM KeriKadi - 2012-12-03 7:01 AM So those of you who are pro guns - do you not think there is a connection to more guns = more gun deaths? It seems to me compared to a lot of other countries we have more guns and also more murders, mass murders etc. Of course you can kill a person a lot of different ways but guns are so easy - it is pulling a trigger. I agree it is the person who pulls the trigger but allowing them to get guns so easy is part of the problem IMO. I am not against all guns for all people but do think it should be MUCH more difficult to get a gun. I could go out today and get a gun and I am in no way qualified to own a gun. Just because you are an American and it is a right does not mean you should be allowed. Easier to get a gun than a drivers license. People should have to take tests, longer waiting period etc.
It would appear that if you look at statistics that yes it is true. If you look at the same statistics you could also conclude that there are fewer rapes and less violent crime for the same reason. For example Canada has doulbe the #'s of rape per capita than the USA. Who wants to see more women raped? Not I. Correlation does not equal causation. Are you saying that more guns does not equate to more deaths? You are making the initial correlation that more guns means less rape. More guns is not necessarily the cause of less rape. I'll try to be more clear with my point. The same statistics when you compare the USA to other countries shows a higher murder rate with firearms and it also shows lower rape and violent crime in the USA.
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| 2012-12-03 11:31 AM in reply to: #4519409 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot crusevegas - 2012-12-03 11:28 AM crowny2 - 2012-12-03 8:43 AM crusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:41 AM crowny2 - 2012-12-03 8:30 AM crusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:21 AM KeriKadi - 2012-12-03 7:01 AM So those of you who are pro guns - do you not think there is a connection to more guns = more gun deaths? It seems to me compared to a lot of other countries we have more guns and also more murders, mass murders etc. Of course you can kill a person a lot of different ways but guns are so easy - it is pulling a trigger. I agree it is the person who pulls the trigger but allowing them to get guns so easy is part of the problem IMO. I am not against all guns for all people but do think it should be MUCH more difficult to get a gun. I could go out today and get a gun and I am in no way qualified to own a gun. Just because you are an American and it is a right does not mean you should be allowed. Easier to get a gun than a drivers license. People should have to take tests, longer waiting period etc.
It would appear that if you look at statistics that yes it is true. If you look at the same statistics you could also conclude that there are fewer rapes and less violent crime for the same reason. For example Canada has doulbe the #'s of rape per capita than the USA. Who wants to see more women raped? Not I. Correlation does not equal causation. Are you saying that more guns does not equate to more deaths? You are making the initial correlation that more guns means less rape. More guns is not necessarily the cause of less rape. I'll try to be more clear with my point. The same statistics when you compare the USA to other countries shows a higher murder rate with firearms and it also shows lower rape and violent crime in the USA.
In other words, we are saying the same thing, be careful how you use statistics because they can show you what you want to see, not necessarily what is actually there. |
| 2012-12-03 11:32 AM in reply to: #4519402 |
| Austin, Texas or Jupiter, Florida | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot KeriKadi - 2012-12-03 12:26 PM Agreed and you don't see many drive by or accidental stabbings or stranglings, can't say the same for guns. I was going to say "cue Monty Python Clip" but when I googled Man slashed by sword, I got 21 Million hits... |
| 2012-12-03 11:33 AM in reply to: #4519419 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot GomesBolt - 2012-12-03 11:32 AM KeriKadi - 2012-12-03 12:26 PM Agreed and you don't see many drive by or accidental stabbings or stranglings, can't say the same for guns. I was going to say "cue Monty Python Clip" but when I googled Man slashed by sword, I got 21 Million hits... I think at one point, the UK was going to attempt to ban any "knife" longer than I believe 3 inches unless you needed it professionally (chef, butcher, etc).
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| 2012-12-03 11:36 AM in reply to: #4519290 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot bradleyd3 - 2012-12-03 10:30 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-03 10:04 AM bradleyd3 - 2012-12-03 9:46 AM Wasn't Hank Jr. fired for a redneck rant against the President and an off color comparrision to Hitler. Wonder what the head honchos at NBC think of Costas using air time to take a dump on the 2nd Amendment? It'll be interesting to see the fall out from this...... Well, if you believe ol’ Hank, nobody fired him—he quit. He called Democrats "the enemy," and said that the president playing golf with House Speaker John Boehner (R) was "like Hitler playing golf with [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu." I actually think the first part, calling half of the American people “the enemy” just because he happens to disagree with them politically, is worse than his clumsy analogy. I don’t think there’s any doubt who the “Hitler” figure was in his scenario, but it’s a stretch to say that he was calling Obama Hitler. I don’t have any problem with his being fired simply on the basis of his comment about Democrats alone, though. Notice I didn't defend Ol' Hank.....and called is rant "redneck". You can have all the thoughts about whatever you want.....but when you interfere with a right and a privledge (that over half of America agrees with - like that stat - haha) then you deserve the same backlash. Costas happens to disagree with the 2nd Amendment and for that he should have the same punishment given to people who make stupid comments. Also....this was a thought out monologue that he put together. It's not a "one off" comment like Hank's or something Biden would say about "chains" or an Imus quote. he had time to think of this, read the Whitlock article, and think....."Nows my chance". NBC Football (with a ton of Texans watching) is probably the last place that I'd want to go on record saying "Guns are bad, mmmkay". I wasn’t suggesting that you were defending him. Sorry if it seemed that way. I don’t really see them as being remotely apples to apples. There’s a huge difference, IMO, between calling for more stringent gun laws and saying that half of Americans (which suggests half of MNF’s viewing audience—probably even one or two people in Texas  ) are “the enemy”. Costas didn’t say anything disparaging about gun owners in general or accuse all gun owners of being violent or abusive or anything like that. I agree that his rant was misplaced and poorly timed, and it’s up to his employer to decide what if any consequences there should be, but his comments didn’t come close to Hank’s. That Hank’s comments were made off the cuff doesn’t really matter. When you’re a public figure, you represent your employer 24/7. That comes with the territory. Don’t want the responsibility? Give back the six-figure paychecks and go back to playing the local saloon. In any case, he said it in an interview, not to a buddy at a backyard bbq, so he should have known better. Not really sure what Imus and Joe Biden have to do with this. Imus’ comment was openly racially derogatory, and, while he’s a comedian and gets a fair bit of slack, it’s hard to argue that that particular comment wasn’t over the line. He called a bunch of female college basketball players, “nappy headed ho’s” on a national radio broadcast. I used to listen to Imus every day, and consider myself a fan of his, but that was just stupid and he deserved to get fired for it. |
| 2012-12-03 11:40 AM in reply to: #4518995 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot *sigh* |
| 2012-12-03 11:42 AM in reply to: #4519283 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot crusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:28 AM jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-03 7:19 AM TriRSquared - 2012-12-03 7:24 AM I don't think Costas' comments are any kind of broad conspiracy on the part of the NFL to deflect from the concussion issue. I think it's one guy with a microphone shooting his mouth off. That seems like a stretch. YOu're saying the NFL directed Costas to go on the air and say that? Not likely. Of course the NFL will do anything to move the focus away from the possible brain damage that the game is causing these players. It couldn't be the 1000s of head to head collisions right? No it has to be the guns' fault. I didn't see anyone but you mention a conspiracy. I was asking TriR to clarify his comment. It sounded like he was suggesting that Costas had made his comments at the behest of the NFL as an attempt to deflect attention from the other issues that might have contributed to the tragedy, namely head injuries, alcohol abuse, and domestic violence, which have all been ongoing issues within the NFL. My point was that I thought Costas was "acting alone" and didn't have the impression that he was speaking directly on behalf of the NFL or his employer. |
| 2012-12-03 11:44 AM in reply to: #4519392 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot Samyg - 2012-12-03 12:22 PM Oh, Irony, how do I love thee! The general consensus is that Costa's comment made a mental health/domestic abuse issue into a gun control issue. Most people in here (regardless of gun control orientation) agree with this fact, and decry the resulting loss of focus on the actual issues that cause this tragedy. And yet this thread also has turned into a gun control/gun ownership issue, completely ignoring the Costas comments, the actual tragedy, and everything else. Thank you. Any time a gun is used in a high-profile crime, we end up debating gun control. If he had stabbed her, I doubt we would be debating having a waiting period to buy a chef's knife. |
| 2012-12-03 11:51 AM in reply to: #4519392 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot Samyg - 2012-12-03 11:22 AM Oh, Irony, how do I love thee! The general consensus is that Costa's comment made a mental health/domestic abuse issue into a gun control issue. Most people in here (regardless of gun control orientation) agree with this fact, and decry the resulting loss of focus on the actual issues that cause this tragedy. And yet this thread also has turned into a gun control/gun ownership issue, completely ignoring the Costas comments, the actual tragedy, and everything else. ^^^Yep
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| 2012-12-03 11:51 AM in reply to: #4519425 |
Pro 4313 McKinney, TX | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-03 11:36 AM I wasn’t suggesting that you were defending him. Sorry if it seemed that way. I don’t really see them as being remotely apples to apples. There’s a huge difference, IMO, between calling for more stringent gun laws and saying that half of Americans (which suggests half of MNF’s viewing audience—probably even one or two people in Texas ) are “the enemy”. Costas didn’t say anything disparaging about gun owners in general or accuse all gun owners of being violent or abusive or anything like that. I agree that his rant was misplaced and poorly timed, and it’s up to his employer to decide what if any consequences there should be, but his comments didn’t come close to Hank’s. That Hank’s comments were made off the cuff doesn’t really matter. When you’re a public figure, you represent your employer 24/7. That comes with the territory. Don’t want the responsibility? Give back the six-figure paychecks and go back to playing the local saloon. In any case, he said it in an interview, not to a buddy at a backyard bbq, so he should have known better. Not really sure what Imus and Joe Biden have to do with this. Imus’ comment was openly racially derogatory, and, while he’s a comedian and gets a fair bit of slack, it’s hard to argue that that particular comment wasn’t over the line. He called a bunch of female college basketball players, “nappy headed ho’s” on a national radio broadcast. I used to listen to Imus every day, and consider myself a fan of his, but that was just stupid and he deserved to get fired for it. My comparison to Imus/Biden/Hank was that their comments were "one off's"....made in the spur of the moment....right/wrong/indifferent. Costas' comments were pre-meditated and he should have known better than to take a captive audience and use it for his personal soapbox on gun control. If you want to trash 2A on your talk show or HBO show.....go for it. I don't watch his shows. I'm sure a lot less people now will watch him too....especially Texans. What Costas did was say that if that he didn't have a gun, they'd be alive today. If that's not advocating gun control, I don't know what is. Granted he didn't say anything disparaging against gun owners, but when you make a statement like that.....you are. That's basically saying that guns caused this issue....when we all agree that it didn't. The gun was the tool....the easiest tool....the quickest tool. We will have to agree to disagree on this one (which we do a lot of....but that's why I lof CoJ....we all get so pissed and up in arms (like that pun) but at the end of the day, we're all triatheles with a lot of time on our hands). |
| 2012-12-03 11:51 AM in reply to: #4519331 |
| Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot crowny2 - 2012-12-03 10:49 AM BTW, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that the grammar police hasn't slammed you yet.
It's taken everything I have to leave it alone. obvious type-o. |
| 2012-12-03 11:52 AM in reply to: #4519462 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot jgaither - 2012-12-03 11:51 AM crowny2 - 2012-12-03 10:49 AM BTW, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that the grammar police hasn't slammed you yet.
It's taken everything I have to leave it alone. obvious type-o. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 2012-12-03 11:55 AM in reply to: #4519466 |
| Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot crowny2 - 2012-12-03 11:52 AM jgaither - 2012-12-03 11:51 AM crowny2 - 2012-12-03 10:49 AM BTW, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that the grammar police hasn't slammed you yet.
It's taken everything I have to leave it alone. obvious type-o. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! btw........ haven't |
| 2012-12-03 11:58 AM in reply to: #4519472 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot jgaither - 2012-12-03 11:55 AM crowny2 - 2012-12-03 11:52 AM jgaither - 2012-12-03 11:51 AM crowny2 - 2012-12-03 10:49 AM BTW, I'm shocked, SHOCKED, that the grammar police hasn't slammed you yet.
It's taken everything I have to leave it alone. obvious type-o. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! btw........ haven't HA! I knew something was wrong when I wrote that. |
| 2012-12-03 12:05 PM in reply to: #4518995 |
Master 2277 Lake Norman, NC | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot Sorry for the late reply: BT CoJ Looney-Lefty-Liberal "BFD" here... This has nothing to do with gun control and this shouldn't be the time or place to discuss gun control. This has everything to do with identifying and treating mental illness, seeing the signs and preventing domestic violence. This was an extreme "crime of passion" and the means could've been just about anything. To me, the moment of silence before Sunday's Chiefs-Panthers game was for Kasandra Perkins.
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| 2012-12-03 12:21 PM in reply to: #4519495 |
Champion 7821 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-12-03 12:05 PM Sorry for the late reply: BT CoJ Looney-Lefty-Liberal "BFD" here... This has nothing to do with gun control and this shouldn't be the time or place to discuss gun control. This has everything to do with identifying and treating mental illness, seeing the signs and preventing domestic violence. This was an extreme "crime of passion" and the means could've been just about anything. To me, the moment of silence before Sunday's Chiefs-Panthers game was for Kasandra Perkins.
I think the chiefs explicitly said in their public-address announcement that the moment of silence was for "the victims of domestic violence." When the team officials commented in the news conference, they mentioned her first. Did anyone see the comments made by the Chiefs QB at the news conference? I wish I could find them. They were great. Heartfelt and smart, and exactly on point. |
| 2012-12-03 12:24 PM in reply to: #4519527 |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-03 12:21 PM Bigfuzzydoug - 2012-12-03 12:05 PM I think the chiefs explicitly said in their public-address announcement that the moment of silence was for "the victims of domestic violence." When the team officials commented in the news conference, they mentioned her first. Did anyone see the comments made by the Chiefs QB at the news conference? I wish I could find them. They were great. Heartfelt and smart, and exactly on point. Sorry for the late reply: BT CoJ Looney-Lefty-Liberal "BFD" here... This has nothing to do with gun control and this shouldn't be the time or place to discuss gun control. This has everything to do with identifying and treating mental illness, seeing the signs and preventing domestic violence. This was an extreme "crime of passion" and the means could've been just about anything. To me, the moment of silence before Sunday's Chiefs-Panthers game was for Kasandra Perkins.
Brady Quinn “We live in a society of social networks, with Twitter pages and Facebook, and that’s fine, but we have contact with our work associates, our family, our friends, and it seems like half the time we are more preoccupied with our phone and other things going on instead of the actual relationships that we have right in front of us. Hopefully, people can learn from this and try to actually help if someone is battling something deeper on the inside than what they are revealing on a day-to-day basis.” His press conference. Poinant. Edited by crowny2 2012-12-03 12:25 PM |
| 2012-12-03 12:26 PM in reply to: #4519437 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Bob Costas is a idiot jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-03 12:42 PM crusevegas - 2012-12-03 10:28 AM I was asking TriR to clarify his comment. It sounded like he was suggesting that Costas had made his comments at the behest of the NFL as an attempt to deflect attention from the other issues that might have contributed to the tragedy, namely head injuries, alcohol abuse, and domestic violence, which have all been ongoing issues within the NFL. My point was that I thought Costas was "acting alone" and didn't have the impression that he was speaking directly on behalf of the NFL or his employer. jmk-brooklyn - 2012-12-03 7:19 AM TriRSquared - 2012-12-03 7:24 AM I don't think Costas' comments are any kind of broad conspiracy on the part of the NFL to deflect from the concussion issue. I think it's one guy with a microphone shooting his mouth off. That seems like a stretch. YOu're saying the NFL directed Costas to go on the air and say that? Not likely. Of course the NFL will do anything to move the focus away from the possible brain damage that the game is causing these players. It couldn't be the 1000s of head to head collisions right? No it has to be the guns' fault. I didn't see anyone but you mention a conspiracy. And did my response several replies above clarify it for you? In short, not a conspiracy but Costas knows where his paycheck comes from. |
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