Irresponsible gun owners (Page 3)

One law, no. A full reboot of our approach to gun ownership? Maybe.

I've said it a thousand times, but everyone seems to want to ignore the inconvinient fact. What licenses, tests, requirments, approval, permission from the government, re-test, applications.... do you guys have to fill out to exercise the other 9 freedoms you enjoy that the Bill of Rights protects for you????

Please, somebody answer that.

I'm convinced now.

Like what? 

Start with the 400,000,000 guns alrewady in the hands of citizens.

You're right. I'm wrong. As you were.

It doesn't matter if you are or not. 

You mean like removing it from the Bill of Rights?

And that right there is my problem with the anti-gun position.  There is NOTHING to it.  It's an idea, an emotion, an anecdote....nothing else.

The right to bear arms and have a standing militia does not mean we do not have any reason to not add layers of protection. The other freedoms in the Bill of Rights do not result in slaughters.

Ok real question for the people who want more restrictions or laws.

What kind of crime do you think more laws or restrictions will help prevent?

I just wonder because I live in CA and we do have a lot of the things people want on a national scale and we still have a high crime rate, murders, shooting sprees, and everything else.

To me, the idea of putting greater penalties on people who a) don't think about what they are doing b) are negligent c) don't actually know what they are doing is not addressing the real issue.  It seems to be more of band-aid to me.  I think in most cases these are accidental shootings and accidents are accidents.  They are unintentional and the law does take intention into account on occasion.  It seems to me the real desire is to stop it before the accident happens and IN MY OPINION that's done through education.

I'll say this, because I was taught the proper respect for firearms at a very early, I have no interest in assault rifles or handguns, but I do own several hunting rifles and shotguns.  That is a conclusion I came to on my own and does not insinuate that anyone else who comes to a different conclusion is somehow wrong.  That was just my conclusion.

However I find that the majority of gun owners that I have been exposed to are a) not properly trained in gun handling or b) are sloppy with their gun handling.  I was one until I gained some experience.

And there is my problem with self righteous gun toting people, they think any call for control is anti gun. I defy you to find any post anywhere by me that is anti gun. If you want to hang your hat on my inability to come up with any control measure that you would find palatable then you have it. Glad I'm here to help you dig in your heels. The world needs more hardened minds.

Education - Is that the key to fix it?  How many children do you see going to school that have excellent grades and love to be in school?  How many children are in the middles and how many don't want to be there at all.  Move these same children into society 15 years down the road.

Now, I am looking at this at the standpoint of the people I see in the small community where I work, not where I live.  I see people from 18 to 55 working where I do that do not care about anyone but themselves and do not want further eduction on the job they are doing to improve their job or to improve themselves.  We are a small company, but those who are trying to improve themselves and their job via education, is less than 5%.  I am really hoping that the education for children is much higher than that, but I have no idea what the real percentage is.

Would their be a "higher education" standard in owning a gun of any type, or different levels of guns depending upon the education of the person trying to own a gun?

Double post?  Damn edumacation thread!!!

MY reference to education was education on gun handling, firing practices, and sighting; not A's and B's in school.

If YOU are throwing out education standards on gun ownership, I personally can't walk with you down that path.

I agree with you 100% Powerman

Real answer.  More restrictions on guns we would not have had what happened today.  Would not have had the Aurora shooting.  Would not have had Columbine.  Should I go on?

I have heard the argument that their are knifes, clubs, driving a vehicle into a crowd, etc.  But we see mass killings...it's with guns.  IMO...the world would be a better place without them. 

Flame away!

Just a short answer....in most states there are laws that make it a cirminal offense for not properly securing your firearm in such a manner so that a child could gain access to it. 

So those alwas are out there.   And yes, at least in the jurisdiction I worked in they were being enforced.  The problem is that those laws aren't juicey enough to make the news and the prosecution of those laws are also not juicy enough to make the news.

 If we can have laws that limit the amount of fishing rods and or hooks a angler can have at one time why can't we have sensible gun control? If you can"t kill the deer because you have to take 10 seconds to reload then spend some time in target practice.  Buy back all semi automatics and assult rifles at fair market value. If you do not comply within six months you go to jail. Time to get these guns off the streets for good. You can hunt and defend your home with guns that require loading. This would limit mass killings.......I love to remember these kids with a "sandy hook bill" so no other parent or child has to deal with this because of the needs of a few to carry assault weapons. 

 Sincerely, an AR-15 owner

LB.  I had stayed away from the computer until yesterday evening when I took the time to log my workout and dropped in on COJ.  I saw this thread for the first time and forgive me for only viewing the first page and the the first post on this page before I posted myself!  I did not realize that there was a "truce".  And really, it's irrelevant to me anyway...I was never a part of any "truce".  Those that are can stay away from the thread for 24-hours!