Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) (Page 32)

Correct, no intervals during last night's ride. 

I was just thinking that TX is known for having steamy weather and this might be playing a role.

Janyne, you raise an interesting point. Dew point, that is. I track temp and humidity and have noticed correlations there.  But I have been hearing more about dew points from the weather guy and I think that I should begin to track that as well. 

Sean, I have noticed in the past 2 or 3 weeks that I start running with much less "pop", but once I get warmed up, it's all good.  I guess I agree with both Ben's point and Janyne's point.  Or the ever popular "everything matters".  

ETA: Are you feeling fatigued when you ride or swim, or is it only running that you feel it? When I run more (usually winter) I actually feel less fatigued, but I believe that is due to the cumulative stress being less and the weather being more run friendly during the exercise. I ride in 90*/90% + weather for the next 5 months or so and by the end of it, I am READY for a weather break. So, more running along with less bike/swim in cooler weather feels better to me.  I don't know if that makes any sense, but I figured I throw in my 2 cents.

How long has it been feeling that way? Obvious next question is "what else has changed"?

You need to make sure you're drinking tons.  I've been drinking a lot more fluids, and it's helping my bike and runs a lot.

I have been planning on racing my first MTB race of the year this weekend, but it's looking pretty bad at the moment

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Rained pretty hard last night with threats of more rain coming.  Sadness.

I don't know the body can be weird about that stuff.  All I know is that I doubled my hydration intake on the bike and drink a lot more on days where I run now.  We're at heat indexes of over 100 mid day here with high humidity.  Hell it was 83 in my garage yesterday morning for my trainer ride.  I sweated through two 20 ounce bottles in an hour.

Matt, are you really racing at "Butt's Park"? That is a simply awesome name. I have nothing else, except that I hope your weather clears for you.

Sounds like you're just getting older Sean.

Seriously, I think you reach a point with your training and fitness where you can't expect to feel in a groove right out of the gates.  The more I train and fitter I get the longer it seems to warmup and shake off the cumulative aches and pains.  In the early stages of building fitness, my first miles used to feel the best and then as I tired things declined.  Now, it takes me at least a mile running, about 500 yards swimming, and about 20 minutes of cycling before I feel like my muscles are stretched and fluid and my heartrate has settled into a sustainable level to match my efforts.

I think some of it is mental too.  Kind of opposite of how your mind will allow your body to go to a higher output when it knows you will survive a race and you get a surge when you see the finish line of a race.  I think it was in the book Ironwars when either Scott or Allen spoke of some of the things our minds do to protect us from running ourselves into the ground.  At the beginning of a training session, I've been trying to think positively and not lets the initial aches and pains frustrate me.  I just let the transitional period play out knowing that like clockwork at the points noted above things will kick in.  I've tried to gradually push a little to compensate for the slower paces during these warmups and it does not seem to negatively impact me.  I guess I still prefer though to listen to my body and just let it do its thing.  

Any time I increase volume or intensity, I feel a little slower/sluggish. As time wears on and my body adapts I feel better, then I add a new stress

That sounds like a really cool website. I think we can all stand to learn a lot by seeing how pros train and maybe more important, when they actually explain the purpose, what went wrong, how they felt etc. and allow for conversation vs say, the opportunity to say "amazing"

I too have found that in general, the more talented folks are extremely humble and respect one another. 

Yes, our bodies are remarkable at trying to keep us alive. 

It's important to learn when to listen and when you can push through.

Do you build in some weeks where you step back a bit, ie a recovery week? 

Yikes!  Good luck.  With all that rain, will they pull it to keep the trails from getting too ripped up?  Not sure if they do that around here for MTB races, but they sure do for XC races. (No comments about the park name although several very juvenile ones come to mind. )

We've been having some pretty wild weather here.  Last night we got thunderstorms with hail, flash flooding from 2" of rain in an hour, and several tornadoes right in town.  All the "fun" hit right around the start time for my race.  Not sure if they cancelled or not; their policy is "rain or shine" with the only exception being delays for lightning.  I wasn't able to go due to work (I was here until 9 freaking 30).  I'm not sure I would have run in those conditions, if I could have even gotten there.  Ironically, yesterday was Bike to Work Day, which I didn't do due to work logistics.  The morning was lovely, the end of the day--not so much.  Not exactly ideal encouragement to get people to bike-commute!!

Do they cancel the event because of erosion of trails? 

Heh heh butt park.

Butt's Park, heh heh heh, although I admit to repeatedly seeing it as Butt's Pork...

So just when I'm starting to get myself mentally sorted out with the whole Syracuse mess, I get an email from Ironman offering me 50% off from a list of races this season since I was one of the ones that couldn't finish because of the weather.  Some of the races simply won't suit because they are too soon or I have other plans, or they are too far away.  However, Timberman *could* work.  Now I have to decide before July 6 if I want to take advantage of the offer, which will also mean finding lodging, finding a travel partner (my usual tri pal LT will be in CO), and getting the blessing of Eddie, not necessarily in that order.   Oh, and getting my seat issues ironed out, QUICKLY.

They close mountain bike trails in rain (or even if they are just wet and mucky) to prevent erosion and damage.

I wouldn't schedule rest days necessarily, just feel free to take one every now and again if needed. Or don't be scared to run really, stupidly slow. 

I love this group.  From a serious discussion on what we can get from pro's training and leg fatigue to 12 year old boy mentality.  On the same page.

I was thinking about leg fatigue this morning and how it can feel like they are bricks on some runs, and then you get that feeling of floating and muscle memory sometimes.  All part of the process I guess.  I remember a few years ago having a similar issue and Salty said that she couldn't remember the last time her legs didn't feel heavy on a run.  I stopped whining .

Since many parks are named after someone, I feel bad for the dude with the last name Butt.  But (snerk) then, I used to play hockey with a woman whose last name was Crapper.  Her married name.  So it could always be worse!  Heh heh.  (Do you hear Beavis and Butthead?)  hahahahaha.

I ran 2 hours this am.  I may be a little loopy right now!

ETA: Butts park is right near Yazoo city?  You can't make that up!

Yeah it's called Buddy Butts Park
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Buddy+Butts+Park/@32.3042213,-90.3141676,14z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x5bfd407d77d2b4fe?sa=X&ei=_0iMVaLwMoHfsAWR66qACg&ved=0CHcQ_BIwCw

It's a pretty fun trail that's not incredibly technical except for 3 drops that are followed by steep kickers that test your ability to hold pace and burst.  Obviously if the trails are wet then those won't be safe at all.  The park itself is pretty bad about drainage too, so I'm worried about it.  There's a backup trail that the race could move to, but it's way more technical.  I'm nowhere near prepared enough to race that course dry much less wet, so I'm holding out for Butts to dry.  Yeah I know you guys can run that one to the end zone.  Wait that left the door open again!

Hmmmmmmmm I dunno, she did choose to take the name!

And funny you mention what I had said a while back. As I was writing Sean advice I was thinking to myself that I am totally in the same boat since I am in a volume phase (in the heat.)

And look at you, 2 hours! Kirsten, you have come a long way! Loopy or not. 

That's what makes it so funny, that she took it!  I mean I guess her maiden name could have been worse, but I am not sure how!!

And thanks