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2016-04-19 5:37 AM
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Of course, I always wish I were a little bit faster but this was a very honest effort and true representation of my current fitness. It also qualifies me to come back next year and get that one last marathon goal out of the way.....


That's a pretty impressive time. Sub 3 on any other course.

I have never run Boston (never ran a marathon) but I have spectated it from the age of 5 to 15 many years. I have seen some people finish that race in pretty bad shape.


2016-04-19 8:41 PM
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Well, I am reminded that as much as running a marathon hurts, the next couple of days are no picnic either.

My wife and I walked most of Boston's Freedom Trail of historic sites. At least five miles. I wore no Marathon gear but my disjointed gait made my post race condition painfully obvious as hundreds of people acknowledged my membership in the Boston Marathon fraternity. Walking down stairs was a lesson in suffering, or comedy, depending on your perspective. If I remember correctly, tomorrow will be worse and Thursday I will turn the corner. Maybe all of today's walking will jump start my recovery.
2016-04-20 10:47 AM
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Well done! If the tracker was correct you paced the race quite well. I have a bunch of friends whose pace slowed by 30 seconds or more per mile due to the heat. There is no shame in walking down the stairs backwards.
2016-04-20 8:07 PM
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Fastest 5K was 21:25. Slowest 5K was 22:30ish. Have to be satisfied with that.

The last 5 miles hurt. A lot. But more often than not, if you can embrace the suffering, you can continue to run pretty darn fast even if the body is no longer happy doing it. It gets to be a mental game and I am always unhappy with myself if I 'break' and allow the pace to fall off. Sometimes there is nothing you can do, but again, I believe that the body usually has reserves that we haven't come close to accessing.

(now I need to remember my own advice in the future when the bike starts to suck)

All of the walking yesterday has served me well. I feel much better than I have in the past on the second day after a marathon.
2016-04-21 5:50 AM
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Fastest 5K was 21:25. Slowest 5K was 22:30ish. Have to be satisfied with that.


That's some solid pacing - I'd think on a course like Boston that inevitably (if you pace it right) you're going to get some variance in pace on the different sections, as opposed to on a flatter course.

Nice work Jason. As a dude who has never run more than 10K, running a marathon (and doing it in 3 hours) is pretty damn impressive to me.
2016-04-21 7:56 AM
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Originally posted by wannabefaster Fastest 5K was 21:25. Slowest 5K was 22:30ish. Have to be satisfied with that. The last 5 miles hurt. A lot. But more often than not, if you can embrace the suffering, you can continue to run pretty darn fast even if the body is no longer happy doing it. It gets to be a mental game and I am always unhappy with myself if I 'break' and allow the pace to fall off. Sometimes there is nothing you can do, but again, I believe that the body usually has reserves that we haven't come close to accessing. (now I need to remember my own advice in the future when the bike starts to suck) All of the walking yesterday has served me well. I feel much better than I have in the past on the second day after a marathon.

 

Hard to believe you had knee surgery and were still able to pull off such a great result. Any issues with the knee post race?

I am calling my ortho today.  Something is going on with my right knee.  Pain toward the inside..medial I think part of the knee.  Been really stiff. Doesn't really bother me while biking or even running but super stiff when just walking around or if seated for awhile.  Super sprint on Saturday so will shoot for an appt next week. Ugh!  



2016-04-21 9:34 AM
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Bob Babitt recently did an interview with Kienle and he talked about how little he ran when he won Kona in 2014. Very much worth a listen. We (I) obsess about volume whereas I think your history of running is probably more important
2016-04-22 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by wannabefaster Fastest 5K was 21:25. Slowest 5K was 22:30ish. Have to be satisfied with that. The last 5 miles hurt. A lot. But more often than not, if you can embrace the suffering, you can continue to run pretty darn fast even if the body is no longer happy doing it. It gets to be a mental game and I am always unhappy with myself if I 'break' and allow the pace to fall off. Sometimes there is nothing you can do, but again, I believe that the body usually has reserves that we haven't come close to accessing. (now I need to remember my own advice in the future when the bike starts to suck) All of the walking yesterday has served me well. I feel much better than I have in the past on the second day after a marathon.

Once again awesome result!  I've done a few HMs and have a lot of respect for the distance and training needed for a full. Well done!

Unfortunately, running is currently on hold for me for the moment.  After running 17 kms on Sunday, a pain in my right heel slowly developed the next day which I'm worried could be plantar fasciitis.  I don't have all of the symptoms - it doesn't immediately hurt when I get out of bed - but the location of the pain is consistent with PF.

Its better today but there is still a bit of discomfort and so I don't want to push it.  I've heard some horror stories of PF lingering for months or years, and so am going to be very cautious over the next little while.

 

2016-04-24 8:50 AM
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Knee has been fine.

I still have quite a bit of residual soreness. If I try to run my quads let me know that they aren't ready yet. I have been doing some very gentle swimming to try to work out the soreness. I think it has been helping.

Tomorrow I am going to slowly get back to triathlon training. I am really excited for this season, much more so than last year. I have been looking at all of the races here in Michigan and plotting out how I can do as many Sprints and Olympics as possible while I work toward IMChattanooga. Steve, my coach, says that he is going to try some very "unconventional" bike training on me to try to help me make a breakthrough. I am interested (and a little scared) about what that means. I'll share on here as it unfolds.
2016-04-24 1:38 PM
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I raced a 5k yesterday morning -- I'm very happy with the progress I'm making, but I'm pretty sure I'd rather run a marathon than a 5k!  Race report: http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=540665&posts=1#M5178616 

2016-04-24 9:54 PM
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Originally posted by ligersandtions

I raced a 5k yesterday morning -- I'm very happy with the progress I'm making, but I'm pretty sure I'd rather run a marathon than a 5k!  Race report: http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=540665&posts=1#M5178616 




Really, really well done.


2016-04-25 6:52 AM
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Nicole-great report.  Always fun to  get insight into what others are thinking about during their races.  I am 100% with you on the pain of the 5K.

I did a super sprint at Pensacola Beach Saturday morning.  300 yard swim was in the Sound rather than the Gulf.  Have to say it was one of the toughest I have done in recent memory.  Strong north wind had waves heading straight into  shore for the leg out. Then right turn to the next buoy had me breathing into the waves as I breathe left. Pushed it pretty hard on the 10 mile bike leg as I was hoping to compensate for what I expected to be a slower run given my limited running recently.  Ended up with 3rd fastest bike split and decent run...but about 10-15 seconds/mile slower than where I was last year.  Ended up  winning Grandmasters (over 50) and 7th overall.  Knee did pretty well on the run but I am glad  I will  see the ortho tomorrow as I  need to figure out what is going on.

Easy 30 mile group ride yesterday to flush out the residue from the short/painful Saturday race.

Have a good week everyone.

2016-04-25 9:18 AM
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Originally posted by wannabefaster
Originally posted by ligersandtions

I raced a 5k yesterday morning -- I'm very happy with the progress I'm making, but I'm pretty sure I'd rather run a marathon than a 5k!  Race report: http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=540665&posts=1#M5178616 

Really, really well done.

Thanks!  I'm very much in awe that your slowest 5k split as part of a marathon was faster than my stand alone 5k PR!!  But I'm making progress and that's all that matters

2016-04-25 3:40 PM
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Originally posted by ligersandtions

Originally posted by wannabefaster
Originally posted by ligersandtions

I raced a 5k yesterday morning -- I'm very happy with the progress I'm making, but I'm pretty sure I'd rather run a marathon than a 5k!  Race report: http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=540665&posts=1#M5178616 

Really, really well done.

Thanks!  I'm very much in awe that your slowest 5k split as part of a marathon was faster than my stand alone 5k PR!!  But I'm making progress and that's all that matters





:-)

I have learned that there is always someone faster, no matter how fast you get.

I was happy this morning that my all out 100s were just a tiny bit faster than the guy "slowly" warming up in the lane next to me...... As you said, progress.

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2016-04-27 7:44 AM
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Went to the ortho yesterday for a look  at my right knee.   Ortho is a member of the Team I am on so nice to have someone that knows me, my training and racing history as well as upcoming races.  Also got to  visit with him about his recent race at Boston.  Jason, he uses the same Coach you use.  So, he feels that it is a likely muscle imbalance that has caused some issues with the knee.   Not surprising given I have had 2 prior surgeries to the knee and have a decent bit of arthritis in it..  Cortisone shot to help with inflammation and if that doesn't resolve the issue (along with strengthening exercises) we will do an MRI as it could be a meniscus tear.

Knee feels great this morning as compared to the usual "rusty hinge feeling" I have most mornings.  A little elliptical work this morning  and a good bit of single leg work to get started on the process.

With things moving along into Spring does anyone have any races coming up in the near future? 

2016-04-27 8:44 AM
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Randy, isn't getting old a blast! 

My heel was feeling better so tried an easy 6 km treadmill run last night.  First run since the heel pain started last Sunday and felt fairly comfortable.  More importantly didn't feel any pain when I woke up this morning. 

I'm planning my race schedule for the summer and am looking at roughly two races each month starting in June.  Mainly Sprints with an Olympic in August and possibly a HIM to end the season in September.

If I book one more race then the multi race discount bumps from 15% to 25%, and so basically works out to be a free race.  But the only date that works for me would be a Sprint on the Saturday before the HIM.  I usually feel recovered from a Sprint a few days after the race so I think it would be doable.  Last year I raced 3 Sprints on back-to-back-to-back weekends and actually felt stronger for each race.  



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Jason N and other mountain bikers-Itching for a mountain bike to mix up my training a bit.  Want to by from my LBS as they are Team sponsors that provide a discount and just an all around great group.  So I will by new where as I would typically be looking at used options...it is worth the extra $$ for the service and support the LBS provides and has provided me over the years.

I will be riding mostly in South Alabama where the trails are not too steep but some are technically challenging.  Will likely try to go To Oak Mountain State Park outside of Bham which is supposed to have some awesome more challenging trails.  Potentially may do a mountain bike duathlon or Xterra but also some gravel road riding.

What are the must haves?  I am leaning toward a 1X hardtail setup.  Carbon versus aluminum frame is not a huge deal but would like to keep it relatively light. Decent quality front suspension as well and tubeless or tubeless ready.

The benefit of your expertise and experience would be great.  Looked at the Open brand (Jason N mentioned this brand earlier) hardtail with front suspension but at $2999 for the frame that gets out of my price range.  LBS carries Cannondale, Felt and Scott in mtn bikes but could get Open if I wanted it.  Budget likely $2000-3000.  Here is what I had looked at as a possible candidate. 

http://www.feltbicycles.com/USA/2016/Bikes/mountain/XC-Hardtail-29-/nine-3.aspx

Thoughts? Thanks

2016-04-27 10:38 AM
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Awesome job Nicole! 5k's hurt.
No races for me until June, got to wait for the water temps. to warm up.
I have a couple of questions about training with power. Now that I'm able to ride outside my TSS has jumped quite a bit. The Trainer Road Plan I'm following has a weekly indoor TSS of about 280 right now, last week with 1 indoor ride and 2 outdoor rides I had a TSS of around 410. I think it's due to the fact that outside I tend to ride for a lot longer then on the trainer. Anything wrong with that? Also what do you look at on your head unit? 3 second avg. power, IF, NP etc.?

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2016-04-27 1:17 PM
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Randy, from what little I have learned thus far in talking with others and doing my own research, it really depends on where you want to ride and what you expect to use the bike for.  Unlike road and triathlon riding...mountain biking, gravel riding, or simply off road can vary by a huge amount.  

I would talk to the local mountain biking and xterra gurus in your area and pick their brains.  Get as many opinions as you can as far as what they prefer for various trails.  Then take a lot of time to do some research online and learn about the various mountain bikes.  Hardtails, full suspension XC, trail bikes, enduro bikes, etc.  They all have different characteristics that fulfill a specific purpose.  There are lots of youtube videos explaining the difference as well as reviews on various bikes.  Unlike road bike reviews, mtb reviews tend to actually have more substance than "it rides great."

The biggest choices you will have to make that can't really be adjusted after the fact is how much travel do you want (front/rear), what size wheels do you want to run (27.5 or 29), and frame material.  A lot of the other stuff can be swapped out or adjusted like drivetrain preference, tire width, tubeless wheels, a seat post dropper, handlebar width, etc.

 

 

 

2016-04-27 4:09 PM
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I have a couple of questions about training with power. Now that I'm able to ride outside my TSS has jumped quite a bit. The Trainer Road Plan I'm following has a weekly indoor TSS of about 280 right now, last week with 1 indoor ride and 2 outdoor rides I had a TSS of around 410. I think it's due to the fact that outside I tend to ride for a lot longer then on the trainer. Anything wrong with that? Also what do you look at on your head unit? 3 second avg. power, IF, NP etc.?

You can generally get away with a big jump in volume / TSS on the bike more easily than you can on the run.  I've done similar jumps in the past for pretty much the same reason -- I'm happy on the trainer up to 90 minutes, so if I don't have a need to ride longer, I'll wait until it's nice enough outside to do the longer stuff (I am fortunate that I can ride year-round if I choose to).

I have a few different screens on my computer showing various metrics (depending on the goal of the ride).  One of the screens has seven fields (I believe) which includes NP, 10s power, AP, HR, cadence, speed, and distance.  Another screen has lap power, 10s power, lap distance, HR, and cadence (notably missing is speed because there are times when I do NOT want speed).

I can (close enough) calculate IF and VI in my head, so I don't worry about those.  I also do a lot of math on my long rides and runs to keep my mind away from the pain, so one of my hobbies is to try to calculate TSS, so I don't have that metric on my screen.

2016-04-27 8:08 PM
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Originally posted by GoldenSprocket I have a couple of questions about training with power. Now that I'm able to ride outside my TSS has jumped quite a bit. The Trainer Road Plan I'm following has a weekly indoor TSS of about 280 right now, last week with 1 indoor ride and 2 outdoor rides I had a TSS of around 410. I think it's due to the fact that outside I tend to ride for a lot longer then on the trainer. Anything wrong with that? Also what do you look at on your head unit? 3 second avg. power, IF, NP etc.?

I took a look at your logs and those three rides were a little less than 5 hours total.  410 TSS in that time frame is pretty massive.  Doable, but it's also possible that you are capable of putting out more power outdoors and thus your FTP number may need to be adjusted.  This might bring your TSS numbers down a bit.  There really isn't anything wrong with riding longer if you feel good.  The main thing is not to impact your other workouts.

As far as what I view on my head unit.  

First page I look at 3s power, speed, heart rate, lap power, lap normalized power, lap time, and total TSS.  I'm on this page 99% of the time.

Second page and third page I have a whole bunch of fields.  Total avg power, total NP, time, time of day, temp, distance, avg speed, avg hr, elevation gain, calories, max power, battery life, GPS signal, etc.



2016-04-27 8:11 PM
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Originally posted by GoldenSprocket Awesome job Nicole! 5k's hurt. No races for me until June, got to wait for the water temps. to warm up. I have a couple of questions about training with power. Now that I'm able to ride outside my TSS has jumped quite a bit. The Trainer Road Plan I'm following has a weekly indoor TSS of about 280 right now, last week with 1 indoor ride and 2 outdoor rides I had a TSS of around 410. I think it's due to the fact that outside I tend to ride for a lot longer then on the trainer. Anything wrong with that? Also what do you look at on your head unit? 3 second avg. power, IF, NP etc.? [/QUOTE

I have 3 screens set up on my Garmin:

Page 1:  3sec power; AP; NP; Elapsed time; Distance; HR; Cadence 

Page 2: 3sec power; Lap power; NP lap; current lap time; lap distance; Lap HR; Cadence

Page 3; Speed; Avg speed; Temp; Time of day

I never go past the first page when racing as I am only concerned with power numbers.  The second screen is really helpful when training and doing intervals. Rarely ever look at third screen but what the hell.

It seems like alot of information but I like to keep first and second screen consistent.  During workouts/races I really don't pay attention to cadence but interesting to look at it post ride.  Occasionally will have a strength type workout where doing higher resistance at lower cadence and I'll watch it then..

 

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Originally posted by Jason N

Randy, from what little I have learned thus far in talking with others and doing my own research, it really depends on where you want to ride and what you expect to use the bike for.  Unlike road and triathlon riding...mountain biking, gravel riding, or simply off road can vary by a huge amount.  

I would talk to the local mountain biking and xterra gurus in your area and pick their brains.  Get as many opinions as you can as far as what they prefer for various trails.  Then take a lot of time to do some research online and learn about the various mountain bikes.  Hardtails, full suspension XC, trail bikes, enduro bikes, etc.  They all have different characteristics that fulfill a specific purpose.  There are lots of youtube videos explaining the difference as well as reviews on various bikes.  Unlike road bike reviews, mtb reviews tend to actually have more substance than "it rides great."

The biggest choices you will have to make that can't really be adjusted after the fact is how much travel do you want (front/rear), what size wheels do you want to run (27.5 or 29), and frame material.  A lot of the other stuff can be swapped out or adjusted like drivetrain preference, tire width, tubeless wheels, a seat post dropper, handlebar width, etc.

Thanks Jason...good information.  Will definitely do my research.  The OPEN UP bikes are sweet and you can use a big variety of wheel set ups.  Could very easily be a do "everything" type of bike with a couple or three  wheelsets.  Just too pricey for me. 

 

 

 



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Yeah, the Open bikes are very much a boutique bike and given the extreme talent and experience of the founders, Andy Kessler and Gerard Vroomen, you are going to pay a big premium for their work. 

I'd be shocked if we don't see the major manufacturers copy their lead and come out with their own bikes that can accomodate 700cc and 650b in the next couple of years.  But have something like a complete Shimano 105 build for around $2500 with an aluminum frame.

For your purposes though, you probably at least want a front suspension, if not full suspension...unless you plan to buy another bike on top of that.  

 

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Thanks. Great point regarding my outdoor FTP, haven't tested outdoors for a while. Hopefully it's gone up a bit. There were a couple of good climbs on the 2 outdoor rides. I end up going a good above FTP on the climbs. My FTP is so low if I didn't go well over I would fall over.
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