They are getting worse (NFL Replacement Refs) (Page 4)

Nope. A week 3 MNF game isn't even close to a super bowl loss. That game is widely regarded as one of the worst officiated games of all time (prior to these replacements of course, who have probably one-upped them multiple times)

Thank you. The replacement refs could have done a better job in that SB. So much for the sanctity of the "real" refs.

 agreed, this was the first game this year I've actually sat down to watch the entire game and I was really impressed with seatle D in the first half.  just incredible.   we should be talking about that.. not the failed lingerie leagues refs in the nfl

There is no doubt that the Packers' O line in the first half was awful and the Seahawks defense was great. No doubt.

However, can one say with 100% certainty that if Rodgers hadn't been sacked 8 times that the Packers would have won the game? No. It would have made it much easier, sure, but it would not be certainty. Can one say with 100% certainty that if that last call had been correctly called an INT rather than a TD that the Packers would have won the game? Yes. That is why it is being talked about so much.

Note: Fans on either side can insert any of a number of bad calls on both sides from during the game in place of my "sacked 8 times" example in the first question. No matter which it is, the answer is still "No." The only call that with absolute certainty cost the team that game is the last one.

In my humble opinion, yes it is worse because is literally, absolutely cost the Packers the game. There is NO QUESTION that there have been MANY other very bad calls by the replacement refs this year. I don't think even the most whipped up Packer fan would dispute that. (I know I certainly don't.) But this is the only one that 100%, absolutely, without a doubt cost a team the game.

In my humble opinion, yes it is worse because is literally, absolutely cost the Packers the game. There is NO QUESTION that there have been MANY other very bad calls by the replacement refs this year. I don't think even the most whipped up Packer fan would dispute that. (I know I certainly don't.) But this is the only one that 100%, absolutely, without a doubt cost a team the game.

It's very common for people to look at a single scoring play at the end of the game and think that one play decided the game, but it just doesn't. Not 100%, not absolutely, not without a doubt. So far this year the Packers are averaging 65 offensive plays a game. 65 opportunities to score while in possession of the ball offensively, not even counting defensive opportunities to score, or special teams. One play does not decide a game, even if it is the last play of the game. Get the ball in the end zone a couple of times before the final seconds next time. If one play decided a game, games would consist of one play. 

It's very common for people to look at a single scoring play at the end of the game and think that one play decided the game, but it just doesn't. Not 100%, not absolutely, not without a doubt. So far this year the Packers are averaging 65 offensive plays a game. 65 opportunities to score while in possession of the ball offensively, not even counting defensive opportunities to score, or special teams. One play does not decide a game, even if it is the last play of the game. Get the ball in the end zone a couple of times before the final seconds next time. If one play decided a game, games would consist of one play. 

I don't know how to be more clear. *That* play decided the winner of that game. Whoever "won" the call was going to win the game. Period. You simply can't dispute that fact, no matter what the Packers should/could have done earlier in the game.

I realize the game is 60 minutes. Really, I do. And I know the Packers have played horse-crap offense this year, and that if they had scored more during that game the last play would not have been an issue. I get it. But they didn't. And neither did the Seahawks for that matter. Neither team scored enough points to make the outcome of the last play irrelevant to the overall win or loss.

What I am saying is, in that situation, based on the reality of what *did* happen (rather than what the Packers should/could have done), that last call determined the winner of the game. Refs call a TD, and the Seahawks win. Refs call a INT, and the Packers win. That is the part that I am saying was a 100% absolute certainty. It just was.

I don't know how to be more clear, no it didn't.

In my humble opinion, yes it is worse because is literally, absolutely cost the Packers the game. There is NO QUESTION that there have been MANY other very bad calls by the replacement refs this year. I don't think even the most whipped up Packer fan would dispute that. (I know I certainly don't.) But this is the only one that 100%, absolutely, without a doubt cost a team the game.