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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). Dude. Too easy -- steak and, um, other stuff you get on March 14. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). I'm pretty happy that none of the Xmas stuff for Tony is tri/gear/race related. (and yes, I know Tony is hoping that I'll slip up and blab what I got him, but it ain't happenin!!) |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). I'm pretty happy that none of the Xmas stuff for Tony is tri/gear/race related. (and yes, I know Tony is hoping that I'll slip up and blab what I got him, but it ain't happenin!!) You got 50 inches....you upgraded from Tony's little one......now shut up and like it. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). I'm pretty happy that none of the Xmas stuff for Tony is tri/gear/race related. (and yes, I know Tony is hoping that I'll slip up and blab what I got him, but it ain't happenin!!) Actually I'm hoping you slip up and tell me what to get YOU! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by bradleyd3 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl You got 50 inches....you upgraded from Tony's little one......now shut up and like it. Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). I'm pretty happy that none of the Xmas stuff for Tony is tri/gear/race related. (and yes, I know Tony is hoping that I'll slip up and blab what I got him, but it ain't happenin!!) Don't worry, I DO like it! It was just a bit much to take at first. Sensory overload! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by mr2tony Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Actually I'm hoping you slip up and tell me what to get YOU! Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). I'm pretty happy that none of the Xmas stuff for Tony is tri/gear/race related. (and yes, I know Tony is hoping that I'll slip up and blab what I got him, but it ain't happenin!!) Alright... I'll try to think of something if you're really at a loss for what to get me. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by mr2tony Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Actually I'm hoping you slip up and tell me what to get YOU! Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). I'm pretty happy that none of the Xmas stuff for Tony is tri/gear/race related. (and yes, I know Tony is hoping that I'll slip up and blab what I got him, but it ain't happenin!!) Alright... I'll try to think of something if you're really at a loss for what to get me. No, I can think of something. But I want it to be a good gift so it may take a while. So far I think I'm like 2-1 in the good gift department. Or you're just being nice. |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! Edited by Kido 2013-11-25 11:45 AM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by mr2tony Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl No, I can think of something. But I want it to be a good gift so it may take a while. So far I think I'm like 2-1 in the good gift department. Or you're just being nice. Originally posted by mr2tony Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Actually I'm hoping you slip up and tell me what to get YOU! Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). I'm pretty happy that none of the Xmas stuff for Tony is tri/gear/race related. (and yes, I know Tony is hoping that I'll slip up and blab what I got him, but it ain't happenin!!) Alright... I'll try to think of something if you're really at a loss for what to get me. I'd say you've done REALLY well in the good gift department. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Kido In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! I usually find the gift thing stressful too. Especially with the niece and nephew as we don't live near them and I constantly have to check with my brother (who NEVER gets back to me) and my SIL about what they're into or what they want. Which is also a balancing act as I know my parents are doing the exact same thing and we don't want to double up on gifts. My parents are pretty crappy to buy for too, as whatever they either want or need they'll just get for themselves. Oh well, I guess it's about that time to send out the annual "what should I get so-and-so" for Xmas? |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by mr2tony Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl No, I can think of something. But I want it to be a good gift so it may take a while. So far I think I'm like 2-1 in the good gift department. Or you're just being nice. Originally posted by mr2tony Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Actually I'm hoping you slip up and tell me what to get YOU! Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl On the plus side, I've just finished Xmas shopping for Tony. Finished mine for Jonny. For once he had a list a mile long (OK, maybe 5 items) and I have NOTHING to give him. It's an odd day when a girl doesn't have any presents she wants! I know! I'm the same way right now - no idea what to tell Tony I want for Xmas. Granted - he didn't tell me what he wanted either, I just picked stuff for him, and I hope he likes it! Having a hard time thinking about what to tell Beth to get me. Especially when gear has been put off limits for Christmas (for the both of us). I'm pretty happy that none of the Xmas stuff for Tony is tri/gear/race related. (and yes, I know Tony is hoping that I'll slip up and blab what I got him, but it ain't happenin!!) Alright... I'll try to think of something if you're really at a loss for what to get me.
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by Kido In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! I usually find the gift thing stressful too. Especially with the niece and nephew as we don't live near them and I constantly have to check with my brother (who NEVER gets back to me) and my SIL about what they're into or what they want. Which is also a balancing act as I know my parents are doing the exact same thing and we don't want to double up on gifts. My parents are pretty crappy to buy for too, as whatever they either want or need they'll just get for themselves. Oh well, I guess it's about that time to send out the annual "what should I get so-and-so" for Xmas? Here's a thought. Would it be too presumptuous to do a list/registry? Hear me out. Say something like "NO gifts are needed/expected this year. BUT, if you feel you must get something, here is a list of ideas" Then distribute? Maybe do that if you have kids and send out to the family? Sort of takes the idea out and might look like hinting at gifts, but I might find it helpful if I got one from my brothers and sisters for my nieces/nephews. Most likely, we will waste time and mental energy debating and wondering if some trinkets we get in Europe are good for individuals or not. I typically just say "whatever, your guess is as good as mine and it's a crap shoot" and just buy something that seems reasonable. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Kido Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by Kido In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! I usually find the gift thing stressful too. Especially with the niece and nephew as we don't live near them and I constantly have to check with my brother (who NEVER gets back to me) and my SIL about what they're into or what they want. Which is also a balancing act as I know my parents are doing the exact same thing and we don't want to double up on gifts. My parents are pretty crappy to buy for too, as whatever they either want or need they'll just get for themselves. Oh well, I guess it's about that time to send out the annual "what should I get so-and-so" for Xmas? Here's a thought. Would it be too presumptuous to do a list/registry? Hear me out. Say something like "NO gifts are needed/expected this year. BUT, if you feel you must get something, here is a list of ideas" Then distribute? Maybe do that if you have kids and send out to the family?
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Me and my wife will go in and get soemthing big for Christmas for the house. We do not really buy gifts for each other, it is mostly for the kids. I do not expect people to get my wife and I things for Christmas, getting things is not important to us. We are fortunate enough to be able to go out and get the things we want. |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() If I could give you the gift of the ability to properly use quotes, I would overnight it to you. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Kido If I could give you the gift of the ability to properly use quotes, I would overnight it to you.
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by jford2309 Originally posted by Kido If I could give you the gift of the ability to properly use quotes, I would overnight it to you.
Sorry you did not like my answer That was YOUR answer? I couldn't tell due to the poor use of quotes... |
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![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Kido Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by Kido In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! I usually find the gift thing stressful too. Especially with the niece and nephew as we don't live near them and I constantly have to check with my brother (who NEVER gets back to me) and my SIL about what they're into or what they want. Which is also a balancing act as I know my parents are doing the exact same thing and we don't want to double up on gifts. My parents are pretty crappy to buy for too, as whatever they either want or need they'll just get for themselves. Oh well, I guess it's about that time to send out the annual "what should I get so-and-so" for Xmas? Here's a thought. Would it be too presumptuous to do a list/registry? Hear me out. Say something like "NO gifts are needed/expected this year. BUT, if you feel you must get something, here is a list of ideas" Then distribute? Maybe do that if you have kids and send out to the family? Sort of takes the idea out and might look like hinting at gifts, but I might find it helpful if I got one from my brothers and sisters for my nieces/nephews. Most likely, we will waste time and mental energy debating and wondering if some trinkets we get in Europe are good for individuals or not. I typically just say "whatever, your guess is as good as mine and it's a crap shoot" and just buy something that seems reasonable. My friends do this for their twin boys (age 3). I think it's a great idea, since I'm terrible at knowing what's age appropriate and fun for kids. |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() In general is it safe to assume that airport locations of chains would be the few locations that are not on the list of "participating locations only" for coupons/discounts? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Kido In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! Hum. I'm not even sure I should ask. I won't ask. This is me not asking. I swear.
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I cheat and usually make a lot of my Christmas gifts for friends and family. We are "drinking family with a bicycling problem". So I make a lot of bicycle related gifts and then I buy from other local artists for small gifts. There is a great site that my family uses that they favorite certain items on ETSY.com and then I can see what they like. Makes it easier to get ideas for my grown daughters that still want me to weld things for them as gifts, but they also like some antique jewelry also.
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Brit Abroad Originally posted by Kido Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by Kido In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! I usually find the gift thing stressful too. Especially with the niece and nephew as we don't live near them and I constantly have to check with my brother (who NEVER gets back to me) and my SIL about what they're into or what they want. Which is also a balancing act as I know my parents are doing the exact same thing and we don't want to double up on gifts. My parents are pretty crappy to buy for too, as whatever they either want or need they'll just get for themselves. Oh well, I guess it's about that time to send out the annual "what should I get so-and-so" for Xmas? Here's a thought. Would it be too presumptuous to do a list/registry? Hear me out. Say something like "NO gifts are needed/expected this year. BUT, if you feel you must get something, here is a list of ideas" Then distribute? Maybe do that if you have kids and send out to the family? Sort of takes the idea out and might look like hinting at gifts, but I might find it helpful if I got one from my brothers and sisters for my nieces/nephews. Most likely, we will waste time and mental energy debating and wondering if some trinkets we get in Europe are good for individuals or not. I typically just say "whatever, your guess is as good as mine and it's a crap shoot" and just buy something that seems reasonable. My friends do this for their twin boys (age 3). I think it's a great idea, since I'm terrible at knowing what's age appropriate and fun for kids. Oooooh - I wish my brother & SIL would do this!! Maybe I should suggest it to them so that at least I have SOME idea as to what to get the kiddos. As far as the rest of the family goes, we tend to do a "Secret Santa" thing every year where you have one person to buy for other than the kids. Every year, we draw names and then inevitably that person's spouse is contacted to find out what the heck to get the person whose name was drawn. It can be hugely frrustrating, but at least this way everyone has something to open on Xmas morning. |
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Sensei ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by flip18436572 I cheat and usually make a lot of my Christmas gifts for friends and family. We are "drinking family with a bicycling problem". So I make a lot of bicycle related gifts and then I buy from other local artists for small gifts. There is a great site that my family uses that they favorite certain items on ETSY.com and then I can see what they like. Makes it easier to get ideas for my grown daughters that still want me to weld things for them as gifts, but they also like some antique jewelry also.
I would say art is a good gift now. We have everything we "need", so I always enjoy something nice to display rather than something we can use. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by Kido In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! Hum. I'm not even sure I should ask. I won't ask. This is me not asking. I swear. Yep, this is me not asking either... |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl Originally posted by KSH Originally posted by Kido In general, the whole gift giving thing is stressful. I keep getting asked what I want for my B-day and Christmas, which is stressful because I have to come up with something I actually WANT they won't judge me on. Can't ask mom for toys for the "dungeon". PLUS I need to know what their budget is. Can't asks mums and dads for a computrainer. Giving is just about as hard as well. I always feel elated when I actually find "the perfect gift" for someone since it's rare. It seems mostly guesswork most of the time. Sure they will appreciate it, but do they really LOVE it? The last real "win" with the parents was a keurig machine. The use it all the time and it's been several years since I got it. Recently, I just bought some games and a coat from Target and my wife gave me her Target card to get points. I got home and she said "happy birthday".... win for me! Hum. I'm not even sure I should ask. I won't ask. This is me not asking. I swear. Yep, this is me not asking either... ball gags are hard to come by around Christmas time.....ask now or you'll get another whip. |
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