Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?) (Page 43)

Doggie Derrieres!  Love it, great shot.

Question for those of you who run twice in a day--how long after the first run do you do the second one?  I have two on my training plan for tomorrow, but it doesn't say how long between.

Curious what plan this is that has running as the recovery activity, particularly the same day as the long run?

ETA: When I've run twice, it's normally separated by the work day.

Well, first of all would be to get an idea of the total water and total nutrition you might need to get through the event. Then look at the carrying and refilling options. When people have something like Infinite I get confused when they just say "bottles". Is the Infinite included in the two bottles or is that another? Meaning are you looking at 2 or 3 bottles, or is that number also the question? Start with the total for each you think you'll need, for each of the water and for the nutrition.

The comment about a buffet is more because some will load up with things like multiple sandwiches hanging all over and 5-6 water bottles. You're also not a pro or an age-grouper who is trying to really max out their performance. Just trying to have a good race. Pulling over to the side for the mixing is just fine. Or for anything you are not comfortable doing while in motion. More people should do that. Getting 2 feet on the ground again for a moment can do a lot for your psyche too in such a long event.

Start with two bottles.  One bottle should be disposable, the other your xlab torpedo.  Finish the first bottle before the bottle exchange.  Drop your empty, get a new bottle, put it in your cage.   I can't help you with the infinit specifically.

Q1: I know some people mix infinit in a strong solution to dilute it on course.  Could you get four bottles with in two 5 oz squirt bottles (like a Hammer Gel Flash or Fuel Belt one)?  

Q2: What are you wearing on the bike?  Bike jersey or tri top?  I'm asking because of pockets.

Dog butts!!  Looks like a cool trail.

My 2 cents on the fluids on the bike thing, based on my extremely limited experience:  I took throwaway bottles to 70.3 Syracuse, anticipating taking new bottles there and tossing what I brought.  Well the bottles they were giving were Gatorade and water in bottles like one would buy in a grocery store. My holder between my handlebars (a Chimp cage) only securely holds regular, standard-sized/width bike bottles, and by the number of fallen bottles I saw on the road, I wasn't counting on the Gatorade bottle staying in my downtube cage securely, either, so I stopped and a volunteer helped me fill both.  Yeah, I stopped, but it wasn't for long and I didn't litter/lose my hydration.

Sweet!  How fast do those pups go?  I can't imagine it being more than an amble, but they do have a fair amount of youthful energy...

Had a good race yesterday.  It was rainy and muddy and I finished 18/19 OA but I feel really good about my time and performance.  Even with several 1 min. walking intervals, my average pace was 9:26 mpm, which is good for me, and I had enough left to put in a good hard effort at the end.  Plus we had 4 water crossings, which were a blast!

Felt a lot better about this race than the last one, mostly because my knee is feeling better and wasn't the limiting factor it was last time.  I'm not sure if it's because I'm only running 1x/week right now or because I'm using a knee band thingie, but even so, I'll take it.  I'll try to do a RR this weekend.  I'm getting a little behind.

I'm also feeling more positive about the bike route for my tri.  Thanks again for all the encouragement!

Follow what Janyne is saying on the bottles and changing.

I don't know if "most" people actually do that though a lot likely will. A lot of people also don't use special needs. Remember that it's in the name, special. It's available, but you don't have to use it. Is there something special that you'll really need? Is the amount of nutrition or something becoming rather cumbersome (it shouldn't be, but it happens)?

Frozen bottles shouldn't be any heavier than unfrozen. Remember that ice floats.

I think that the most important thing is to have a plan.  The plan should be simple/uncomplicated.

My plan

• Swim (likely in wetsuit) in bra and tri shorts
• T1- Add bike jersey on bike (will be in 50s to start)
• Bike: Two EFS liquid shot bottles in jersey pockets, three Clif Shot Bloks (cut in half) in Bento, one serving EFS in each of two bottles
• One Shot Blok every 20 minutes. Fill BTA before aid station add 1/2 EFS, drop bottle, get new bottle at aid station. 
• Plan B - extra flask of EFS in special needs in case I drop one, extra gel taped under saddle (SN bag will contain extra tube, CO2, EFS)
• T2 - remove jersey, lube liberally, add tri top, run.
• Run - drink 1+ cup of fluid at each aid station and 1 Gu-type gel every 45 minutes starting at the first aid station.  Stick with this at least the first two laps. Add Coke sooner rather than later.  Consume what you can tolerate on the final lap.
• Finish with both arms up and a smile on my face. 

Nice going Mary!

Woo hoo!  Let's hear it for a feeling better knee!  Not to mention a happy pace and four fun water crossings :-)

I'm using SN as a safety valve.  If I drop something, etc. I don't plan to stop but I do plan to have an SN bag on the bike.

ETA: You may not get your SN bag back. Don't put anything in it that you are unwilling to lose.