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2013-01-16 4:53 PM
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marcag - 2013-01-16 2:59 PM
Asalzwed - 2013-01-16 12:37 PM

I use PRE for everything (which is why I am asking.) I see what you are saying about the day to day changes but isn't that just part of listening to your body and not chasing a number?

How do you pace your marathon race, time per mile or RPE ?

Do you not use a stopwatch/pace on the track ?

RPE in marathon.

RPE on track. Coach yells out times occasionally and I am in a group where we alternate leading (so some of them have watches.) I am usually pretty right on with my splits just with RPE. Especially once we have run at pace for a lap or so. 

And I think I am good at it because I do it a lot. I have a very firm grasp on exactly how hard I can push without going over the edge. 



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2013-01-16 5:08 PM
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heykev - 2013-01-16 12:41 PM Made it out this morning for a ride in the snow storm before going to work, 5AM. Pretty slick and cold but the mtb did good.  Roads were'nt plowed yet so it was interesting.  Went down the road about a half of mile and saw a truck rolled over.  A state cop was the so I just rolled up an the side of him to see if anyone was hurt.  Should have seen the look on his face. An old man in reflective gear, cycling in a snow storm. I think he thought he was dreaming. Luckily the individual was ok.

Glad the guy was okay...

Just curious...what was the worst conditions you have ridden in during your streak.  How far did you go, and after it was done...did you think it was worth it?

2013-01-16 5:47 PM
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Ok, new trainer ordered.  Why mess with the tried and tested.  Only other ones that tempted me were way more then I'd pay for a trainer at this point in my life.

 

Your estimated delivery date is:

Friday, January 18, 2013

 

2013-01-16 5:55 PM
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Such a tease!  Which one did you get?
2013-01-16 5:56 PM
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axteraa - 2013-01-16 4:55 PM Such a tease!  Which one did you get?

Kinetic by Kurt Road Machine Indoor Bicycle Trainer

Which of course means I need to do my power test yet again cause the power might actually be correct on this trainer



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2013-01-16 6:30 PM
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axteraa - 2013-01-16 1:59 PM 

The one thing that I found when I started seriously training with power was that RPE would sometimes lie to me.    I could be doing an interval at a particular power target and my body would be telling me I was going at a particular effort level.  As the interval progressed, if I only paid attention to how hard I thought I was going, my power would start to tail off.  Having that number to chase would force me to keep the intensity up (assuming I was actually capable of it on that day).  Now that I've been doing it for a while I can maintain power numbers better based on RPE.

When my wife started using her power meter last winter, after a couple of weeks she made the comment "I used to think I was working hard on the trainer - I was wrong"    This was in the middle of following Jorge's program and just continuing on with it but using power instead of RPE for the targets.

I think RPE is great but having specific numbers to chase with the power meter can allow you to get more in tune with everything.  It certainly did for me.

I found out a lot about my RPE with the PM. A big one was just how much I was increasing and spiking on the hills. Trying for say 500+ watts takes a little out of you.

I don't necessarily chase power, but use it to control the effort level. Power (and pace) are an output, so by making sure the output is at the right level I can be more sure that I'm working at the level I want. I can run so that the intervals seem the same by RPE across the board, but by using pace I can be more sure that I'm consistent and appropriate with it. I'll know right away if I'm going too hard and back it down. Later intervals might feel just as hard, but if the output (ie pace) isn't up high enough, then it's not working things the same as before. Or if I'm too slow and pick it up. Or if I can't do that, then call it since I'm not working what I wanted to target that well.



2013-01-16 6:31 PM
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bzgl40 - 2013-01-16 3:47 PM

Ok, new trainer ordered.  Why mess with the tried and tested.  Only other ones that tempted me were way more then I'd pay for a trainer at this point in my life.

 

Your estimated delivery date is:

Friday, January 18, 2013

 

 

Congrats! Although, rather you than me. I hate riding indoors but totally appreciate why you do it and that it can make you really strong on the bike!

2013-01-16 6:35 PM
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bzgl40 - 2013-01-16 3:56 PM

axteraa - 2013-01-16 4:55 PM Such a tease!  Which one did you get?

Kinetic by Kurt Road Machine Indoor Bicycle Trainer

Which of course means I need to do my power test yet again cause the power might actually be correct on this trainer

Congrats!   I've come to,,,, maybe not love them, sometimes like,,,   trainer sessions.  You can get a LOT done in one hour, and the 2 x 20/4 x 10/ 3 x 15 types of sets can make you crazy strong.

Just get hulu/netflix/hbogo etc to make the time go by a little more quickly.  There's also a ton of tris and bike racing available on youtube.  Nothing like doing intervals while watching a crit via a guy's mounted gopro camera.

2013-01-16 9:42 PM
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Fred D - 2013-01-16 5:18 PM http://youtu.be/OUs9MlmIGmsHey folks would anyone here be willing to give some advice on bike fit. My fit feels way off and I cannot seem to connect with David greenfield. Appreciate any input!

Fred, I said this to you elsewhere, but I'll repeat it here in case people want to discuss.  I think your seat might be a tad too far back.  It looks like you are reaching a bit, and the motion in the shoulders could be due to that.  Just thinking out loud...  I'd consider moving the seat forward (and then probably also up a little).

2013-01-16 10:50 PM
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bzgl40 - 2013-01-16 5:47 PM

Ok, new trainer ordered.  Why mess with the tried and tested.  Only other ones that tempted me were way more then I'd pay for a trainer at this point in my life.

 

Your estimated delivery date is:

Friday, January 18, 2013

 

Sweeeet!!!
2013-01-17 12:57 AM
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Experior - 2013-01-16 5:42 PM

Fred D - 2013-01-16 5:18 PM http://youtu.be/OUs9MlmIGmsHey folks would anyone here be willing to give some advice on bike fit. My fit feels way off and I cannot seem to connect with David greenfield. Appreciate any input!

Fred, I said this to you elsewhere, but I'll repeat it here in case people want to discuss.  I think your seat might be a tad too far back.  It looks like you are reaching a bit, and the motion in the shoulders could be due to that.  Just thinking out loud...  I'd consider moving the seat forward (and then probably also up a little).

Ok...I'm probably the last person that should be giving fit advice, but that is what struck me when watching.  Agree that if your seat goes forward, it will likely need to go up, and your bars might need to go up as well.



2013-01-17 7:24 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-14 7:55 AM
brigby1 - 2013-01-14 9:22 AM

I'm trying to get a better handle on when to hold onto a challenging pace and when to descend for swimming. Last night (Sunday) at Master's the main set had 2x200p, 4 x 100 desc, repeat the series 3 times. I ended up hitting the first 100 yds at 1:20 (1:30 send-off) which is blazing fast for me, only hitting that once before. So decided to just hold onto that as best I could. Ended up with all 12 of the 100's at 1:20-1:21 save for one at 1:19. I've been close once before, but it was on a 1:40 send-off  and I was well rested going in (Fri & Sat were challenging swims this time).

First off, congrats on the great times!

How would you describe your RPE for the 100s?

I've been in that situation plenty of times where you have a descending set and the first one is way faster than expected and I think I'm screwed.  Usually what I do in a situation like that is just go with it and see what happens and adjust as needed.  For example, for the first time through I would probably do the first 3 100s holding the 1:20s and if it wasn't gassing me too badly I would push the 4th and see what kind of time I could do with a really strong swim.  Maybe things go really well and you can pull off a 1:17/18.  The next time through I would aim to do the first one just a little bit slower, maybe 1:21/22 and descend the times down to what your fast one was, so 1:21/22, 1:20/21, 1:19/18, 1:17.  

Was pulling 38-39 sec for the 50 free intervals throughout Masters yesterday (IM night) without completely going at it, so the descending times are looking more possible than I thought the other day.

2013-01-17 7:29 AM
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Fred D - 2013-01-16 4:18 PM http://youtu.be/OUs9MlmIGmsHey folks would anyone here be willing to give some advice on bike fit. My fit feels way off and I cannot seem to connect with David greenfield. Appreciate any input!

The video is taken from a bit of a funny angle and we can't completely see where your foot goes, but would also vote that you seem too far back.

How far is the tip of the saddle behind the BB ? I actually think you should go seat forward, very slightly up, front end a bit down. Just something to try

2013-01-17 7:50 AM
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brigby1 - 2013-01-17 9:24 AM
axteraa - 2013-01-14 7:55 AM
brigby1 - 2013-01-14 9:22 AM

I'm trying to get a better handle on when to hold onto a challenging pace and when to descend for swimming. Last night (Sunday) at Master's the main set had 2x200p, 4 x 100 desc, repeat the series 3 times. I ended up hitting the first 100 yds at 1:20 (1:30 send-off) which is blazing fast for me, only hitting that once before. So decided to just hold onto that as best I could. Ended up with all 12 of the 100's at 1:20-1:21 save for one at 1:19. I've been close once before, but it was on a 1:40 send-off  and I was well rested going in (Fri & Sat were challenging swims this time).

First off, congrats on the great times!

How would you describe your RPE for the 100s?

I've been in that situation plenty of times where you have a descending set and the first one is way faster than expected and I think I'm screwed.  Usually what I do in a situation like that is just go with it and see what happens and adjust as needed.  For example, for the first time through I would probably do the first 3 100s holding the 1:20s and if it wasn't gassing me too badly I would push the 4th and see what kind of time I could do with a really strong swim.  Maybe things go really well and you can pull off a 1:17/18.  The next time through I would aim to do the first one just a little bit slower, maybe 1:21/22 and descend the times down to what your fast one was, so 1:21/22, 1:20/21, 1:19/18, 1:17.  

Was pulling 38-39 sec for the 50 free intervals throughout Masters yesterday (IM night) without completely going at it, so the descending times are looking more possible than I thought the other day.

Yup, sounds like you are ready to push the limits a bit on a set to see what you can really do.  Nice work!

2013-01-17 7:54 AM
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Question for the group.  Got in for a massage on Tuesday evening, and she spent 45min working on my ITB.  I won't really know if it was successful until I try out some longer runs, but I'm hoping this was the magic cure since it's worked in the past.

But - I ran last night and immediately had very tight calves, right in the area of the Soleus.  Last summer I ran all summer without IT issues, but had tight calves the whole season.  So it seems to me that the two are connected.  I'm just hoping someone might have a suggestion as to how I deal with this, or avoid it.

Seems if one thing is not off, then something else is instead. 

2013-01-17 7:55 AM
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On the trainer this morning and I proved that swimmers are unable to count past 3.  I was supposed to do a set of 4 x 5 mins with 2 mins recovery.  Somehow, despite checking the time/math after the second one, I managed to do 5 instead of 4.  Undecided

Oh well, at least it went much better than Tuesday's attempt.

I've also got an easy 40 min run scheduled for today.  What does everyone have on tap?



2013-01-17 8:02 AM
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GoFaster - 2013-01-17 7:54 AM

Question for the group.  Got in for a massage on Tuesday evening, and she spent 45min working on my ITB.  I won't really know if it was successful until I try out some longer runs, but I'm hoping this was the magic cure since it's worked in the past.

But - I ran last night and immediately had very tight calves, right in the area of the Soleus.  Last summer I ran all summer without IT issues, but had tight calves the whole season.  So it seems to me that the two are connected.  I'm just hoping someone might have a suggestion as to how I deal with this, or avoid it.

Seems if one thing is not off, then something else is instead. 

I really don't know what to answer except that in my case, the whole leg, from butt to toes is one big piece of tight muscle/ligament and it seems that where it "pops" on a given month is random. It's just the whole thing that's too tight.I also know that the chance if it "popping" increases as my weekly mileage increases. When I get over 70km a week and I feel I am in a danger zone.

I struggle with Achilles and recently hurt the Soleus. I found massage does nothing for it.

Shorter, frequent runs help, stretching after runs help and heel drops help me the most. When I see I am getting really tight, 10 min stretching and 10min heel drops fixes it.

2013-01-17 8:21 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-17 6:55 AM

On the trainer this morning and I proved that swimmers are unable to count past 3.  I was supposed to do a set of 4 x 5 mins with 2 mins recovery.  Somehow, despite checking the time/math after the second one, I managed to do 5 instead of 4.  Undecided

Oh well, at least it went much better than Tuesday's attempt.

I've also got an easy 40 min run scheduled for today.  What does everyone have on tap?

Ha, I've done that, usually in running intervals.  So not just swimmers have a counting problem

Short bike ride done already (gasp, twice this week) and 6 miles at marathon effort later today. 

2013-01-17 8:23 AM
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axteraa - 2013-01-17 8:55 AM

On the trainer this morning and I proved that swimmers are unable to count past 3.  I was supposed to do a set of 4 x 5 mins with 2 mins recovery.  Somehow, despite checking the time/math after the second one, I managed to do 5 instead of 4.  Undecided

Oh well, at least it went much better than Tuesday's attempt.

I've also got an easy 40 min run scheduled for today.  What does everyone have on tap?

You weren't working hard enough. Wink

2013-01-17 8:25 AM
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Did a 45 minute OWS in Naples yesterday. 70 degree water is not cold! I think this may be a destination race next year. They just had a HITS tri weekend here I should have planned better. It was a late afternoon swim so caught some tide but felt strong the whole way, gets a little salty after a while but everyone likes a little Salty once & a while right Adrienne!Hoping to run this afternoonHope everyone has a good training day!
2013-01-17 8:33 AM
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Well, I got some bad news yesterday that may impact my tri season before it even starts I had my semi annual trip to the dermatologist 2 weeks ago, they cut off a mole to send in for testing and it came back as atypical pre-melanoma. It's on the side of my foot on a bony part so they can't just go in and easily cut more off (I had a similar mole removed from my arm 2 years ago which required surgery and 16 stitches). I have an appt with the surgeon on the 28th, I have a feeling that it will be a bigger deal because of the location. Darn fair skin and freckles!  


2013-01-17 8:34 AM
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Masters swim this morning. Had planned a short treadmill run afterwards, but decided to run outside later since it's going to warm up today. 

For the last couple weeks I've been working on cleaning up the diet. I have a sweet tooth and a tendency to sugar binge. For two weeks I've had no candy, ice-cream whatever. No other major change. Pretty embarrassed to say that after just that change I dropped 3+ lbs. I wasn't looking for weight-loss but will take it. Mostly, I have to admit I feel better without the junk. 

Now the challenge is to see how to allow myself the occasional treat without going overboard. Any suggestions welcome. 

2013-01-17 8:35 AM
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riorio - 2013-01-17 7:33 AM Well, I got some bad news yesterday that may impact my tri season before it even starts I had my semi annual trip to the dermatologist 2 weeks ago, they cut off a mole to send in for testing and it came back as atypical pre-melanoma. It's on the side of my foot on a bony part so they can't just go in and easily cut more off (I had a similar mole removed from my arm 2 years ago which required surgery and 16 stitches). I have an appt with the surgeon on the 28th, I have a feeling that it will be a bigger deal because of the location. Darn fair skin and freckles!  

That totally sucks.  So glad you got it early though.  Living in AZ I really should be going to a dermatologist as well but I've only gone once

2013-01-17 8:36 AM
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riorio - 2013-01-17 10:33 AM Well, I got some bad news yesterday that may impact my tri season before it even starts I had my semi annual trip to the dermatologist 2 weeks ago, they cut off a mole to send in for testing and it came back as atypical pre-melanoma. It's on the side of my foot on a bony part so they can't just go in and easily cut more off (I had a similar mole removed from my arm 2 years ago which required surgery and 16 stitches). I have an appt with the surgeon on the 28th, I have a feeling that it will be a bigger deal because of the location. Darn fair skin and freckles!  

Oh, that sucks Sally but it's good that they found it early!  Hopefully it won't have too big of an impact on you.

2013-01-17 8:38 AM
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kcarroll - 2013-01-17 10:23 AM
axteraa - 2013-01-17 8:55 AM

On the trainer this morning and I proved that swimmers are unable to count past 3.  I was supposed to do a set of 4 x 5 mins with 2 mins recovery.  Somehow, despite checking the time/math after the second one, I managed to do 5 instead of 4.  Undecided

Oh well, at least it went much better than Tuesday's attempt.

I've also got an easy 40 min run scheduled for today.  What does everyone have on tap?

You weren't working hard enough. Wink

Well actually, it means the 10 minute interval later in the workout just sucked more!

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