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2008-12-18 11:51 AM
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Oh I agree on the soda studies. Its purely crutch. and I LOVE fizz.  I hate drinking from a can or bottle, I have a fountain soda fetish.

any  ideas where I can get the fizz minus the soda?

I can get the caffeine from tea, no problem.



2008-12-18 11:54 AM
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jldicarlo - 2008-12-18 9:46 AM I don't have anyone that can take a picture for me.  Can I use my IMAZ photos even though I've gained some weight since then?  It was only a month ago....

We aren't setting rules for pics, are we?   Congrats on IMAZ!! (I'm doing that race in 09 and volunteered this year)  Post IMAZ pics or you can use a cell phone and a mirror.  (I've been focusing on my abs in the off season)

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2008-12-18 11:55 AM
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Thank goodness this challenge doesn't start until Monday, as the bakery next to my office called my name over lunch.  I wasn't even hungry or yearning for sugar; I just pulled into my parking lot and smelled the bakery.  The smell drew me in!  Yes, I'm blaming the smell.
2008-12-18 12:45 PM
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phillybarb - 2008-12-18 9:55 AM Thank goodness this challenge doesn't start until Monday, as the bakery next to my office called my name over lunch.  I wasn't even hungry or yearning for sugar; I just pulled into my parking lot and smelled the bakery.  The smell drew me in!  Yes, I'm blaming the smell.

I posted this in my blog a while ago, so I will own up to it and maybe it will help someone else avoid fresh-baked goodies.  There is a Starbucks in my office building and whenever I go there, I look at the all of the baked goods.  I came up with a way to deter myself, kinda gross (I'm warning you) but usually works.

I look at the bakery case and think of everything in it covered in chicken fat!  I know, very gross, but usually does the trick.  I'm using this technique in my office kitchen today....someone brought in homemade biscotti!

2008-12-18 1:11 PM
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Oh, what have I done!!!! I totally forgot about my beloved Starbucks 4 pump Peppermint Americana Misto....That is going to be the hardest to give up....I must go get one now while I can!!!
2008-12-18 2:39 PM
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shelly123 - 2008-12-17 3:01 PM

Hey guys, not sure if you have seen these:

http://www.waldenfarms.com/

Dressings that are calorie free, sugar free and supposedly all natural.

I used these all the time when I ate clean before. A few are really awesome.

I have found them at a few of the local supermarkets, in the refrigerated dressing section.

Thanks!  I'll have to see if I can find them.



2008-12-18 2:43 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 10:49 AM

  Cancer thrives in an acidic evnironment and soda is acidic.


Dude...what?  Where did you get that info?  I have never heard that statement before. 

(FWIW, I'm a PhD student in genetics and go to lots of cancer seminars)

2008-12-18 2:49 PM
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I would say that your abs focus is paying off.  Very creative with the phone and the mirror.
2008-12-18 2:58 PM
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jldicarlo - 2008-12-18 12:46 PM I don't have anyone that can take a picture for me.  Can I use my IMAZ photos even though I've gained some weight since then?  It was only a month ago....

Sure.  Pics are NOT a requirement.  It's just extra motivation for me, personally.  Hopefully I'll be smiling in the after pics   Mind you it was 11PM when I took those pics so I was wiiiped out.

2008-12-18 2:59 PM
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DeputyDawg - 2008-12-18 12:11 PM Oh, what have I done!!!! I totally forgot about my beloved Starbucks 4 pump Peppermint Americana Misto....That is going to be the hardest to give up....I must go get one now while I can!!!

This is going to hurt me too.  Not the same drink...but I :heart: Sbux.

2008-12-18 3:12 PM
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Artemis - 2008-12-18 3:43 PM
Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 10:49 AM

  Cancer thrives in an acidic evnironment and soda is acidic.


Dude...what?  Where did you get that info?  I have never heard that statement before. 

(FWIW, I'm a PhD student in genetics and go to lots of cancer seminars)

Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize when he showed that cancer absolutely thrives in 
anaerobic (lacking oxygen) or acidic conditions.  The key, single cause for
cancer in humans is the acidic composition of the human organism.  Cancer cannot live in an alkaline (opposite of acidic) environment.  Soda is acid; so yes I do drink it - but maybe four or five glasses a month.

I read waaay too much

On another note -- I'm almost through my first no sugar diet day!!  If you make your coffee a touch stronger than normal, it actually taste good black.   I'm starting the diet now so I can stay a step ahead and help anyway out in the first few weeks - seeing as they will be four or five days behind me, I can tell you what to expect.  And, if I screw up from now till Sunday night it won't count as a ding

And oh my God - 75% of everything with an ingredient label has high fructose corn syrup in it!!  High fructose corn syrup is also really bad for us, as it's processed sugar and it SHOCKS our system everytime we take it ... there's a link between it and autism and a slew of other diseases that are more prevelant today than ever, but that's a whole nother ball of wax.  I'm going to remove it all from my household slowly.  I bet it will help with my son's hyperactivity.  I think because it's sugar, the FDA thinks it's okay to have such large amounts of it in all our foods ... but imagine if we had large amounts of iron, protein or something else in our foods.  Sugar is just the same in the sense that in large doses it is very bad for us, and that's just what high fructose corn syrup is - large doses of processed sugar that our bofy does not know how to break down properly and therefore efficiently, so it just turns it into fat.  Enough ranting ...

 



2008-12-18 3:17 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 4:12 PM
Artemis - 2008-12-18 3:43 PM
Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 10:49 AM

Cancer thrives in an acidic evnironment and soda is acidic.


Dude...what?  Where did you get that info?  I have never heard that statement before. 

(FWIW, I'm a PhD student in genetics and go to lots of cancer seminars)

Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize when he showed that cancer absolutely thrives in 
anaerobic (lacking oxygen) or acidic conditions.  The key, single cause for
cancer in humans is the acidic composition of the human organism.  Cancer cannot live in an alkaline (opposite of acidic) environment.  Soda is acid; so yes I do drink it - but maybe four or five glasses a month.

I read waaay too much

Wow...back up.  First of all, your body is almost never anaerobic.  We breathe oxygen.  It can be hypoxic, which is low oxygen conditions and that can change the pH of your blood.  It's not the same as the effect of drinking something acidic.  That gets processed by your stomach and doesn't really change the pH of your blood. 

I can get into more details, but you are over simplifying the situation.  It could affect the stomach and cause ulcers and GERD and stomach cancer, but NOT generalized cancer.

2008-12-18 3:28 PM
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I'm really considering doing this, but I start getting the shakes when I think of no Diet Coke and no ice cream.  For ice cream I almost exclusively eat the Weight Watchers brand or the Dreyers Slow Churned.  I haven't checked the ingredient list yet, but since I am pretty sure Neanderthal man didn't eat either, I have a feeling that I will have to eliminate both for nine weeks.  Not sure I can. 
2008-12-18 3:29 PM
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Artemis - 2008-12-18 4:17 PM
Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 4:12 PM
Artemis - 2008-12-18 3:43 PM
Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 10:49 AM

Cancer thrives in an acidic evnironment and soda is acidic.


Dude...what?  Where did you get that info?  I have never heard that statement before. 

(FWIW, I'm a PhD student in genetics and go to lots of cancer seminars)

Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize when he showed that cancer absolutely thrives in 
anaerobic (lacking oxygen) or acidic conditions.  The key, single cause for
cancer in humans is the acidic composition of the human organism.  Cancer cannot live in an alkaline (opposite of acidic) environment.  Soda is acid; so yes I do drink it - but maybe four or five glasses a month.

I read waaay too much

Wow...back up.  First of all, your body is almost never anaerobic.  We breathe oxygen.  It can be hypoxic, which is low oxygen conditions and that can change the pH of your blood.  It's not the same as the effect of drinking something acidic.  That gets processed by your stomach and doesn't really change the pH of your blood. 

I can get into more details, but you are over simplifying the situation.  It could affect the stomach and cause ulcers and GERD and stomach cancer, but NOT generalized cancer.

Don't argue with me, argue with this guy.  And he's a Nobel Prize winner    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Heinrich_Warburg   Specifically read his Cancer Hypothesis. 

If you put acid into your body for several weeks it will become more acidic... if you suck on alkaline tums everyday for years your body PH will change and rise and you will become more alkaline.  I know someone who does it.  The generally accepted medical consenus is that disease begins in an acidic environment.   Now stop arguing and let's focus on the diet



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2008-12-18 3:29 PM
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gatjr33 - 2008-12-18 12:49 PM I would say that your abs focus is paying off.  Very creative with the phone and the mirror.

Thank you, it is a constant work in progress. 

2008-12-18 3:31 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 4:29 PM
Artemis - 2008-12-18 4:17 PM
Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 4:12 PM
Artemis - 2008-12-18 3:43 PM
Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 10:49 AM

Cancer thrives in an acidic evnironment and soda is acidic.


Dude...what?  Where did you get that info?  I have never heard that statement before. 

(FWIW, I'm a PhD student in genetics and go to lots of cancer seminars)

Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize when he showed that cancer absolutely thrives in 
anaerobic (lacking oxygen) or acidic conditions.  The key, single cause for
cancer in humans is the acidic composition of the human organism.  Cancer cannot live in an alkaline (opposite of acidic) environment.  Soda is acid; so yes I do drink it - but maybe four or five glasses a month.

I read waaay too much

Wow...back up.  First of all, your body is almost never anaerobic.  We breathe oxygen.  It can be hypoxic, which is low oxygen conditions and that can change the pH of your blood.  It's not the same as the effect of drinking something acidic.  That gets processed by your stomach and doesn't really change the pH of your blood. 

I can get into more details, but you are over simplifying the situation.  It could affect the stomach and cause ulcers and GERD and stomach cancer, but NOT generalized cancer.

Don't argue with me, argue with this guy.  And he's a Nobel Prize winner    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Heinrich_Warburg   Specifically read his Cancer Hypothesis. 

If you put acid into your body for several weeks it will become more acidic... if you suck on alkaline tums everyday for years your body PH will change and rise and you will become more alkaline.  I know someone who does it.  It is medically accepted that disease begins in an acidic environment.   Now stop arguing and let's focus on the diet

I have read it!  I've learned about it in class and read lots of papers after.  See the info I've added in the post above.  I can send you a good review on the Warburg effect that talks about how no one knows for sure that it is a cause.

Plus, we have a lot more research available on the genetic causes of cancer and what changes in the cell cause changes in the genes that are expressed.  This is what I do for a living.



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2008-12-18 3:32 PM
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LeahDD - 2008-12-18 4:28 PM I'm really considering doing this, but I start getting the shakes when I think of no Diet Coke and no ice cream.  For ice cream I almost exclusively eat the Weight Watchers brand or the Dreyers Slow Churned.  I haven't checked the ingredient list yet, but since I am pretty sure Neanderthal man didn't eat either, I have a feeling that I will have to eliminate both for nine weeks.  Not sure I can. 

I have a sweet tooth and have these 50 calories ice cream bars covered in chocolate that I will have to give up.

Why not try...all it can do is help you reach a new better place.

Hope you join!

2008-12-18 3:33 PM
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Part of my post got cut off.  Suffice to say, I've read the papers and I know tons of research on hypoxia, acidity, and cancer.  It is NOT as simple as drinking diet soda makes your blood acidic and that causes cancer.  No one has shown that to be a direct cause or even that an acidic environment directly causes cancer.  It CAN cause cancer, but so can a ton of other things. 

I really hate to see generalizations and over-simplifications that are not inclusive of available research.  I do appreciate citations and references if you'd like to send me some.

2008-12-18 3:41 PM
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LeahDD - 2008-12-18 4:28 PM I'm really considering doing this, but I start getting the shakes when I think of no Diet Coke and no ice cream.  For ice cream I almost exclusively eat the Weight Watchers brand or the Dreyers Slow Churned.  I haven't checked the ingredient list yet, but since I am pretty sure Neanderthal man didn't eat either, I have a feeling that I will have to eliminate both for nine weeks.  Not sure I can. 

You can't cause you just said the word: can't.  Of course you c-a-n.  If you choose to.  What's 9 weeks compared to the rest of your life?  An atom of hydrogen in a water molecule, inside the drop of water inside the bucket!   Come on... I'm sure you can find a suitable alternative?  Be creative?  Remember life before ice cream...  errrr neither do I.  But I'm gonna find out.  Get outside your comfort zone and dare to be daring ... you can do it.



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2008-12-18 3:50 PM
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Artemis - 2008-12-18 4:33 PM

Part of my post got cut off.  Suffice to say, I've read the papers and I know tons of research on hypoxia, acidity, and cancer.  It is NOT as simple as drinking diet soda makes your blood acidic and that causes cancer.  No one has shown that to be a direct cause or even that an acidic environment directly causes cancer.  It CAN cause cancer, but so can a ton of other things. 

I really hate to see generalizations and over-simplifications that are not inclusive of available research.  I do appreciate citations and references if you'd like to send me some.

Blowing cigarette smoke over human tissue cannot change the tissue, either    

We are what we eat. Yes?

Two sodas will not change your body chemistry.  Two puffs of a cigarette won't either.  It takes years and years ...just like it takes years and years for the scientific community to 100% prove something and declare it a medical fact.  Regardless, none of this is going to help us with this diet.  Let's focus on the diet    

2008-12-18 3:52 PM
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Last year I was very strict with no sugar/no processed foods for a few months and I found that after a while the cravings go away.  I think it also changed my sense of taste.  For example, I was chewing a piece of sugar-free gum and it just tasted like chemicals to me and I spit it out.  I won't be chewing gum this time around!


2008-12-18 5:11 PM
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Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 4:12 PM
Artemis - 2008-12-18 3:43 PM
Dream Chaser - 2008-12-18 10:49 AM

  Cancer thrives in an acidic evnironment and soda is acidic.


Dude...what?  Where did you get that info?  I have never heard that statement before. 

(FWIW, I'm a PhD student in genetics and go to lots of cancer seminars)

Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize when he showed that cancer absolutely thrives in 
anaerobic (lacking oxygen) or acidic conditions.  The key, single cause for
cancer in humans is the acidic composition of the human organism.  Cancer cannot live in an alkaline (opposite of acidic) environment.  Soda is acid; so yes I do drink it - but maybe four or five glasses a month.

I read waaay too much

On another note -- I'm almost through my first no sugar diet day!!  If you make your coffee a touch stronger than normal, it actually taste good black.   I'm starting the diet now so I can stay a step ahead and help anyway out in the first few weeks - seeing as they will be four or five days behind me, I can tell you what to expect.  And, if I screw up from now till Sunday night it won't count as a ding

And oh my God - 75% of everything with an ingredient label has high fructose corn syrup in it!!  High fructose corn syrup is also really bad for us, as it's processed sugar and it SHOCKS our system everytime we take it ... there's a link between it and autism and a slew of other diseases that are more prevelant today than ever, but that's a whole nother ball of wax.  I'm going to remove it all from my household slowly.  I bet it will help with my son's hyperactivity.  I think because it's sugar, the FDA thinks it's okay to have such large amounts of it in all our foods ... but imagine if we had large amounts of iron, protein or something else in our foods.  Sugar is just the same in the sense that in large doses it is very bad for us, and that's just what high fructose corn syrup is - large doses of processed sugar that our bofy does not know how to break down properly and therefore efficiently, so it just turns it into fat.  Enough ranting ...

 

I started watching for the high fructose corn syrup over the summer.  I couldn't believe that whole wheat bread was full of it; I had to change brands to a more expensive one of course, just to not eat the HFCS.  HFCS is in everything these days.  I started spending lots of time in the grocery store perusing food labels, so that I didn't bring the bad stuff into my apartment.

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AbbieR - 2008-12-18 4:52 PM Last year I was very strict with no sugar/no processed foods for a few months and I found that after a while the cravings go away.  I think it also changed my sense of taste.  For example, I was chewing a piece of sugar-free gum and it just tasted like chemicals to me and I spit it out.  I won't be chewing gum this time around!

I just hope I can make it to the point where the cravings go away.  In the past month, at my longest, I lasted 5 days.  On day 5, I had a headache, was irritable, and couldn't focus/felt off.  I swear it was withdrawal.  I am really hoping the support of this group can help me get past that point.

2008-12-18 8:48 PM
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AbbieR - 2008-12-18 4:52 PM Last year I was very strict with no sugar/no processed foods for a few months and I found that after a while the cravings go away.  I think it also changed my sense of taste.  For example, I was chewing a piece of sugar-free gum and it just tasted like chemicals to me and I spit it out.  I won't be chewing gum this time around!

I just hope I can make it to the point where the cravings go away.  In the past month, at my longest, I lasted 5 days.  On day 5, I had a headache, was irritable, and couldn't focus/felt off.  I swear it was withdrawal.  I am really hoping the support of this group can help me get past that point.

WE ARE HERE FOR YOU And I've said before, you can have lots and lots of natural sugars!

2008-12-19 7:37 AM
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I have a question.  I was thinking that the sweets/sugars meant only for snacks, as I was reading people's questions, b/c we could eat what we would normally eat as a meal.  Like peanut butter on bread.

So question, we aren't really watching fat with our meals?  I'm trying now to think of meals. Today, for example, I did want to treat myself since its the last day of school and I'm on survival mode in terms of work. I had my favorite panera egg and cheese sandwich.  Now I"m totally confused as to whats allowed for meals or not!

What kinds of meal suggestions do you guys have for B, L, and D?

I"m usually a bagel and light cream cheese breakfast girl, something easy to grab and go, should I just have a hard boiled egg?

Please help!

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