More Manatee Mayhem - 2017 Edition - Closed (Page 50)

I use those too. and x3 on the biopsy!!!

I've decided to be optimistic about my ability to actually start training for IM Lou (in a month) and started looking at the training plan i decided to use.  I'm not a big fan of training by time and this plan does that, so, those of you who have trained for HIM or IM distances, how do you train: time or distance?  If time, why? If you have or had a coach whose plan call by training by time, did he or she give an explanation for why?  

I look more at time, but am still aware of distance. I've also been aware of about how fast I might go over that distance, maybe needing to adjust some.

When looking at the stress incurred, it's due to how long you went for not how far you went as that's what you're body understands. When riding, centuries are a fairly regular occurrence. More locally I can finish up the distance an hour faster than some rather hilly ones up in Wisconsin. Those took a lot longer and when the intensity ends up similar, the amount of stress incurred will be greater. A friend of mine rode 75 miles point to point once to meet up with his family. Of course there was a headwind, so he was out there for longer than than normal for that distance. I'll do some riding on the (slower) mountain bike using the pathway system. A favorite ride of ~57 miles would take maybe 3:45-4 hrs to finish there. I'll clear 70 in that on my tri bike, maybe 80.

I chose the bike for examples as that's usually the easiest to see. There is even a formula for it. The Training Stress Score in Training Peaks. It can be approximated with HR there, but power is still most accurate. TSS=Intensity^2 x Duration x 100

Thanks! After I posted i found this post by Joel Friel that pretty much says the same thing as you!  http://www.joefrielsblog.com/2015/02/train-for-duration-or-distance.html

It makes sense, it's just hard to get rid of my distance mentality!

I sent out the CBS Bracket Challenge this morning.  It went to all of the folks who played last year (plus Kevin and my mom).  If you would like to be added or have any friends/family added, just let me know,  Remember that the brackets will lock before the first game starts on Thursday.

I left the rules as the default:

• This is set up as "Add Seed - The seed of the winning team is added to the correct pick total."
• The maximum number of brackets per player is two.

Feel free to invite friends and family to the group.

If you have an opinion about using a multiply seed bonus (rather than the default add seed), please speak up,  The same goes for the maximum number of brackets per player.  If you want to submit more than two brackets, let me know.

P.S.  This is for the NCAA men's basketball tournament.  If you don't know what that ism, please ignore!

When I was working with Maija, most of the runs were by time.  Her thought on that was two-fold.  After a certain amount of time, there are diminishing returns and sometimes rides are flat with no wind and sometimes they are up the side of a mountain.  30 miles of flat is not the same as 30 miles on the Blue Ridge Parkway and that was her way of leveling things out.

For running, I couldn't even tell you because if a plan says time, I just translate that to how far to I need to run.

Regarding plans, I think the Be Iron Fit ones tend to be pretty popular.  I'm sure that you can get them into Training Peaks as a starting point and you an Susan can adjust from there.

I hear you on the how fast/slow thing.  It's easy for me to beat myself up on a ride or run when I am worrying about that.  It can kinda suck all the joy out of training.  That being said, I need to figure out something about How Far in order to select and appropriate route.

What is happening to this group?  We are discussing tri training!

Quick, someone post something about Pop-Tarts!

I think for march madness the less you know about college basketball the better!  

Thanks for all the replies on this! I think I will try to follow the plan and go by time with the intensity indicated for each workout and see how that translates!  However, at least at first I know that i will not be able to do intense workouts as i either will still be recovering from my tendon injury or trying not to re-injure it!

Regarding the plan, I've decided to use one by Gale Bernhardt.  I used Be Iron Fit for my first HIM (just stopped before I got to IM distance!) and liked it, but I think i like Gale's plan better.  And, as you suggested, I'm counting on Susan adjusting for my limiters as needed.  

We'll see how things go!

pop tarts are yucky!!

Wondering how I'll be handling this too. I'm not nearly as fast as a few years ago, but it's still realistic to get back to that for now. So not quite the same thing. It's still fun being out there now, but have to see as the hope gradually fades away.

That is a good point in checking that the plan matches up with ability and goals. A good plan for some would be terrible for others.

Be careful with the need to go race distance, or even duration. It's not necessarily a bad thing in itself, but how one goes about it can cause some issues. Fitness should be built up to where that big of a workout makes sense. That's not going to be the case for everyone, not in the middle of a (relatively) solid block of training. The expenditure may be great enough that subsequent workouts become compromised. Not to say one gets hurt, just the fatigue is sufficient that it becomes more getting out of the hole instead of making gains.

Also know that plans can be more to just be out there for a long time. They don't necessarily match the race duration. This will become even more true with the longer races. 12, 13, 14, 15 hours is all just a really long time being up and active.

Gale's plans are in TP as well. ;-)

They are?  I thought I looked for them, but maybe not!

I have nothing to add on the training info OR bracketing of any kind. So, Ill just add that Pop Tarts (for me) are only edible warm with a schmear of PB. (any kind).

You can buy them and it will load.  I think that you can rearrange from there.  https://www.trainingpeaks.com/training-plans/triathlon/ironman

There are some other explanations above on how it does make more sense. What you just did in this is show how to make the workouts more the same for varying ability. Some do have an easy pace (as found by VDOT or other method) of about 12'/mi where some of the fastest elites can actually have an e-pace breaking 6'/mi. The one hour run incurs about the same amount of stress whereas going by distance would give the slower runner twice that of the faster one.

This also shows up in the faster running. Over on ST awhile ago, there was a discussion on what Ben True does. One thing was a solid effort tempo that goes for 8-9 miles. This sounds really long for a tempo, but then his threshold pace is better than 5:00/mi. That means it's taking him about 40' to run this. This is on the longer side for a tempo, but much more normal to see. Most people can't come close to this. And can't keep up that intensity for that distance. It's physically impossible for them. They can run that intense for 40', however, which would be replicating that workout as appropriate to their ability because both the intensity and duration would be more the same.

Happy birthday, Melanie!!!