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 2014-09-04 3:07 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
Master  6834      Englewood, Florida |  Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?)Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by jmkizer OK, this is something that's been bugging me for the past week. When is it OK for a church or other organization to demand a course change to an event? Background: Earlier this year was the inaugural Rock n Roll Raleigh. The event has a 5 year contract and an approved course. The event was a Sunday event and it happened to fall on Palm Sunday. The churches downtown were pretty bent out of shape about it. The course was modified some for the 2014 event and will be modified a bit more for 2015. The sponsor is the Raleigh Chamber of Commerce and part of the point was to get people downtown. Fast forward to the inaugural Ironman Chattanooga. The event had an approved course with permits and all that jazz. One month before the event someone got bent out of shape about it and the bike course was modified to be 116 miles instead of 112. My suspicion, which is probably biased by the RnR Raleigh on Palm Sunday situation, is that the “big Baptist Church” complained and forced the course change. Someone who did some recon posted the following: “... the left turn on Old Chattanooga Valley Road would be VERY hairy, plus all the colliding traffic from the big Baptist church, whose services are smack in the middle of 5,000 streaming cyclists (2,500 x 2 laps) are prescriptions for disaster IMHO."
To answer your question directly, I would have to say "Never". Demand is a strong word, especially for a church. I can only tell you that our church would welcome the opportunity to have 2500 racers + family and friends in the vicinity of our property. Then again the church council president races these types of things, so we'd be biased. IMHO, I can see changing the course for the safety of all involved. But, all of this ought to have been squared away when the permiting and such was originally put into action. I mean, who plans a 2500 person race passing a "big" church parking lot on a sunday morning? I'd love to see the contracts, permits and other documentation that went into the entire process, if only to get a good idea of the cluster that goes into this sort of thing. I can only imagine the bureaucratic BS that had to happen to get this type of thing changed. In the case of Chattanooga, I suspect that a lot of the issue is that most of the bike course is in Georgia. I have no idea why most Ironman races are on Sunday. It's not like most people finish the race and go to work the next day. Anyway, whoever did it, revoking the permits at the last minute was not cool. I suspect that they don't understand that people what they were asking. What's another 4 miles? That's like 5% more, right? (and how long is the marathon that you are running anyway? yes, people actually ask.) In the case of Raleigh, I don't know who was thinking what. RnR events are also mostly on Sunday. Raleigh asked for the date and wanted to promote downtown. I even think that Raleigh helped set the route. Some churches were very supportive and had priests/ministers waving to the runners and others were kinda nasty in the local media. Edited to cross out the part that doesn't make sense. Imagine the TT tattoo thread this will cause She already has the sticker for it in her blog. Check out last week. |
| 2014-09-04 3:16 PM in reply to: cdban66 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by jmkizer Imagine the TT tattoo thread this will cause She already has the sticker for it in her blog. Check out last week. Ha! That's awesome!! |
| 2014-09-04 3:46 PM in reply to: 0 |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by rrrunner Well darn. Here I was starting to plan CO races Looks like I'll be staying put between Erin and all of the Texas Manatees.  hmmm...Maybe the TX and AZ manatees will have to do a motorcycle meetup in NM. Wonder if they make bike racks for motorcycles? :D Hey now, I'm in CO so you can still come up this way! I'm on the Front Range, not the Western Slope, though, so that makes the trip a little farther unless I meet you in the middle. Or I could maybe come to a TX/NM/AZ meet-up. I'm also planning to do that Zion HM in March if you want to join me... And they do make bike racks for motorcycles. Funny you should mention that; TJ and I were just talking about it this past weekend. Goggle "motorcycle bicycle carrier" and you'll get lots of results. Here's an example:
My niece text me yesterday that she is signing up for that one! Her first HM!!!! (She's the one I'm racing with at Dirty Girl) Very cool! I'll try to make it up to the Dirty Girl to meet her and cheer you both on. Zion will be my 1st HM too. I haven't signed up yet because they're asking for an approximate time and I frankly have no idea since I've never run close to that distance. Any idea how to calculate that? We had to do that for RnRDenver too. Unfortunately I didn't anticipate the ITBS issue and set my time as 2:00 ETA: DS2 is going to check on getting permission to go to Colorado for the Octoberfest Tri. Just checked and there are only 3 spaces left. Hope he hears soon!! I was at about 9:40 mpm this weekend for the 7k. If I set my HM time at 2:10, that puts me at 9:55 mpm. Does that seem reasonable? Edited by laffinrock 2014-09-04 3:46 PM |
. I think, barring injuries, you can expect for your running to continue to get faster so anticipating the longer run maybe set it at a 10 or even 9.5/mile pace.| 2014-09-04 3:53 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by 4agoodlife Originally posted by rrrunner Well darn. Here I was starting to plan CO races Looks like I'll be staying put between Erin and all of the Texas Manatees. hmmm...Maybe the TX and AZ manatees will have to do a motorcycle meetup in NM. Wonder if they make bike racks for motorcycles? :D Hey now, I'm in CO so you can still come up this way! I'm on the Front Range, not the Western Slope, though, so that makes the trip a little farther unless I meet you in the middle. Or I could maybe come to a TX/NM/AZ meet-up. I'm also planning to do that Zion HM in March if you want to join me... And they do make bike racks for motorcycles. Funny you should mention that; TJ and I were just talking about it this past weekend. Goggle "motorcycle bicycle carrier" and you'll get lots of results. Here's an example:
My niece text me yesterday that she is signing up for that one! Her first HM!!!! (She's the one I'm racing with at Dirty Girl) Very cool! I'll try to make it up to the Dirty Girl to meet her and cheer you both on. Zion will be my 1st HM too. I haven't signed up yet because they're asking for an approximate time and I frankly have no idea since I've never run close to that distance. Any idea how to calculate that? We had to do that for RnRDenver too. Unfortunately I didn't anticipate the ITBS issue and set my time as 2:00 ETA: DS2 is going to check on getting permission to go to Colorado for the Octoberfest Tri. Just checked and there are only 3 spaces left. Hope he hears soon!! I was at about 9:40 mpm this weekend for the 7k. If I set my HM time at 2:10, that puts me at 9:55 mpm. Does that seem reasonable? That is more than reasonable because you have a lot of time between now and the race. DS2 is going to ask this afternoon so hopefully we'll get him registered tonight. |
| 2014-09-04 6:38 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 1970 Somewhere on the Tennessee River | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) You all have read about the bike/car accident that occurred in my area last week. The county I live in has no bike routes planned out and marked with "share the road' bike signs. In the last day or so I have seen three separate instances of bike mounted on the road size. Don't know if there are intended to honor Jamie or Mannon, but they seem to be getting the message out. I have a spare beater bike and it will go up in a strategic location somewhere on the known main bike routes that the athletes in my part of the county use. Might have to visit the used bike shop in Florence and see if I can score a few more.
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| 2014-09-04 9:53 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) |
| 2014-09-04 9:59 PM in reply to: MadMathemagician |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by MadMathemagician You all have read about the bike/car accident that occurred in my area last week. The county I live in has no bike routes planned out and marked with "share the road' bike signs. In the last day or so I have seen three separate instances of bike mounted on the road size. Don't know if there are intended to honor Jamie or Mannon, but they seem to be getting the message out. I have a spare beater bike and it will go up in a strategic location somewhere on the known main bike routes that the athletes in my part of the county use. Might have to visit the used bike shop in Florence and see if I can score a few more. Heartbreaking and beautiful all at once. Please do. |
| 2014-09-05 6:33 AM in reply to: MadMathemagician |
Member 2098 Simsbury, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by MadMathemagician You all have read about the bike/car accident that occurred in my area last week. The county I live in has no bike routes planned out and marked with "share the road' bike signs. In the last day or so I have seen three separate instances of bike mounted on the road size. Don't know if there are intended to honor Jamie or Mannon, but they seem to be getting the message out. I have a spare beater bike and it will go up in a strategic location somewhere on the known main bike routes that the athletes in my part of the county use. Might have to visit the used bike shop in Florence and see if I can score a few more.
Around here, when a cyclist is hit and killed the GHOST bike shows up at the site. It's a a bike that's been painted white. http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-21/news/hc-ed-ghost-bikes-20111... So scary - I hate hearing about these incidents  |
| 2014-09-05 8:11 AM in reply to: mtnbikerchk |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by mtnbikerchk Originally posted by MadMathemagician Around here, when a cyclist is hit and killed the GHOST bike shows up at the site. It's a a bike that's been painted white. http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-21/news/hc-ed-ghost-bikes-20111... So scary - I hate hearing about these incidents You all have read about the bike/car accident that occurred in my area last week. The county I live in has no bike routes planned out and marked with "share the road' bike signs. In the last day or so I have seen three separate instances of bike mounted on the road size. Don't know if there are intended to honor Jamie or Mannon, but they seem to be getting the message out. I have a spare beater bike and it will go up in a strategic location somewhere on the known main bike routes that the athletes in my part of the county use. Might have to visit the used bike shop in Florence and see if I can score a few more. And this is why I ride on bike trails and the trainer. |
| 2014-09-05 8:36 AM in reply to: ponderingfox |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by mtnbikerchk Originally posted by MadMathemagician Around here, when a cyclist is hit and killed the GHOST bike shows up at the site. It's a a bike that's been painted white. http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-21/news/hc-ed-ghost-bikes-20111... So scary - I hate hearing about these incidents You all have read about the bike/car accident that occurred in my area last week. The county I live in has no bike routes planned out and marked with "share the road' bike signs. In the last day or so I have seen three separate instances of bike mounted on the road size. Don't know if there are intended to honor Jamie or Mannon, but they seem to be getting the message out. I have a spare beater bike and it will go up in a strategic location somewhere on the known main bike routes that the athletes in my part of the county use. Might have to visit the used bike shop in Florence and see if I can score a few more. And this is why I ride on bike trails and the trainer. Same here. Especially weekdays. I want no part of that traffic. |
| 2014-09-05 9:12 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by mtnbikerchk Originally posted by MadMathemagician Around here, when a cyclist is hit and killed the GHOST bike shows up at the site. It's a a bike that's been painted white. http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-21/news/hc-ed-ghost-bikes-20111... So scary - I hate hearing about these incidents You all have read about the bike/car accident that occurred in my area last week. The county I live in has no bike routes planned out and marked with "share the road' bike signs. In the last day or so I have seen three separate instances of bike mounted on the road size. Don't know if there are intended to honor Jamie or Mannon, but they seem to be getting the message out. I have a spare beater bike and it will go up in a strategic location somewhere on the known main bike routes that the athletes in my part of the county use. Might have to visit the used bike shop in Florence and see if I can score a few more. And this is why I ride on bike trails and the trainer. Same here. Especially weekdays. I want no part of that traffic. Weekdays = trainer. When I'm on the road it is Sunday morning in a lightly traveled area. |
| 2014-09-05 9:20 AM in reply to: amd723 |
Veteran 1100 Dayton | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by amd723 Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by ponderingfox Originally posted by mtnbikerchk Originally posted by MadMathemagician Around here, when a cyclist is hit and killed the GHOST bike shows up at the site. It's a a bike that's been painted white. http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-21/news/hc-ed-ghost-bikes-20111... So scary - I hate hearing about these incidents You all have read about the bike/car accident that occurred in my area last week. The county I live in has no bike routes planned out and marked with "share the road' bike signs. In the last day or so I have seen three separate instances of bike mounted on the road size. Don't know if there are intended to honor Jamie or Mannon, but they seem to be getting the message out. I have a spare beater bike and it will go up in a strategic location somewhere on the known main bike routes that the athletes in my part of the county use. Might have to visit the used bike shop in Florence and see if I can score a few more. And this is why I ride on bike trails and the trainer. Same here. Especially weekdays. I want no part of that traffic. Weekdays = trainer. When I'm on the road it is Sunday morning in a lightly traveled area. Pretty much. On the weekdays it's just simpler not to have to deal with travel time, and to just jump on the trainer and get a workout done. But long Sunday rides on a trainer aren't as much fun when it's nice enough to get outside. |
| 2014-09-05 9:43 AM in reply to: cdban66 |
Member 2098 Simsbury, Connecticut | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by cdban66 Originally posted by jmkizer OK, this is something that's been bugging me for the past week. When is it OK for a church or other organization to demand a course change to an event? Background: Earlier this year was the inaugural Rock n Roll Raleigh. The event has a 5 year contract and an approved course. The event was a Sunday event and it happened to fall on Palm Sunday. The churches downtown were pretty bent out of shape about it. The course was modified some for the 2014 event and will be modified a bit more for 2015. The sponsor is the Raleigh Chamber of Commerce and part of the point was to get people downtown. Fast forward to the inaugural Ironman Chattanooga. The event had an approved course with permits and all that jazz. One month before the event someone got bent out of shape about it and the bike course was modified to be 116 miles instead of 112. My suspicion, which is probably biased by the RnR Raleigh on Palm Sunday situation, is that the “big Baptist Church” complained and forced the course change. Someone who did some recon posted the following: “... the left turn on Old Chattanooga Valley Road would be VERY hairy, plus all the colliding traffic from the big Baptist church, whose services are smack in the middle of 5,000 streaming cyclists (2,500 x 2 laps) are prescriptions for disaster IMHO."
To answer your question directly, I would have to say "Never". Demand is a strong word, especially for a church. I can only tell you that our church would welcome the opportunity to have 2500 racers + family and friends in the vicinity of our property. Then again the church council president races these types of things, so we'd be biased. IMHO, I can see changing the course for the safety of all involved. But, all of this ought to have been squared away when the permiting and such was originally put into action. I mean, who plans a 2500 person race passing a "big" church parking lot on a sunday morning? I'd love to see the contracts, permits and other documentation that went into the entire process, if only to get a good idea of the cluster that goes into this sort of thing. I can only imagine the bureaucratic BS that had to happen to get this type of thing changed.
I really have no idea what is involved in getting courses approved and I'm sure it varies by city/town but I would think it's public record. Is there some type of town committee that approves it? Maybe THAT is the time for people to voice their concerns. Once it's approved I say no changes unless it's for the safety of the participants! |
| 2014-09-05 10:17 AM in reply to: mtnbikerchk |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) silly question here, but how do you add someone as a "friend"??? |
| 2014-09-05 10:29 AM in reply to: amd723 |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by amd723 silly question here, but how do you add someone as a "friend"??? Simplest is probably to click their name/pic and select "Add to Friends" from the popup. |
| 2014-09-05 10:34 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by amd723 silly question here, but how do you add someone as a "friend"??? Simplest is probably to click their name/pic and select "Add to Friends" from the popup. Thanks! |
| 2014-09-05 1:20 PM in reply to: mtnbikerchk |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by mtnbikerchk Originally posted by MadMathemagician Around here, when a cyclist is hit and killed the GHOST bike shows up at the site. It's a a bike that's been painted white. http://articles.courant.com/2011-12-21/news/hc-ed-ghost-bikes-20111... So scary - I hate hearing about these incidents You all have read about the bike/car accident that occurred in my area last week. The county I live in has no bike routes planned out and marked with "share the road' bike signs. In the last day or so I have seen three separate instances of bike mounted on the road size. Don't know if there are intended to honor Jamie or Mannon, but they seem to be getting the message out. I have a spare beater bike and it will go up in a strategic location somewhere on the known main bike routes that the athletes in my part of the county use. Might have to visit the used bike shop in Florence and see if I can score a few more. The GHOST bike idea is really beautiful. We have lots of memorials around here for pedestrians hit by cars and some for cyclists but they don't differentiate. People can also purchase "Please drive carefully. In memory of _____" signs. They're often kept decorated with silk flowers. I like the idea of the bike memorials as well as the "bike awareness" ones. I might see if I can find a cheapo to put along the route I ride to honor the couple of people that got hit. They weren't killed but they were seriously injured because the driver turned right in front of them. Literally - he turned right after passing them and one of the bikes ended up under the passenger side front tire. |
| 2014-09-05 6:18 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by jmkizer Gooooooo-ooooo-oo-o Manatees! (finally my name's back) May there be no drowniness, crashiness, or trippiness...and certainly no deathiness. Racing Manatees! A listing of Manatee Races, Rides and Runs and other events  |
| 2014-09-05 10:13 PM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Wow. This is going to be a trial by mud first race for me. Just checked in. Wish I could post a pic of what road and start areas look like after two hours of downpour. I wasn't nervous....am now. :0 |
| 2014-09-05 10:21 PM in reply to: #5032558 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) You got this! Go have fun! |
| 2014-09-06 12:57 AM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Regular 980 Caerphilly, Wales, uk. | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by 4agoodlife Wow. This is going to be a trial by mud first race for me. Just checked in. Wish I could post a pic of what road and start areas look like after two hours of downpour. I wasn't nervous....am now. :0 Enjoy your race Erin. Stay safe. |
| 2014-09-06 12:59 AM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Regular 980 Caerphilly, Wales, uk. | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by jmkizer Racing Manatees! A listing of Manatee Races, Rides and Runs and other events I hope all you other racers have a great time too. Enjoy it :-) (image.jpg) Attachments ---------------- image.jpg (41KB - 5 downloads) |
| 2014-09-06 3:04 AM in reply to: 4agoodlife |
Master 7712 Orlando | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Originally posted by 4agoodlife Wow. This is going to be a trial by mud first race for me. Just checked in. Wish I could post a pic of what road and start areas look like after two hours of downpour. I wasn't nervous....am now. :0 stupid hurricane! take it easy, stay safe and have fun!! |
| 2014-09-06 6:18 PM in reply to: amd723 |
Royal(PITA) 14270 West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) Sniff ??. I don't see my name on the racing Manatee list. I did a 5 K this morning and placed 7/24 in my AG. Placed 61 overall |
| 2014-09-06 10:11 PM in reply to: QueenZipp |
Master 3870 | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) I don't even know how to begin. The nitty gritty...my partner broke his chain on his second loop and ran his bike 15 miles back so we didn't dnf, I got sun-blinded and crashed on last half of course. Oh, and I'll be seeing about fixing my two front teeth that didn't want to stay put after hitting a rock (s). But I finished |
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