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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-17 9:19 PMSo I got offered a number in next weekend's Wallis Sands half marathon.  It was in my plans but then it sold out, and then I did Great Bay instead (TOUGH course).  I already know the answer,but what do you all think? 
You're funny ; asking us what we think like you might get any response besides Doooo Eeeeeett.

Almost wrote the answer myself...but I wanted to hear it from everyone else! Tongue out

Please note my updated race list on my log page...



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rrrunner - 2013-04-17 3:43 PM Saw this article on the Boston Globe site. I thought of Salty and the other runners when I read it.

Great article!  Thanks for sharing.

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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-17 9:19 PMSo I got offered a number in next weekend's Wallis Sands half marathon.  It was in my plans but then it sold out, and then I did Great Bay instead (TOUGH course).  I already know the answer,but what do you all think? 
You're funny ; asking us what we think like you might get any response besides Doooo Eeeeeett.

Almost wrote the answer myself...but I wanted to hear it from everyone else! Tongue out

Please note my updated race list on my log page...

No! Don't DOOOOO EEEEEEEEEET!

Good girl. Pat pat, have a biscuit.

2013-04-18 9:18 AM
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StaceyK - 2013-04-17 6:42 PM
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StaceyK - 2013-04-16 6:30 PM So if you have narrowed it down to just these 2 why don't you go back again this weekend and ride just these two and see which one you feel better on, be it because of colour or fit or both combined. I have a Giant Avail 1 which is the women's version of the Defy, being the lower model it has a mixture of Sora and Tiagra components on it. The gearing is Tiagra and while it isn't supa smooth it works well enough for this BOP girl. Maybe if I ever do a HIM I will look at upgrading, but I got to finish studying before I can't even think about that.

Come on Stacey!  That makes way too much sense!

Sounds obvious but the bike shop had neither in stock in my size (extra midget), so i could only test their slightly more exotic bigger brothers which use the same frame but different components and colour schemes.

Ultimately i do have to look at price as i will also have to add a few goodies/necessities such as trip comuter and water bottles and poss tri bars so here is the breakdown of actual cost to me including the relevent staff discount. Excluding my add ons.

Focus 2.0 SL with Ultegra           £568

Focus 3.0 SL with 105 set up     £511

Giant Defy 1 with 105 set up     £500

Giant Defy 2 with Tiagra            £400

My target was £400 but the Defy 1 is looking good value now i have them all written down like this. Who needs a water bottle anyway?

I like having the best components you can get.  I'm also curious if there is a difference between the two different frames.

While I agree with you that I'd go with 105 or Ultegra, given the choice, if the frame doesn't fit, that can only be fixed so much and if it's uncomfortable, well, you have yourself a £500 cloths rack.

Both frames are aluminum and the Focus has a carbon fork.

The Focus has an FSA Gossamer and the Giant has a Shimano R565 crankset.  Both are 50/34 (compact).

So Janyne this all just sounds like blah, blah, blah in my head - what does it all mean. And if you have a budget and that's all you can afford what do you choose if fit isn't an issue?

If both bikes fit me exactly the same and cost the same, I'd lean heavily towards the Focus.  But both are not the same geometry so likely one is more comfortable than the other.

When it comes to Shimano components of the Sora, Tiagra, 105, Ultegra variety, it's not like any of them are bad.  It's more of a good, better, best choice.  There used to be a difference when going from Sora/Tiagra to 105/Ultegra but I'm not sure that is the case any longer.  Basically, the newest stuff comes out as Shimano Dura-Ace.  After a few years, it is "demoted" to Ultegra and the new newest stuff is Dura-Ace so eventually the stuff trickles down.  That being said, I would get the 105 or better if I could afford it.

Regarding the carbon fork on the Focus -- in theory the advantage of a carbon fork (or carbon frame) is that the carbon better absorbs vibrations than aluminum.  If you are doing long rides -- like training for a full IM or you just do a ton of 100ks and 100 milers -- this should theoretically aid in recovery (basically, it will minimize any soreness).  It used to be that aluminum frames weighed a more but I don't think that's necessarily the case these days.

Finally, if I had a friend in the business, I might ask his opinion about the wheelset that comes with each bike.  Does one have better bearings than the other?  When I had my Madone and used the stock wheels, I was get left behind on downhills. When I changed to better wheels, I was passing people.  The wheels made that much of a difference.  (and we are not talking aero wheels, just regular 30mm type rims).



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jmkizer - 2013-04-18 9:18 PM

If both bikes fit me exactly the same and cost the same, I'd lean heavily towards the Focus.  But both are not the same geometry so likely one is more comfortable than the other.

When it comes to Shimano components of the Sora, Tiagra, 105, Ultegra variety, it's not like any of them are bad.  It's more of a good, better, best choice.  There used to be a difference when going from Sora/Tiagra to 105/Ultegra but I'm not sure that is the case any longer.  Basically, the newest stuff comes out as Shimano Dura-Ace.  After a few years, it is "demoted" to Ultegra and the new newest stuff is Dura-Ace so eventually the stuff trickles down.  That being said, I would get the 105 or better if I could afford it.

Regarding the carbon fork on the Focus -- in theory the advantage of a carbon fork (or carbon frame) is that the carbon better absorbs vibrations than aluminum.  If you are doing long rides -- like training for a full IM or you just do a ton of 100ks and 100 milers -- this should theoretically aid in recovery (basically, it will minimize any soreness).  It used to be that aluminum frames weighed a more but I don't think that's necessarily the case these days.

Finally, if I had a friend in the business, I might ask his opinion about the wheelset that comes with each bike.  Does one have better bearings than the other?  When I had my Madone and used the stock wheels, I was get left behind on downhills. When I changed to better wheels, I was passing people.  The wheels made that much of a difference.  (and we are not talking aero wheels, just regular 30mm type rims).

This is a most excellent post.

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StaceyK - 2013-04-17 6:42 PM

 My BIL was killed in a horrible farm accident in September and last night I found out that his son has been admitted to hospital after having a nervous breakdown, he is 30 years old. I don't know what to do to help.

Oh no! I am so sorry to hear this.  Please go and visit him if you can.  When I had someone in the hospital for that, I think that helped him to feel more normal.

{{hugs}}



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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-17 10:19 PM So I got offered a number in next weekend's Wallis Sands half marathon.  It was in my plans but then it sold out, and then I did Great Bay instead (TOUGH course).  I already know the answer,but what do you all think? 

You're all trained up and that should be enough time for recovery so DOOO EEET!

2013-04-18 9:32 AM
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ukweeble - 2013-04-18 2:27 AM

Both bikes feel nice to ride so i don't think fit is an issue. The Focus is described in the cycling magazines as 'more like an old school racer position' whereas the Giant is more of an all rounder,  but my positioning on both bikes felt similar so i don't have an obvious winner from that. I don't understand the difference in the cranksets (FSA v Shimano) and i know that the wheels can make a big difference to the quality of the set up, but again don't know which is better - Giant P-R2 double wall rims, sealed bearing hubs, DT Swiss Competition butted spokes wheelset or the Concept EX fitted to the Focus. 

The Giant  Defy 1 has been voted the best 'sub £1000 bike of the year' in Cycling Plus, which i also believe put the Focus in the test. Giant also won the overall Road bike of the year with the Defy Advanced 2 so they are on a roll at the moment.

 BTW, the shop i am buying from is http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/ please feel free to browse. Most stuff under £1000 could be put on my list.

Ask your friend about the wheels to see what he has to say.  Then ride them both again and go with your gut. 

2013-04-18 9:46 AM
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Asalzwed - 2013-04-17 6:15 PM So ... I totally spaced recording the marathon. Anyone know where I can get it? Our cable provider doesn't carry Universal Sports anymore so I can't log in on the website to re-stream.

I recorded it (as long as Dish continued showing Universal into Monday - US was 'on' over the weekend but it's not technically included in my list of available channels) but haven't had the gumption to look at it yet.  I also recorded the post-show, and I think that is what gives me chills every time I see it in my recorded events list.  I recorded it hoping that somehow, somewhere you would show up!  What were you wearing race day?

Sorry I don't have an answer to your question.  Surely it is somewhere on the internet.

2013-04-18 9:46 AM
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cdban66 - 2013-04-17 5:10 PM

rrrunner - 2013-04-17 3:43 PM Saw this article on the Boston Globe site. I thought of Salty and the other runners when I read it.

Thanks.

Great article.  Made me well up a few times, I'm such a baby sensitive soul.



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jobaxas - 2013-04-17 6:58 PM
jmkizer - 2013-04-18 5:16 AM
ukweeble - 2013-04-17 12:31 PM
jobaxas - 2013-04-17 12:25 AM

So firstly as part of the MaccaX group I got some stickers for my bike....

 

cool

Should we start referring to your bike as The Stalker?!

Funny when Macca does his podcast he says oh here's a question from Joanne Baxas our Stalker.Embarassed

Bwahahahahaha!!!



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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-17 10:34 PM
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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-17 10:19 PM So I got offered a number in next weekend's Wallis Sands half marathon.  It was in my plans but then it sold out, and then I did Great Bay instead (TOUGH course).  I already know the answer,but what do you all think? 

 DOOOO  EEEEEEIIIIIITTTT!

And there it is.  Anyone else?

DOOOOOO EEEEETTT!!!! 

DOOOOOO EEEEETTT!!!!

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amd723 - 2013-04-18 7:59 AM
ArielLIlB - 2013-04-17 9:19 PMSo I got offered a number in next weekend's Wallis Sands half marathon.  It was in my plans but then it sold out, and then I did Great Bay instead (TOUGH course).  I already know the answer,but what do you all think? 
You're funny ; asking us what we think like you might get any response besides Doooo Eeeeeett.

Almost wrote the answer myself...but I wanted to hear it from everyone else! Tongue out

Please note my updated race list on my log page...

Got it! Laughing

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I'm enjoying all of the bike talk "in case" I end up looking at bikes Laughing

I did the Boston Relief run yesterday. Here is a news clip of the event . It was an amazing evening! Seeing the running community come out in such large numbers (over 500) for an impromptu run was awesome. DS1 came with me. His first "organized" run. He got the bug. He wants to do a 5k now! We were cruising at his pace so it was a nice relaxed pace for me but my legs were still screaming, and I felt so... alive! There were several Boston runners there, some that ran this year! An amazing-inspiring-uplifting evening.

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I'm enjoying all of the bike talk "in case" I end up looking at bikes Laughing

I did the Boston Relief run yesterday. Here is a news clip of the event . It was an amazing evening! Seeing the running community come out in such large numbers (over 500) for an impromptu run was awesome. DS1 came with me. His first "organized" run. He got the bug. He wants to do a 5k now! We were cruising at his pace so it was a nice relaxed pace for me but my legs were still screaming, and I felt so... alive! There were several Boston runners there, some that ran this year! An amazing-inspiring-uplifting evening.

BIG SMILES!!!     Thanks to you and your newly-bitten DS1 for getting out there and showing support.

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jmkizer - 2013-04-18 3:18 PM
StaceyK - 2013-04-17 6:42 PM
jmkizer - 2013-04-18 3:16 AM
Artemis - 2013-04-17 2:08 PM
ukweeble - 2013-04-17 12:29 PM
jmkizer - 2013-04-16 11:56 PM

  The basic bike cost to me excluding add ons.

Focus 2.0 SL with Ultegra           £568

Focus 3.0 SL with 105 set up     £511

Giant Defy 1 with 105 set up     £500

Giant Defy 2 with Tiagra            £400

My target was £400 but the Defy 1 is looking good value now i have them all written down like this. Who needs a water bottle anyway?

I like having the best components you can get.  I'm also curious if there is a difference between the two different frames.

While I agree with you that I'd go with 105 or Ultegra, given the choice, if the frame doesn't fit, that can only be fixed so much and if it's uncomfortable, well, you have yourself a £500 cloths rack.

Both frames are aluminum and the Focus has a carbon fork.

The Focus has an FSA Gossamer and the Giant has a Shimano R565 crankset.  Both are 50/34 (compact).

So Janyne this all just sounds like blah, blah, blah in my head - what does it all mean. And if you have a budget and that's all you can afford what do you choose if fit isn't an issue?

If both bikes fit me exactly the same and cost the same, I'd lean heavily towards the Focus.  But both are not the same geometry so likely one is more comfortable than the other.

When it comes to Shimano components of the Sora, Tiagra, 105, Ultegra variety, it's not like any of them are bad.  It's more of a good, better, best choice.  There used to be a difference when going from Sora/Tiagra to 105/Ultegra but I'm not sure that is the case any longer.  Basically, the newest stuff comes out as Shimano Dura-Ace.  After a few years, it is "demoted" to Ultegra and the new newest stuff is Dura-Ace so eventually the stuff trickles down.  That being said, I would get the 105 or better if I could afford it.

Regarding the carbon fork on the Focus -- in theory the advantage of a carbon fork (or carbon frame) is that the carbon better absorbs vibrations than aluminum.  If you are doing long rides -- like training for a full IM or you just do a ton of 100ks and 100 milers -- this should theoretically aid in recovery (basically, it will minimize any soreness).  It used to be that aluminum frames weighed a more but I don't think that's necessarily the case these days.

Finally, if I had a friend in the business, I might ask his opinion about the wheelset that comes with each bike.  Does one have better bearings than the other?  When I had my Madone and used the stock wheels, I was get left behind on downhills. When I changed to better wheels, I was passing people.  The wheels made that much of a difference.  (and we are not talking aero wheels, just regular 30mm type rims).

This bit made me smile. Janyne's obviously never seen my cycle entries in my training log.Smile.

BTW they both have carbon forks and as i been reading the reviews, i have come to the opinion that the Defy 1 will be the best option for me. It's lighter (Which save me losing an extra 1/2 kilo) and I did instantly like it on my test ride. Plus it is in my beloved white! bonus!!



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StaceyK - 2013-04-17 6:42 PM

 My BIL was killed in a horrible farm accident in September and last night I found out that his son has been admitted to hospital after having a nervous breakdown, he is 30 years old. I don't know what to do to help.

Oh no! I am so sorry to hear this.  Please go and visit him if you can.  When I had someone in the hospital for that, I think that helped him to feel more normal.

{{hugs}}

This, too, is an excellent post.

It's common--and in that sense "normal"--for people to go through such things after a major loss, especially in the 6-12mo period after. That's just to say he is not weird, he is not alone, etc.

I went through such a thing--quite publicly on BT, although it was others who asked if it was okay to post about me--I was LOSING IT, as in psychotic depression 3 hospitalizations losing it--and when random strangers sent me cards and gifts and things their kids drew, it helped more than you can possibly imagine and that's how I made a lot of my "friends for life, chosen family" here.

So even if you can't visit / he's far away, sending something heartfelt (especially baked goods! ) or a phone call can make all the difference.

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ukweeble - 2013-04-18 2:36 AM Texas tradegy on our early morning news. You guys are really being hit hard right now. My thoughts are with you.

The 'good' part of all that is it happened at night and the kids weren't in the school which was apparently also hit very hard.  My heart goes out to all those who were in the blast area, so terrible. 

And don't forget the ricin-laced letters that were to sent (but intercepted) to Pres. Obama, a Mississippi senator and a Mississippi judge.  Thankfully they caught that nutjob.  Crazy week here in the US, hoping things settle down soon.



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ukweeble - 2013-04-18 10:58 AM
jmkizer - 2013-04-18 3:18 PM
StaceyK - 2013-04-17 6:42 PM
jmkizer - 2013-04-18 3:16 AM
Artemis - 2013-04-17 2:08 PM
ukweeble - 2013-04-17 12:29 PM
jmkizer - 2013-04-16 11:56 PM

  The basic bike cost to me excluding add ons.

Focus 2.0 SL with Ultegra           £568

Focus 3.0 SL with 105 set up     £511

Giant Defy 1 with 105 set up     £500

Giant Defy 2 with Tiagra            £400

My target was £400 but the Defy 1 is looking good value now i have them all written down like this. Who needs a water bottle anyway?

I like having the best components you can get.  I'm also curious if there is a difference between the two different frames.

While I agree with you that I'd go with 105 or Ultegra, given the choice, if the frame doesn't fit, that can only be fixed so much and if it's uncomfortable, well, you have yourself a £500 cloths rack.

Both frames are aluminum and the Focus has a carbon fork.

The Focus has an FSA Gossamer and the Giant has a Shimano R565 crankset.  Both are 50/34 (compact).

So Janyne this all just sounds like blah, blah, blah in my head - what does it all mean. And if you have a budget and that's all you can afford what do you choose if fit isn't an issue?

If both bikes fit me exactly the same and cost the same, I'd lean heavily towards the Focus.  But both are not the same geometry so likely one is more comfortable than the other.

When it comes to Shimano components of the Sora, Tiagra, 105, Ultegra variety, it's not like any of them are bad.  It's more of a good, better, best choice.  There used to be a difference when going from Sora/Tiagra to 105/Ultegra but I'm not sure that is the case any longer.  Basically, the newest stuff comes out as Shimano Dura-Ace.  After a few years, it is "demoted" to Ultegra and the new newest stuff is Dura-Ace so eventually the stuff trickles down.  That being said, I would get the 105 or better if I could afford it.

Regarding the carbon fork on the Focus -- in theory the advantage of a carbon fork (or carbon frame) is that the carbon better absorbs vibrations than aluminum.  If you are doing long rides -- like training for a full IM or you just do a ton of 100ks and 100 milers -- this should theoretically aid in recovery (basically, it will minimize any soreness).  It used to be that aluminum frames weighed a more but I don't think that's necessarily the case these days.

Finally, if I had a friend in the business, I might ask his opinion about the wheelset that comes with each bike.  Does one have better bearings than the other?  When I had my Madone and used the stock wheels, I was get left behind on downhills. When I changed to better wheels, I was passing people.  The wheels made that much of a difference.  (and we are not talking aero wheels, just regular 30mm type rims).

This bit made me smile. Janyne's obviously never seen my cycle entries in my training log.Smile.

BTW they both have carbon forks and as i been reading the reviews, i have come to the opinion that the Defy 1 will be the best option for me. It's lighter (Which save me losing an extra 1/2 kilo) and I did instantly like it on my test ride. Plus it is in my beloved white! bonus!!

Well, since someone threatened to enter an IM last year and has stated that he targeted at HIM for this year (still not seeing it in your upcoming races though), I thought I'd toss that in.  Wink

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jmkizer - 2013-04-18 4:05 PM
ukweeble - 2013-04-18 10:58 AM
jmkizer - 2013-04-18 3:18 PM
StaceyK - 2013-04-17 6:42 PM
jmkizer - 2013-04-18 3:16 AM
Artemis - 2013-04-17 2:08 PM
ukweeble - 2013-04-17 12:29 PM
jmkizer - 2013-04-16 11:56 PM

  The basic bike cost to me excluding add ons.

Focus 2.0 SL with Ultegra           £568

Focus 3.0 SL with 105 set up     £511

Giant Defy 1 with 105 set up     £500

Giant Defy 2 with Tiagra            £400

My target was £400 but the Defy 1 is looking good value now i have them all written down like this. Who needs a water bottle anyway?

I like having the best components you can get.  I'm also curious if there is a difference between the two different frames.

While I agree with you that I'd go with 105 or Ultegra, given the choice, if the frame doesn't fit, that can only be fixed so much and if it's uncomfortable, well, you have yourself a £500 cloths rack.

Both frames are aluminum and the Focus has a carbon fork.

The Focus has an FSA Gossamer and the Giant has a Shimano R565 crankset.  Both are 50/34 (compact).

So Janyne this all just sounds like blah, blah, blah in my head - what does it all mean. And if you have a budget and that's all you can afford what do you choose if fit isn't an issue?

If both bikes fit me exactly the same and cost the same, I'd lean heavily towards the Focus.  But both are not the same geometry so likely one is more comfortable than the other.

When it comes to Shimano components of the Sora, Tiagra, 105, Ultegra variety, it's not like any of them are bad.  It's more of a good, better, best choice.  There used to be a difference when going from Sora/Tiagra to 105/Ultegra but I'm not sure that is the case any longer.  Basically, the newest stuff comes out as Shimano Dura-Ace.  After a few years, it is "demoted" to Ultegra and the new newest stuff is Dura-Ace so eventually the stuff trickles down.  That being said, I would get the 105 or better if I could afford it.

Regarding the carbon fork on the Focus -- in theory the advantage of a carbon fork (or carbon frame) is that the carbon better absorbs vibrations than aluminum.  If you are doing long rides -- like training for a full IM or you just do a ton of 100ks and 100 milers -- this should theoretically aid in recovery (basically, it will minimize any soreness).  It used to be that aluminum frames weighed a more but I don't think that's necessarily the case these days.

Finally, if I had a friend in the business, I might ask his opinion about the wheelset that comes with each bike.  Does one have better bearings than the other?  When I had my Madone and used the stock wheels, I was get left behind on downhills. When I changed to better wheels, I was passing people.  The wheels made that much of a difference.  (and we are not talking aero wheels, just regular 30mm type rims).

This bit made me smile. Janyne's obviously never seen my cycle entries in my training log.Smile.

BTW they both have carbon forks and as i been reading the reviews, i have come to the opinion that the Defy 1 will be the best option for me. It's lighter (Which save me losing an extra 1/2 kilo) and I did instantly like it on my test ride. Plus it is in my beloved white! bonus!!

Well, since someone threatened to enter an IM last year and has stated that he targeted at HIM for this year (still not seeing it in your upcoming races though), I thought I'd toss that in.  Wink

As soon as the new bike comes i will be impressing people!              probably.

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ukweeble - 2013-04-18 6:36 PMTexas tradegy on our early morning news. You guys are really being hit hard right now. My thoughts are with you.
why is there a fertiliser plant so close to residential areas. Whatever it's pretty awful and again terrible injuries. Thoughts with those poor guys
Yep. I live in a town about the same size as West, TX. One of our major industries is a chemical company that specializes in petro/oil production and cleaning products. The owner/chemist is a certified genius. Anyway, up until about 12 years ago the lab was down town. Then it exploded and took out one side of one block. Fortunately, no one was killed, but we are a small town, so I still remember looking down the street and seeing what looked like the whole downtown area burning. The smoke was traveling directly to the grade school which was two blocks away. Evacuations. Panic. Lesson learned.

The lab is now 5 miles out of town and just the corporate offices are down town now. They still store chemicals near town, and about 3 years ago there was an explosion at the storage facility. Rocked us awake.

Anyway, we as a city try to keep ourselves safe, and the chemist saved lives on the day the lab blew up because when he walked in and saw what the mixture was doing, he ordered all techs out and began evacuation of the building. But none of us want to see one of only two international companies in our town go away. I imagine the West, TX people feel similarly.

We also have only volunteer fire fighters. Paid fighters are 30 minutes away.

Sorry, I am rambling because I am tired. It has been a rough week, no?

Look for the helpers.



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Oh! Forgot to mention that for the run yesterday I FINALLY got to try 2Toms. I'd ordered it but it didn't come in time for B2V but I was fortunate to be able to slather it on my still sore blisters and didn't feel them AT ALL for yesterday's run! Thanks for the tip!!!!!!!!!!!
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ArielLIlB - 2013-04-17 9:19 PMSo I got offered a number in next weekend's Wallis Sands half marathon.  It was in my plans but then it sold out, and then I did Great Bay instead (TOUGH course).  I already know the answer,but what do you all think? 
You're funny ; asking us what we think like you might get any response besides Doooo Eeeeeett.

Almost wrote the answer myself...but I wanted to hear it from everyone else! Tongue out

Please note my updated race list on my log page...

Got it! Laughing

awesome! See Brie, I believe we were just talking about the beauty of HMs (in that you can do them often as recovery is quick)
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Aaaand my totally random thoughts/whines/etc. for the day. The moment (You know it's gonna continue!)

I picked up a Kobo (electronic reader) in NZ and am reading Proof of Heaven. Gorgeous book, I love the geekitude/spiritude all in one and it's really helping with my sense of loss and feeling lost right now. It's about a neurosurgeon who contracted a very rare brain infection--while his brain completely shut down he had a near-death experience. Well, technically, a death experience.

I'm one of those atheists to whom God appeared personally and changed my mind. (HAHAHA just after I shared about psychotic episodes. Excellent.) That doesn't mean I don't struggle with faith. I'm pretty sure if you don't struggle with it, it's not faith; it's blind faith.

A minor-ish thing I'm struggling with right now (although it's like Chinese water torture) is that since before IMNZ ... anyway, Jim came, I caught his flu (10 days off training means it probably wasn't a cold). During the NZ trip (and until very recently), my sister had a terrible cold and chest cough--next to her on airplanes, 4-5 hour drive in a closed car to Taupo, sharing rooms and beds--etc. It just really wore on me having to constantly wash and sanitize my hands, make sure I didn't touch anything she touched, wore face masks so I wouldn't touch my nose/mouth or get spray particles, etc.

Just as she was getting better (couple weeks after my dad's funeral) my mom now has it. And she touches everything, all the time, including food (we are the WORST family for sticking our hands in everything, literally and figuratively). And it's just wearing on me to keep this level of vigilance up.

Can't afford to get sick. Don't want to get sick. Have spent the better part of the last three years now recovering and it sucks. Okay, thanks, I guess I'll stick with the vigilance then.

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TriAya - 2013-04-18 10:16 AM

Aaaand my totally random thoughts/whines/etc. for the day. The moment (You know it's gonna continue!)

I picked up a Kobo (electronic reader) in NZ and am reading Proof of Heaven. Gorgeous book, I love the geekitude/spiritude all in one and it's really helping with my sense of loss and feeling lost right now. It's about a neurosurgeon who contracted a very rare brain infection--while his brain completely shut down he had a near-death experience. Well, technically, a death experience.

I'm one of those atheists to whom God appeared personally and changed my mind. (HAHAHA just after I shared about psychotic episodes. Excellent.) That doesn't mean I don't struggle with faith. I'm pretty sure if you don't struggle with it, it's not faith; it's blind faith.

A minor-ish thing I'm struggling with right now (although it's like Chinese water torture) is that since before IMNZ ... anyway, Jim came, I caught his flu (10 days off training means it probably wasn't a cold). During the NZ trip (and until very recently), my sister had a terrible cold and chest cough--next to her on airplanes, 4-5 hour drive in a closed car to Taupo, sharing rooms and beds--etc. It just really wore on me having to constantly wash and sanitize my hands, make sure I didn't touch anything she touched, wore face masks so I wouldn't touch my nose/mouth or get spray particles, etc.

Just as she was getting better (couple weeks after my dad's funeral) my mom now has it. And she touches everything, all the time, including food (we are the WORST family for sticking our hands in everything, literally and figuratively). And it's just wearing on me to keep this level of vigilance up.

Can't afford to get sick. Don't want to get sick. Have spent the better part of the last three years now recovering and it sucks. Okay, thanks, I guess I'll stick with the vigilance then.

I somehow only focused on the sharing bed part. Sorry bout it Just kidding. I have more or less been in my own spiritual journey. I went to a private Christian school through middle school and attended a fairly conservative church (no, really!) I guess my own journey is a little opposite but perhaps we've arrived at similar places. It's definitely something I put on the back burner though, and I know I should be more diligent. And I should add that I DO struggle with it.

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