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 2012-09-26 1:25 PM in reply to: #4428520 |
Member 169  |  Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacleLeft Brain - 2012-09-26 11:58 AM mr2tony - 2012-09-26 10:57 AM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 12:34 AM I agree that dumbing down the top doesn't work for most programs but this is about education. If we can teach kids what healthy food is supposed to taste like and get them to actually, gasp, even enjoy it, then perhaps down the road society will benefit with less disease and other obesity-related health issues. I can say that when I was in high school in the late 80s and early 90s we weren't given a healthy option. It was the burger/fries/burrito etc etc etc or nothing. I think there was a salad bar but it was off in the corner and wasn't exactly what I'd call appetizing. I grew up thinking that unhealthy food was OK because that's what we ate. I now know that's not true but had to basically force myself to learn what was healhty and what wasn't. And I still am not sure I'm doing it right! burhed - 2012-09-26 12:13 AM Keep in mind who your audience is here. I assume most of us on this thread are well educated and obviously active adults. The fact that this thread keeps going show that this group is involved either with their own kids or aware of what is happening in schools. But what real percentage of people are we? I'm honestly guessing but I'm sure a large percentage of parents in public schools have never talked to their kids about healthy eating. I'm sure there are threads about parents that just use school as a daycare and really dont know what their kids are doing or eating in school. So, if there are a handful of kids who's parents need to pack extra lunch so they get through their active life style, but the greater good of the "rest" of the kids are eating healthier I'm all for it. I'm all for a nanny state when people literally don't know better (or care) AND it impacts me by having to eventually to pay for these unhealthy kids and their healthcare. It has been my experience that "dumbing down" the top in the hopes of raising the bottom never works. I hear what you are saying, I just haven't seen it work in any government "program". Kids learn by example. There is merit in cultivating and encouraging leadership by example, not mandates. We need more leaders, not more programs, and the only way to get there, in my mind, is to stop "dumbing down" the top. School lunches will not teach children to eat better. And for obese, sedentary, children it will not help them with their weight problem. Face it, kids are fatter now because they are less active. Eating a handful of carrots instead of a handful of fries isn't going to change that. The best part of programs like this are the scaled down lunches but 4 soda machines in the hallway. These programs are about money for the schools.....not nutrition. So you think there is one magic solution to help the obesity problem and making small changes where we as a society can have some impact is useless. |
| 2012-09-26 2:00 PM in reply to: #4428731 |
Pro 15655  | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle burhed - 2012-09-26 1:25 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 11:58 AM So you think there is one magic solution to help the obesity problem and making small changes where we as a society can have some impact is useless. mr2tony - 2012-09-26 10:57 AM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 12:34 AM I agree that dumbing down the top doesn't work for most programs but this is about education. If we can teach kids what healthy food is supposed to taste like and get them to actually, gasp, even enjoy it, then perhaps down the road society will benefit with less disease and other obesity-related health issues. I can say that when I was in high school in the late 80s and early 90s we weren't given a healthy option. It was the burger/fries/burrito etc etc etc or nothing. I think there was a salad bar but it was off in the corner and wasn't exactly what I'd call appetizing. I grew up thinking that unhealthy food was OK because that's what we ate. I now know that's not true but had to basically force myself to learn what was healhty and what wasn't. And I still am not sure I'm doing it right! burhed - 2012-09-26 12:13 AM Keep in mind who your audience is here. I assume most of us on this thread are well educated and obviously active adults. The fact that this thread keeps going show that this group is involved either with their own kids or aware of what is happening in schools. But what real percentage of people are we? I'm honestly guessing but I'm sure a large percentage of parents in public schools have never talked to their kids about healthy eating. I'm sure there are threads about parents that just use school as a daycare and really dont know what their kids are doing or eating in school. So, if there are a handful of kids who's parents need to pack extra lunch so they get through their active life style, but the greater good of the "rest" of the kids are eating healthier I'm all for it. I'm all for a nanny state when people literally don't know better (or care) AND it impacts me by having to eventually to pay for these unhealthy kids and their healthcare. It has been my experience that "dumbing down" the top in the hopes of raising the bottom never works. I hear what you are saying, I just haven't seen it work in any government "program". Kids learn by example. There is merit in cultivating and encouraging leadership by example, not mandates. We need more leaders, not more programs, and the only way to get there, in my mind, is to stop "dumbing down" the top. School lunches will not teach children to eat better. And for obese, sedentary, children it will not help them with their weight problem. Face it, kids are fatter now because they are less active. Eating a handful of carrots instead of a handful of fries isn't going to change that. The best part of programs like this are the scaled down lunches but 4 soda machines in the hallway. These programs are about money for the schools.....not nutrition. Not as long as you can show me where this Federally Funded program has even some impact. Like I said, even the schools don't get it, they just want the money. I asked my kids last night about soda machines and snack machines in their school.....what do you think I found out? Yeah, some impact indeed.
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| 2012-09-26 2:04 PM in reply to: #4428520 |
Champion 34263  Chicago | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle Left Brain - 2012-09-26 11:58 AM mr2tony - 2012-09-26 10:57 AM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 12:34 AM I agree that dumbing down the top doesn't work for most programs but this is about education. If we can teach kids what healthy food is supposed to taste like and get them to actually, gasp, even enjoy it, then perhaps down the road society will benefit with less disease and other obesity-related health issues. I can say that when I was in high school in the late 80s and early 90s we weren't given a healthy option. It was the burger/fries/burrito etc etc etc or nothing. I think there was a salad bar but it was off in the corner and wasn't exactly what I'd call appetizing. I grew up thinking that unhealthy food was OK because that's what we ate. I now know that's not true but had to basically force myself to learn what was healhty and what wasn't. And I still am not sure I'm doing it right! burhed - 2012-09-26 12:13 AM Keep in mind who your audience is here. I assume most of us on this thread are well educated and obviously active adults. The fact that this thread keeps going show that this group is involved either with their own kids or aware of what is happening in schools. But what real percentage of people are we? I'm honestly guessing but I'm sure a large percentage of parents in public schools have never talked to their kids about healthy eating. I'm sure there are threads about parents that just use school as a daycare and really dont know what their kids are doing or eating in school. So, if there are a handful of kids who's parents need to pack extra lunch so they get through their active life style, but the greater good of the "rest" of the kids are eating healthier I'm all for it. I'm all for a nanny state when people literally don't know better (or care) AND it impacts me by having to eventually to pay for these unhealthy kids and their healthcare. It has been my experience that "dumbing down" the top in the hopes of raising the bottom never works. I hear what you are saying, I just haven't seen it work in any government "program". Kids learn by example. There is merit in cultivating and encouraging leadership by example, not mandates. We need more leaders, not more programs, and the only way to get there, in my mind, is to stop "dumbing down" the top. School lunches will not teach children to eat better. And for obese, sedentary, children it will not help them with their weight problem. Face it, kids are fatter now because they are less active. Eating a handful of carrots instead of a handful of fries isn't going to change that. The best part of programs like this are the scaled down lunches but 4 soda machines in the hallway. These programs are about money for the schools.....not nutrition. So a healthy diet isn't part of being healthy? News to me. Yes, exercise needs to be incorporated into that but nutrition is half the battle. Or more in some cases. And if your kids have soda and snack machines in the hallway anyway, what are you complaining about? Surely they can get enough calories from there if their lunch isn't adequate. |
| 2012-09-26 2:15 PM in reply to: #4428864 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle mr2tony - 2012-09-26 2:04 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 11:58 AM So a healthy diet isn't part of being healthy? News to me. Yes, exercise needs to be incorporated into that but nutrition is half the battle. Or more in some cases. And if your kids have soda and snack machines in the hallway anyway, what are you complaining about? Surely they can get enough calories from there if their lunch isn't adequate. mr2tony - 2012-09-26 10:57 AM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 12:34 AM I agree that dumbing down the top doesn't work for most programs but this is about education. If we can teach kids what healthy food is supposed to taste like and get them to actually, gasp, even enjoy it, then perhaps down the road society will benefit with less disease and other obesity-related health issues. I can say that when I was in high school in the late 80s and early 90s we weren't given a healthy option. It was the burger/fries/burrito etc etc etc or nothing. I think there was a salad bar but it was off in the corner and wasn't exactly what I'd call appetizing. I grew up thinking that unhealthy food was OK because that's what we ate. I now know that's not true but had to basically force myself to learn what was healhty and what wasn't. And I still am not sure I'm doing it right! burhed - 2012-09-26 12:13 AM Keep in mind who your audience is here. I assume most of us on this thread are well educated and obviously active adults. The fact that this thread keeps going show that this group is involved either with their own kids or aware of what is happening in schools. But what real percentage of people are we? I'm honestly guessing but I'm sure a large percentage of parents in public schools have never talked to their kids about healthy eating. I'm sure there are threads about parents that just use school as a daycare and really dont know what their kids are doing or eating in school. So, if there are a handful of kids who's parents need to pack extra lunch so they get through their active life style, but the greater good of the "rest" of the kids are eating healthier I'm all for it. I'm all for a nanny state when people literally don't know better (or care) AND it impacts me by having to eventually to pay for these unhealthy kids and their healthcare. It has been my experience that "dumbing down" the top in the hopes of raising the bottom never works. I hear what you are saying, I just haven't seen it work in any government "program". Kids learn by example. There is merit in cultivating and encouraging leadership by example, not mandates. We need more leaders, not more programs, and the only way to get there, in my mind, is to stop "dumbing down" the top. School lunches will not teach children to eat better. And for obese, sedentary, children it will not help them with their weight problem. Face it, kids are fatter now because they are less active. Eating a handful of carrots instead of a handful of fries isn't going to change that. The best part of programs like this are the scaled down lunches but 4 soda machines in the hallway. These programs are about money for the schools.....not nutrition. My kids don't drink soda ever, and eat snack chips rarely. My kid says the machines need to be restocked almost daily.......yep they sure are learning about nutrition. C'mon, this is a stupid argument you're making. If the school is truly concerned about teaching the students about nutrition, why the junk machines? I'll tell you why....because both the Federal program and the snack machines make money for the school. Again, all I'm asking is that the schools provide more choices......if it's all about nutrition and the schools are educating the kids then we don't have to worry about the choices they make....right? Not a single kid will become less obese from this program.......it's feel good government crap. |
| 2012-09-26 4:57 PM in reply to: #4428903 |
| Member 169 | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle Left Brain - 2012-09-26 2:15 PM mr2tony - 2012-09-26 2:04 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 11:58 AM So a healthy diet isn't part of being healthy? News to me. Yes, exercise needs to be incorporated into that but nutrition is half the battle. Or more in some cases. And if your kids have soda and snack machines in the hallway anyway, what are you complaining about? Surely they can get enough calories from there if their lunch isn't adequate. mr2tony - 2012-09-26 10:57 AM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 12:34 AM I agree that dumbing down the top doesn't work for most programs but this is about education. If we can teach kids what healthy food is supposed to taste like and get them to actually, gasp, even enjoy it, then perhaps down the road society will benefit with less disease and other obesity-related health issues. I can say that when I was in high school in the late 80s and early 90s we weren't given a healthy option. It was the burger/fries/burrito etc etc etc or nothing. I think there was a salad bar but it was off in the corner and wasn't exactly what I'd call appetizing. I grew up thinking that unhealthy food was OK because that's what we ate. I now know that's not true but had to basically force myself to learn what was healhty and what wasn't. And I still am not sure I'm doing it right! burhed - 2012-09-26 12:13 AM Keep in mind who your audience is here. I assume most of us on this thread are well educated and obviously active adults. The fact that this thread keeps going show that this group is involved either with their own kids or aware of what is happening in schools. But what real percentage of people are we? I'm honestly guessing but I'm sure a large percentage of parents in public schools have never talked to their kids about healthy eating. I'm sure there are threads about parents that just use school as a daycare and really dont know what their kids are doing or eating in school. So, if there are a handful of kids who's parents need to pack extra lunch so they get through their active life style, but the greater good of the "rest" of the kids are eating healthier I'm all for it. I'm all for a nanny state when people literally don't know better (or care) AND it impacts me by having to eventually to pay for these unhealthy kids and their healthcare. It has been my experience that "dumbing down" the top in the hopes of raising the bottom never works. I hear what you are saying, I just haven't seen it work in any government "program". Kids learn by example. There is merit in cultivating and encouraging leadership by example, not mandates. We need more leaders, not more programs, and the only way to get there, in my mind, is to stop "dumbing down" the top. School lunches will not teach children to eat better. And for obese, sedentary, children it will not help them with their weight problem. Face it, kids are fatter now because they are less active. Eating a handful of carrots instead of a handful of fries isn't going to change that. The best part of programs like this are the scaled down lunches but 4 soda machines in the hallway. These programs are about money for the schools.....not nutrition. My kids don't drink soda ever, and eat snack chips rarely. My kid says the machines need to be restocked almost daily.......yep they sure are learning about nutrition. C'mon, this is a stupid argument you're making. If the school is truly concerned about teaching the students about nutrition, why the junk machines? I'll tell you why....because both the Federal program and the snack machines make money for the school. Again, all I'm asking is that the schools provide more choices......if it's all about nutrition and the schools are educating the kids then we don't have to worry about the choices they make....right? Not a single kid will become less obese from this program.......it's feel good government crap. I guess I still don't get your point. As somebody already pointed out, it's already a government program. They've taken a government program and made it better (better, meaning more nutritious). If it's crap now and it's healthier then what was it before when it was less healthy? I agree it is silly to serve this healthy meals and then have snack food vending machines down the hall. But I know lots of schools are trying to remove those. Or maybe they could remove those machines, which would take away that income, but then raise taxes to replace the income from the machines. Or maybe cut some teachers or programs that were paid for by the snack machine income. |
| 2012-09-26 9:16 PM in reply to: #4429207 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle burhed - 2012-09-26 4:57 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 2:15 PM .....it's feel good government crap I guess I still don't get your point. As somebody already pointed out, it's already a government program. They've taken a government program and made it better (better, meaning more nutritious). If it's crap now and it's healthier then what was it before when it was less healthy? I agree it is silly to serve this healthy meals and then have snack food vending machines down the hall. But I know lots of schools are trying to remove those. Or maybe they could remove those machines, which would take away that income, but then raise taxes to replace the income from the machines. Or maybe cut some teachers or programs that were paid for by the snack machine income.mr2tony - 2012-09-26 2:04 PM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 11:58 AM So a healthy diet isn't part of being healthy? News to me. Yes, exercise needs to be incorporated into that but nutrition is half the battle. Or more in some cases. And if your kids have soda and snack machines in the hallway anyway, what are you complaining about? Surely they can get enough calories from there if their lunch isn't adequate. mr2tony - 2012-09-26 10:57 AM Left Brain - 2012-09-26 12:34 AM I agree that dumbing down the top doesn't work for most programs but this is about education. If we can teach kids what healthy food is supposed to taste like and get them to actually, gasp, even enjoy it, then perhaps down the road society will benefit with less disease and other obesity-related health issues. I can say that when I was in high school in the late 80s and early 90s we weren't given a healthy option. It was the burger/fries/burrito etc etc etc or nothing. I think there was a salad bar but it was off in the corner and wasn't exactly what I'd call appetizing. I grew up thinking that unhealthy food was OK because that's what we ate. I now know that's not true but had to basically force myself to learn what was healhty and what wasn't. And I still am not sure I'm doing it right! burhed - 2012-09-26 12:13 AM Keep in mind who your audience is here. I assume most of us on this thread are well educated and obviously active adults. The fact that this thread keeps going show that this group is involved either with their own kids or aware of what is happening in schools. But what real percentage of people are we? I'm honestly guessing but I'm sure a large percentage of parents in public schools have never talked to their kids about healthy eating. I'm sure there are threads about parents that just use school as a daycare and really dont know what their kids are doing or eating in school. So, if there are a handful of kids who's parents need to pack extra lunch so they get through their active life style, but the greater good of the "rest" of the kids are eating healthier I'm all for it. I'm all for a nanny state when people literally don't know better (or care) AND it impacts me by having to eventually to pay for these unhealthy kids and their healthcare. It has been my experience that "dumbing down" the top in the hopes of raising the bottom never works. I hear what you are saying, I just haven't seen it work in any government "program". Kids learn by example. There is merit in cultivating and encouraging leadership by example, not mandates. We need more leaders, not more programs, and the only way to get there, in my mind, is to stop "dumbing down" the top. School lunches will not teach children to eat better. And for obese, sedentary, children it will not help them with their weight problem. Face it, kids are fatter now because they are less active. Eating a handful of carrots instead of a handful of fries isn't going to change that. The best part of programs like this are the scaled down lunches but 4 soda machines in the hallway. These programs are about money for the schools.....not nutrition. My kids don't drink soda ever, and eat snack chips rarely. My kid says the machines need to be restocked almost daily.......yep they sure are learning about nutrition. C'mon, this is a stupid argument you're making. If the school is truly concerned about teaching the students about nutrition, why the junk machines? I'll tell you why....because both the Federal program and the snack machines make money for the school. Again, all I'm asking is that the schools provide more choices......if it's all about nutrition and the schools are educating the kids then we don't have to worry about the choices they make....right? Not a single kid will become less obese from this program.......it's feel good government crap. Well there you go! Which do you want? You can't make people eat better....you just can't. It's a life skill, and just feeding them the food once a day won't do anything, especially if it's obvious you're not serious when you look around the school at the foods on the other end of the scale that are offered....stuff NOBODY should put in their bodies. It's a joke, and my kid can't get enough to eat from a school lunch......if I was a liberal, I'd be picketing the school because of their bias toward my fit child. |
| 2012-09-27 10:10 AM in reply to: #4427835 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle Don't worry, everyone. There's no problem this Administration can't solve. They are now developing school SNACK programs to supplement the school lunch programs. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/hungry-kids-grumble-healthy-sch... It is unclear if the government is also working on a "Keep Your Elbows Off the Table Program". |
| 2012-09-27 10:12 AM in reply to: #4430026 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 11:10 AM unclear if the government is also working on a "Keep Your Elbows Off the Table Program". That would get my vote! |
| 2012-09-27 10:13 AM in reply to: #4430026 |
Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 11:10 AM Don't worry, everyone. There's no problem this Administration can't solve. They are now developing school SNACK programs to supplement the school lunch programs. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/hungry-kids-grumble-healthy-sch... It is unclear if the government is also working on a "Keep Your Elbows Off the Table Program". Is this to be followed up by the "No Cell Phones at the Table Program"? |
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| 2012-09-27 10:30 AM in reply to: #4430067 |
| Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle AcesFull - 2012-09-27 10:24 AM The limit is something like 850 calories. I was talking to a "lunch lady" the other day, and she said that the kids are "on strike" at their school, refusing to buy lunch. The biggest issue is that the kids refuse the fruits and vegetables, then complain that they don't get enough food to eat. Not an issue at my home at all. We pack lunches for the kids every day, giving far more to the teenage boys, and they have no complaint. Not only that, but they get fruits and vegetables in their lunches, and the lunch costs far less than the crap they get at school. How about this: Kids, quit b*tching and eat your fruits and vegetables. If you don't like school lunch, bring your own d*man lunch. And parents, if you feel "taxed" by this, pack your kids lunches yourselves, save a ton of money and gain some control over your kids' diets. I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. |
| 2012-09-27 10:37 AM in reply to: #4430087 |
| Elite 4564 Boise | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 9:30 AM AcesFull - 2012-09-27 10:24 AM I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. The limit is something like 850 calories. I was talking to a "lunch lady" the other day, and she said that the kids are "on strike" at their school, refusing to buy lunch. The biggest issue is that the kids refuse the fruits and vegetables, then complain that they don't get enough food to eat. Not an issue at my home at all. We pack lunches for the kids every day, giving far more to the teenage boys, and they have no complaint. Not only that, but they get fruits and vegetables in their lunches, and the lunch costs far less than the crap they get at school. How about this: Kids, quit b*tching and eat your fruits and vegetables. If you don't like school lunch, bring your own d*man lunch. And parents, if you feel "taxed" by this, pack your kids lunches yourselves, save a ton of money and gain some control over your kids' diets.
Someone has to buy all of the crappy food the Mcdonald's, BK, Wendy's, etc. won't. Why hello Mr. Congressman, do I have a proposition for you. |
| 2012-09-27 10:39 AM in reply to: #4430067 |
| Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle AcesFull - 2012-09-27 10:24 AM The limit is something like 850 calories. I was talking to a "lunch lady" the other day, and she said that the kids are "on strike" at their school, refusing to buy lunch. The biggest issue is that the kids refuse the fruits and vegetables, then complain that they don't get enough food to eat. Not an issue at my home at all. We pack lunches for the kids every day, giving far more to the teenage boys, and they have no complaint. Not only that, but they get fruits and vegetables in their lunches, and the lunch costs far less than the crap they get at school. How about this: Kids, quit b*tching and eat your fruits and vegetables. If you don't like school lunch, bring your own d*man lunch. And parents, if you feel "taxed" by this, pack your kids lunches yourselves, save a ton of money and gain some control over your kids' diets. My kid eats the fruits and vegetables, the tray, his chair, and just wants to wash it down with a burger and fries some days. He's already swam 6000 yards before he got to school and has cross country practice after school........if fat johnny doesn't want his fruits and veggies I don't give a rip.....850 calories won't keep my kid awake past noon. I'm not going into why lunch at school fits his schedule.....it jusr does. Edited by Left Brain 2012-09-27 10:40 AM |
| 2012-09-27 10:41 AM in reply to: #4430070 |
| Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle AcesFull - 2012-09-27 10:25 AM scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:10 AM Don't worry, everyone. There's no problem this Administration can't solve. They are now developing school SNACK programs to supplement the school lunch programs. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/hungry-kids-grumble-healthy-sch... It is unclear if the government is also working on a "Keep Your Elbows Off the Table Program".
BTW, Congress approved the changes. Last I saw, Obama didn't run Congress. Vilsack said the Obama Administration is working with school districts to create snack programs and encouraging parents to pack extra food for their active students to munch on before football practice or band rehearsal. I think the administration still gets to take credit. |
| 2012-09-27 10:45 AM in reply to: #4430087 |
| Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:30 AM I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. I'd be interested in the history of this (but am too lazy to research). My guess is that today especially, there are so many kids who would literally not eat if not for school meal programs. I volunteer for a program that gives kids backpacks full of healthy/kid-friendly food on Fridays so they will have food to eat on the weekend - in the backpack it's easy to "hide" from parents and older siblings. Sadly if they get food not concealed, it's usually taken away from them at home. Imagine if this is on the weekends, what would happen on school days if they didn't have food available at school. It's a huge problem, and I'm guessing it's not limited to my community. |
| 2012-09-27 10:52 AM in reply to: #4430123 |
| Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle lisac957 - 2012-09-27 10:45 AM scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:30 AM I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. I'd be interested in the history of this (but am too lazy to research). My guess is that today especially, there are so many kids who would literally not eat if not for school meal programs. I volunteer for a program that gives kids backpacks full of healthy/kid-friendly food on Fridays so they will have food to eat on the weekend - in the backpack it's easy to "hide" from parents and older siblings. Sadly if they get food not concealed, it's usually taken away from them at home. Imagine if this is on the weekends, what would happen on school days if they didn't have food available at school. It's a huge problem, and I'm guessing it's not limited to my community. Then how did they get so fat? Either we have an obesity problem or a starvation problem....which is it? On another note.....props to you for volunteering for that program. |
| 2012-09-27 10:53 AM in reply to: #4430123 |
| Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle lisac957 - 2012-09-27 10:45 AM scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:30 AM I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. I'd be interested in the history of this (but am too lazy to research). My guess is that today especially, there are so many kids who would literally not eat if not for school meal programs. I volunteer for a program that gives kids backpacks full of healthy/kid-friendly food on Fridays so they will have food to eat on the weekend - in the backpack it's easy to "hide" from parents and older siblings. Sadly if they get food not concealed, it's usually taken away from them at home. Imagine if this is on the weekends, what would happen on school days if they didn't have food available at school. It's a huge problem, and I'm guessing it's not limited to my community. Yeah, I think for all of us here it probably wouldn't be a huge deal because we either pay for their school lunches or we'd pay for them to take their lunches. However, with the free and reduced lunch crowd that would be a new expense for a family that likely can't afford to buy their kids lunch. That would certainly cause some issues. |
| 2012-09-27 10:54 AM in reply to: #4430087 |
| Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:30 AM AcesFull - 2012-09-27 10:24 AM The limit is something like 850 calories. I was talking to a "lunch lady" the other day, and she said that the kids are "on strike" at their school, refusing to buy lunch. The biggest issue is that the kids refuse the fruits and vegetables, then complain that they don't get enough food to eat. Not an issue at my home at all. We pack lunches for the kids every day, giving far more to the teenage boys, and they have no complaint. Not only that, but they get fruits and vegetables in their lunches, and the lunch costs far less than the crap they get at school. How about this: Kids, quit b*tching and eat your fruits and vegetables. If you don't like school lunch, bring your own d*man lunch. And parents, if you feel "taxed" by this, pack your kids lunches yourselves, save a ton of money and gain some control over your kids' diets. I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. Because kids won't eat at all if there's no food offered at school. People won't pack their kids lunch. Even here, on a triathlon message board where people are more motivated than the average bear, people won't do it -- they WANT their kids to eat school lunches, they NEED their kids to eat school lunches -- so if people here won't do it, certainly the average American isn't going to get up early to make their 8-year-old a healthy meal before shipping off to school. |
| 2012-09-27 10:56 AM in reply to: #4430143 |
| Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle tuwood - 2012-09-27 10:53 AM lisac957 - 2012-09-27 10:45 AM scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:30 AM I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. I'd be interested in the history of this (but am too lazy to research). My guess is that today especially, there are so many kids who would literally not eat if not for school meal programs. I volunteer for a program that gives kids backpacks full of healthy/kid-friendly food on Fridays so they will have food to eat on the weekend - in the backpack it's easy to "hide" from parents and older siblings. Sadly if they get food not concealed, it's usually taken away from them at home. Imagine if this is on the weekends, what would happen on school days if they didn't have food available at school. It's a huge problem, and I'm guessing it's not limited to my community. Yeah, I think for all of us here it probably wouldn't be a huge deal because we either pay for their school lunches or we'd pay for them to take their lunches. However, with the free and reduced lunch crowd that would be a new expense for a family that likely can't afford to buy their kids lunch. That would certainly cause some issues. Why are we training people that government will feed their kids to begin with? This isn't a helping hand type program. It's a permanent program that says the government is responsible for feeding your kids. |
| 2012-09-27 10:57 AM in reply to: #4426307 |
| Champion 18680 Lost in the Luminiferous Aether | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle Fruits and Vegitable are not particularly calorically dense. I doubt if the kids are hungy it is from missing 100 Kcals of fruits and veggies.
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| 2012-09-27 11:16 AM in reply to: #4430152 |
| Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:56 AM tuwood - 2012-09-27 10:53 AM lisac957 - 2012-09-27 10:45 AM scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:30 AM I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. I'd be interested in the history of this (but am too lazy to research). My guess is that today especially, there are so many kids who would literally not eat if not for school meal programs. I volunteer for a program that gives kids backpacks full of healthy/kid-friendly food on Fridays so they will have food to eat on the weekend - in the backpack it's easy to "hide" from parents and older siblings. Sadly if they get food not concealed, it's usually taken away from them at home. Imagine if this is on the weekends, what would happen on school days if they didn't have food available at school. It's a huge problem, and I'm guessing it's not limited to my community. Yeah, I think for all of us here it probably wouldn't be a huge deal because we either pay for their school lunches or we'd pay for them to take their lunches. However, with the free and reduced lunch crowd that would be a new expense for a family that likely can't afford to buy their kids lunch. That would certainly cause some issues. Why are we training people that government will feed their kids to begin with? This isn't a helping hand type program. It's a permanent program that says the government is responsible for feeding your kids. School lunches started in the 1800s and just grew and grew and grew to the point where it's just how it is. I don't think we're training people as much as maintaining the status quo. I'll say it again, most Americans are too lazy to fix their kids lunch so without lunch programs, children would go hungry. That said, I agree that we should be teaching people that they should count on the government not being there. Not just in school but in life in general. And companies too. Gone are the days of the pension, social security, employer-paid benefits, etc etc etc. |
| 2012-09-27 11:18 AM in reply to: #4430152 |
| Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:56 AM tuwood - 2012-09-27 10:53 AM Why are we training people that government will feed their kids to begin with? This isn't a helping hand type program. It's a permanent program that says the government is responsible for feeding your kids. lisac957 - 2012-09-27 10:45 AM scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:30 AM I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. I'd be interested in the history of this (but am too lazy to research). My guess is that today especially, there are so many kids who would literally not eat if not for school meal programs. I volunteer for a program that gives kids backpacks full of healthy/kid-friendly food on Fridays so they will have food to eat on the weekend - in the backpack it's easy to "hide" from parents and older siblings. Sadly if they get food not concealed, it's usually taken away from them at home. Imagine if this is on the weekends, what would happen on school days if they didn't have food available at school. It's a huge problem, and I'm guessing it's not limited to my community. Yeah, I think for all of us here it probably wouldn't be a huge deal because we either pay for their school lunches or we'd pay for them to take their lunches. However, with the free and reduced lunch crowd that would be a new expense for a family that likely can't afford to buy their kids lunch. That would certainly cause some issues. That doesn't apply to everyone....I will PAY for better choices at school lunch.....for our family it's the easiest deal. I kinow, I've already heard it, we're lazy. That's ridiclulous. We look at our day and how much we have going on and make it easy on ourselves when we can. We pack enough food to eat between all of the activities. I want my kid to be able to buy a hot lunch with plenty of calories at school.....provided they are making lunches....the same as I could when Iwas a kid. If some kids need free food....I don't care...give it to them. Just don't tell me that my kid needs to eat 850 calories or less for lunch so he doesn't get fat.....he's under 7% body fat....we're good with a couple hamburgers. |
| 2012-09-27 11:18 AM in reply to: #4430141 |
| Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle Left Brain - 2012-09-27 10:52 AM lisac957 - 2012-09-27 10:45 AM scoobysdad - 2012-09-27 10:30 AM I actually somewhat agree with you here. I would probably be in favor of doing away with school lunch programs. And breakfast programs. And snack programs. I'm not quite sure why government is in the food service business to begin with. I'd be interested in the history of this (but am too lazy to research). My guess is that today especially, there are so many kids who would literally not eat if not for school meal programs. I volunteer for a program that gives kids backpacks full of healthy/kid-friendly food on Fridays so they will have food to eat on the weekend - in the backpack it's easy to "hide" from parents and older siblings. Sadly if they get food not concealed, it's usually taken away from them at home. Imagine if this is on the weekends, what would happen on school days if they didn't have food available at school. It's a huge problem, and I'm guessing it's not limited to my community. Then how did they get so fat? Either we have an obesity problem or a starvation problem....which is it? On another note.....props to you for volunteering for that program. Unhealthy offerings in the school lunch program. Which is why it was changed. Which is why people are complaining. You see, the people who make the lunch offerings can't win. Either they're villains for feeding kids fatty foods or they're villains for not offering high-calorie options. |
| 2012-09-27 11:22 AM in reply to: #4426307 |
| Veteran 1019 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Obama school lunch debacle This is not a government mandated program, schools have to actively enroll themselves in to the program. The government is saying that if you want to be reimbursed for the school lunches that you serve, then here's the guidelines you must follow. Any school can opt out whenever they want and serve whatever they please to their students. |
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