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 2013-04-26 3:46 PM in reply to: #4712818 |
Regular  1893     Las Vegas, NV |  Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck!I didn't get injured, I went back to my group classes, I missed them too much. |
| 2013-04-26 3:52 PM in reply to: #4716673 |
Champion 9407  Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! TriMyBest - 2013-04-26 5:23 PM ETA: Says one of the guys who keeps coming back to try to help her like a moth to a flame.
Yeah but the upshot is that GD threads are filled with fantastic advice. I'm sure many have been helped as a result. Shane |
| 2013-04-26 4:15 PM in reply to: #4712818 |
Master 3205 ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! A long time ago someone posted the theory that GatorDeb didn't really exist but was a fictional character created by someone on ST, to post crazy stuff on BT and then laugh as we all tried to help. I thought this was nuts at the time but following this thread has me wondering about that theory again. The, "I loved my group classes so much that I went back to them" comment is almost like poking the bear to see if it (we) will react and what we will say. It is almost impossible to believe that anyone could truly be this obstinate in the face of so many people giving pretty darn reasonable advice...... The upside is, as Shane pointed out, some really good reading and some great information about triathlon training. I can't wait for the next thread. This has been fun. Maybe a CDA recap..... |
| 2013-04-26 4:23 PM in reply to: #4716660 |
Master 1799 Houston | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! TriMyBest - 2013-04-26 3:16 PM KSH - 2013-04-26 3:38 PM LittleCat - 2013-04-26 8:41 AM My guess is that the coach is not truly a coach, but a friend who is 'coaching' her. Deb had given me her coaches information, and she in fact a "real coach". Not just a friend. But everyone's skill set and how they coach is different. I'll give her coach the benefit of a doubt here, as we don't know Deb inside/out. We don't know what her coach has to "manage" through the coaching relationship (injuries, etc.). Unless we are involved in what's going on, we don't have the whole story. So I hate to put her coach to the fire on all of this. I agree with that Karen, which is why I qualified my advice regarding the coach. However, if the information given is correct (that the coach is knowingly assigning training sessions based on what are obviously incorrect heart rate zones), then the coach is either not competent or doesn't care about her client's results. Is there another possibility besides those two or that something significant is being lost in Deb's explanation of the situation? Do you think Deb is only this way on BT? It could be a matter of the coach getting the most training possible out of the athlete based on what they are able to get the athlete to believe. |
| 2013-04-26 4:24 PM in reply to: #4716692 |
Master 3205 ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! ejshowers - 2013-04-26 4:36 PM TriMyBest - 2013-04-26 3:23 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 4:18 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 3:12 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 1:06 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 2:55 PM I think she has done wonders with what she has to work with. Building your body into that of an athlete is no easy feat. On January of last year 1600m in 1:05 was a lot, 12 miles on the bike would wipe me out, and it was all I could do to run two miles. Deb.....then what was the point of this thread? It's on the first post of this thread. OK, except that from what I've seen, you have discounted every bit of advice that has been given to you....so why bother? LB, I thought you've been around here long enough to remember some of Deb's early threads from a few years ago? They always go like this. It's just been a while since we've had one. Don't get too heavily invested in it, though, because you can end up sitting in a corner rocking back and forth arguing with yourself. ETA: Says one of the guys who keeps coming back to try to help her like a moth to a flame.
Yes, like a candle to a flame or having to stop to look at an accident, we do it even though we know better. Ahh, remembering the journey: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=237594&start=1
Went back and reviewed that thread. Ahhhhh, good times. Maybe even more convinced of the validity of that crazy theory  |
| 2013-04-26 4:44 PM in reply to: #4716742 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! NewClydesdale - 2013-04-26 5:23 PM Oh, I'm certain that's the case, but that wouldn't account for HR training when it's known the numbers are worse than worthless- they're misleading if the coach is attempting to manage training stress at all. I have my own "Deb" who I coach with some similar issues, but there's no way I'd waste my time and my client's time and money using numbers that I know are wrong. I can't even think of a scenario where it would make sense.TriMyBest - 2013-04-26 3:16 PM KSH - 2013-04-26 3:38 PM LittleCat - 2013-04-26 8:41 AM My guess is that the coach is not truly a coach, but a friend who is 'coaching' her. Deb had given me her coaches information, and she in fact a "real coach". Not just a friend. But everyone's skill set and how they coach is different. I'll give her coach the benefit of a doubt here, as we don't know Deb inside/out. We don't know what her coach has to "manage" through the coaching relationship (injuries, etc.). Unless we are involved in what's going on, we don't have the whole story. So I hate to put her coach to the fire on all of this. I agree with that Karen, which is why I qualified my advice regarding the coach. However, if the information given is correct (that the coach is knowingly assigning training sessions based on what are obviously incorrect heart rate zones), then the coach is either not competent or doesn't care about her client's results. Is there another possibility besides those two or that something significant is being lost in Deb's explanation of the situation? Do you think Deb is only this way on BT? It could be a matter of the coach getting the most training possible out of the athlete based on what they are able to get the athlete to believe. |
| 2013-04-26 5:01 PM in reply to: #4716663 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! Left Brain - 2013-04-26 3:18 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 3:12 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 1:06 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 2:55 PM I think she has done wonders with what she has to work with. Building your body into that of an athlete is no easy feat. On January of last year 1600m in 1:05 was a lot, 12 miles on the bike would wipe me out, and it was all I could do to run two miles. Deb.....then what was the point of this thread? It's on the first post of this thread. OK, except that from what I've seen, you have discounted every bit of advice that has been given to you....so why bother? Here's what I think... she just wanted to whine about not being fast... but she didn't want advice on how to get fast. Isn't that what they say differs between men and women? Women want to complain about stuff, but don't want the solutions...they just want to whine, moan and groan, and not hear how to "fix" their problems. Women want to talk about it. Men want to fix it. While I can talk all day long, I also like to try to "fix" problems. I think we all need to realize that some people don't want their problems fixed. They just want to complain. |
| 2013-04-26 5:13 PM in reply to: #4716776 |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! KSH - 2013-04-26 5:01 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 3:18 PM Here's what I think... she just wanted to whine about not being fast... but she didn't want advice on how to get fast. Isn't that what they say differs between men and women? Women want to complain about stuff, but don't want the solutions...they just want to whine, moan and groan, and not hear how to "fix" their problems. Women want to talk about it. Men want to fix it. While I can talk all day long, I also like to try to "fix" problems. I think we all need to realize that some people don't want their problems fixed. They just want to complain. GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 3:12 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 1:06 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 2:55 PM I think she has done wonders with what she has to work with. Building your body into that of an athlete is no easy feat. On January of last year 1600m in 1:05 was a lot, 12 miles on the bike would wipe me out, and it was all I could do to run two miles. Deb.....then what was the point of this thread? It's on the first post of this thread. OK, except that from what I've seen, you have discounted every bit of advice that has been given to you....so why bother? MEN WRITE THIS DOWN A WOMAN ADMITTED IT! |
| 2013-04-26 6:11 PM in reply to: #4716743 |
Master 1883 San Antone, Texas | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! wannabefaster - 2013-04-26 4:24 PM I tried, but couldn't get through the first page of that thread. Its just too much!ejshowers - 2013-04-26 4:36 PM Went back and reviewed that thread. Ahhhhh, good times. Maybe even more convinced of the validity of that crazy theory TriMyBest - 2013-04-26 3:23 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 4:18 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 3:12 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 1:06 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 2:55 PM I think she has done wonders with what she has to work with. Building your body into that of an athlete is no easy feat. On January of last year 1600m in 1:05 was a lot, 12 miles on the bike would wipe me out, and it was all I could do to run two miles. Deb.....then what was the point of this thread? It's on the first post of this thread. OK, except that from what I've seen, you have discounted every bit of advice that has been given to you....so why bother? LB, I thought you've been around here long enough to remember some of Deb's early threads from a few years ago? They always go like this. It's just been a while since we've had one. Don't get too heavily invested in it, though, because you can end up sitting in a corner rocking back and forth arguing with yourself. ETA: Says one of the guys who keeps coming back to try to help her like a moth to a flame.
Yes, like a candle to a flame or having to stop to look at an accident, we do it even though we know better. Ahh, remembering the journey: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=237594&start=1
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| 2013-04-26 6:13 PM in reply to: #4716788 |
Master 1883 San Antone, Texas | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! dmiller5 - 2013-04-26 5:13 PM Haha yes! Never thought I'd see the day this was admitted!Its true, but still makes no sense to me at all. If you don't really want help, don't ask for it!Now don't tell my wife I said that...KSH - 2013-04-26 5:01 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 3:18 PM Here's what I think... she just wanted to whine about not being fast... but she didn't want advice on how to get fast. Isn't that what they say differs between men and women? Women want to complain about stuff, but don't want the solutions...they just want to whine, moan and groan, and not hear how to "fix" their problems. Women want to talk about it. Men want to fix it. While I can talk all day long, I also like to try to "fix" problems. I think we all need to realize that some people don't want their problems fixed. They just want to complain. GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 3:12 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 1:06 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 2:55 PM I think she has done wonders with what she has to work with. Building your body into that of an athlete is no easy feat. On January of last year 1600m in 1:05 was a lot, 12 miles on the bike would wipe me out, and it was all I could do to run two miles. Deb.....then what was the point of this thread? It's on the first post of this thread. OK, except that from what I've seen, you have discounted every bit of advice that has been given to you....so why bother? MEN WRITE THIS DOWN A WOMAN ADMITTED IT! |
| 2013-04-26 6:42 PM in reply to: #4716776 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! KSH - 2013-04-26 6:01 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 3:18 PM Here's what I think... she just wanted to whine about not being fast... but she didn't want advice on how to get fast. Isn't that what they say differs between men and women? Women want to complain about stuff, but don't want the solutions...they just want to whine, moan and groan, and not hear how to "fix" their problems. Women want to talk about it. Men want to fix it. While I can talk all day long, I also like to try to "fix" problems. I think we all need to realize that some people don't want their problems fixed. They just want to complain. GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 3:12 PM Left Brain - 2013-04-26 1:06 PM GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 2:55 PM I think she has done wonders with what she has to work with. Building your body into that of an athlete is no easy feat. On January of last year 1600m in 1:05 was a lot, 12 miles on the bike would wipe me out, and it was all I could do to run two miles. Deb.....then what was the point of this thread? It's on the first post of this thread. OK, except that from what I've seen, you have discounted every bit of advice that has been given to you....so why bother? Even though my wife has told me that a number of times, trying to process it sends my male brain into a feedback loop that threatens to make my skull explode. It just doesn't compute. |
| 2013-04-26 7:14 PM in reply to: #4716707 |
| Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! gsmacleod - 2013-04-26 10:52 AM TriMyBest - 2013-04-26 5:23 PM ETA: Says one of the guys who keeps coming back to try to help her like a moth to a flame. Yeah but the upshot is that GD threads are filled with fantastic advice. I'm sure many have been helped as a result. Shane
Lots of good advice, but I think everyone who participates in the discussion should be required to wear a helmet. |
| 2013-04-26 7:26 PM in reply to: #4712818 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! I don't know that I agree with Karen's assessment of difference between men and women. It may be that GD wanted to complain and whine about her speed and didn't want to change anything. I think most who post here with questions want to learn and improve. |
| 2013-04-26 7:29 PM in reply to: #4716869 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! I remember GD's thread re: KQing |
| 2013-04-26 7:32 PM in reply to: #4716776 |
Pro 5169 Burbs | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! KSH - 2013-04-26 6:01 PM Here's what I think... she just wanted to whine about not being fast... but she didn't want advice on how to get fast. Isn't that what they say differs between men and women? Women want to complain about stuff, but don't want the solutions...they just want to whine, moan and groan, and not hear how to "fix" their problems. Women want to talk about it. Men want to fix it. While I can talk all day long, I also like to try to "fix" problems. I think we all need to realize that some people don't want their problems fixed. They just want to complain. I think that personality quirk - a 'fixer' versus a 'complainer' - is person specific. Not gender specific. |
| 2013-04-26 7:33 PM in reply to: #4716869 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! KathyG - 2013-04-26 7:26 PM I don't know that I agree with Karen's assessment of difference between men and women. It may be that GD wanted to complain and whine about her speed and didn't want to change anything. I think most who post here with questions want to learn and improve. Oh, I have heard it said many times. Women want to talk about stuff... men want to fix it. Thus, when they communicate they can sometimes butt heads. Am I that way? Not usually, but I can be. I'm typically a straight shooter. My boyfriend knows I say what I mean. No reading between the lines. When I want to vent, I just tell him I'm venting. With regards to BT... yes, MOST of the people here post because they want honest answers with suggestions for improvement. I'm certainly NOT saying that all the women who post here aren't asking for a "fix". But I think I think we have seen that GD probably just wanted to "talk" and here we are trying to "fix" it and she probably (obviously!) doesn't want it to be "fixed". |
| 2013-04-26 7:42 PM in reply to: #4712818 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! |
| 2013-04-26 8:13 PM in reply to: #4712818 |
Regular 1893 Las Vegas, NV | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! So what's on the plate next is a zones test on Tuesday. I always do them on the trainer but I'm going to take the bike out and try to live through the most miserable minutes of my life, and get accurate zones, and then spend six and a half weeks getting the bike to 14.0. Right now I can do 13.4, so it doesn't seem insurmountable. |
| 2013-04-26 8:17 PM in reply to: #4716886 |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! Oh wow... I recently read the poop on a bike post courtesy of someone who generously linked it in a post a couple weeks ago. Now this?Whatever comes of this thread, I am now a happy Matt!(and a tiny bit less a noob, but that's a different post, apparently)One. Happy. Friday.Thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!!!Matt |
| 2013-04-26 8:20 PM in reply to: #4712818 |
| Member 277 | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! I agree with Trishie here |
| 2013-04-26 8:33 PM in reply to: #4712818 |
Extreme Veteran 1136 | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! I have to admit, these threads are entertaining... |
| 2013-04-26 10:38 PM in reply to: #4716908 |
Master 1883 San Antone, Texas | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 8:13 PM So what's on the plate next is a zones test on Tuesday. I always do them on the trainer but I'm going to take the bike out and try to live through the most miserable minutes of my life, and get accurate zones, and then spend six and a half weeks getting the bike to 14.0. Right now I can do 13.4, so it doesn't seem insurmountable. Ok I'll bite (once again). "You'll stop being a newbie when you stop ignoring all the good advice you've gotten and change what you're doing that obviously isn't working" I'm really starting to believe that ST conspiracy theory, and its pretty funny. Think this thread will make it to page 10? |
| 2013-04-26 10:46 PM in reply to: #4716854 |
Master 1858 Salt Lake City | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! tri808 - 2013-04-26 5:14 PM gsmacleod - 2013-04-26 10:52 AM TriMyBest - 2013-04-26 5:23 PM ETA: Says one of the guys who keeps coming back to try to help her like a moth to a flame. Yeah but the upshot is that GD threads are filled with fantastic advice. I'm sure many have been helped as a result. Shane
Lots of good advice, but I think everyone who participates in the discussion should be required to wear a helmet. I'm wearing my aero helmet. Backwards. FWIW to all the conspiracy theorists, one of the events I did last year Deb did as well. Curiosity got the better of me and I did some detective work and dug up some race photos... She's definitely a real person. Edited by JZig 2013-04-26 10:47 PM |
| 2013-04-27 7:35 AM in reply to: #4716886 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! |
| 2013-04-27 7:38 AM in reply to: #4716908 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: 16 months, still suck! GatorDeb - 2013-04-26 8:13 PM So what's on the plate next is a zones test on Tuesday. I always do them on the trainer but I'm going to take the bike out and try to live through the most miserable minutes of my life, and get accurate zones, and then spend six and a half weeks getting the bike to 14.0. Right now I can do 13.4, so it doesn't seem insurmountable. You have to have a better attitude about suffering. There's joy in the pain and suffering. You have to see the beauty in finding that next level inside your body... that moment where you feel like your quads are going to burn off and your lungs are going to explode... and yet, you keep going... embrace it. If you don't you will never get faster. See, some people love that feeling. They seek it out. Others avoid it. You decide which one you are through your attitude. |
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